Benny Hinn

[Biblereader]

lol sheeple.... I love that one.... hehe gonna use that word from now on.. thanks :yes

Michael Savage, the talk radio host, began that word, years ago, in reference to the democrats.
The liberals.

Look up The Savage Nation.

 

[GojuBrian]

lol sheeple.... I love that one.... hehe gonna use that word from now on.. thanks :yes

Michael Savage, the talk radio host, began that word, years ago, in reference to the democrats.
The liberals.

Look up The Savage Nation.

I never knew where it originated, but he probably heard it from someone too. ;)

 

[WordSwordsman]

Yes, I want to be a "good Berean". I'll resume being one today with a comment about use of "Matthew 24:23-26 [Jesus speaking]:" as applied to Hinn's claims there will be a future physical appearance of Jesus in Kenya. I don't believe that verse prohibits an appearance prior to the period of the passage's context. Jesus was entirely speaking of the Tribulation, after Israel witnesses this part: Matthew 24:15 "When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand".

By then the Rapture has happened and Jesus is with the saints, having no reason to appear on Earth until His actual Second Coming after the Tribulation.

Jesus has made visits to men post resurrection, at least speaking in first person, as in the conversion of Saul in Acts 9. Since then there have been many personal testimonies of Christians who were convinced they both heard and saw an appearance of Jesus. I don't recall any indicating some terrible departure from the faith due to such visages. If any effect I would think such things would increase one's confidence in some frightening event, such as a missionary family in WWII being made blind to Japanese soldiers searching all around them, huddled with Jesus.

Anyway, even as there are some very interesting pre-incarnate appearances of a physical Jesus appearing as a man as to Joshua, I see no reason to suspect any others until the times arrive Jesus spoke of in Mt. 24. In those days many (primarily Jews in Israel) would of course welcome any relief, willing to follow anyone saying they are the Christ, following anyone saying they can lead to the Christ over in some cave or desert, unless convinced by scriptures not to fall for that.

I would not condemn Hinn for expecting a physical appearance of Jesus since there is not yet any biblical precedent prohibiting the possibility. John described the physical appearance of Jesus in Revelation, so we know Jesus is in the resurrected body He left with, only now glorified. We shall be like Him, in the manner described by Jesus to John. We'll enjoy no less existence than that "man" Joshua worshiped, like the Jesus who appeared to many after His resurrection.

Context!

 

[hisvessel1]

Because He has sacrificed His life so jesus could work healing miracles through Him.

Say what?? He's a false teacher\prophet. Don't you know that???

 

[graceforme]

A friend of mine attended a Benny Hinn crusade a few years ago. Benny urged everyone in the building to "max out their credit cards" to contribute to his ministry. Now, would any pastor who is not in it for the money urge folks to go into debt to support him? I don't think so.

My pastor is urging our congregation to be eliminating our debt, not increasing it. Yet, Hinn would have people increase their debt to give him money? Doesn't sound quite right to me.

God Bless.

 

[Vic C.]

My pastor is urging our congregation to be eliminating our debt, not increasing it. Yet, Hinn would have people increase their debt to give him money? Doesn't sound quite right to me.

Yes, the Bible speaks of not getting oneself into debt. :yes

 

[WordSwordsman]

I've listened to and fully understand "Word of Faith" theology since it started, and enjoy the blessings of giving however much whenever and wherever the Spirit prompts us. A preacher might put out a heavy appeal to fund some cause, then sometimes the Lord confirms, sometimes forbids.

If maxing out a credit card upsets you, then certainly don't do it. If you can't max it out and repay it before interest kicks in, you probably ought to put it away and not use it at all until you can pay it off monthly. I pay almost all my bills online using a credit card, but always make sure I have the income waiting to pay the card off within 30 days. I like the security and insulation from online abuse or in case I lose the card. Save up and set aside an amount equal to the card limit, and only use that fund for that purpose. Then, if some urgent need arises you have a cushion. We rarely need it, more likely to use that for some call like from a minister. The Lord doesn't let that happen a dollar more than ought to be. Those are sort of "loans" that God repays quickly in many ways money can't buy.

Not to offend here at all, but over the years I've noticed those who complain most about giving to ministries always have the least to spare. I chose not to live that way by being generous when the Lord says to be generous. I'm careful not to give into "bad soil" where lots of error floats around, and won't take part in funding new mega-church facilities. I just don't believe those are what God had in mind. He might not have had a TV satellite/cable ministry bills of $3 million a day "in mind" back then, but I take that to be how Jesus meant practically for the gospel to be preached in all the world. Sending out enough missionaries at a time to do that would easily cost 1000 times more daily, so that manner of outreach seems to me a bargain.

As for how much income the evangelists take home, have any of you folks that complain actually know how much they do net personally? I've seen financial statements for them, not seeing a disproportionate income from direct donations (most taking none of it), and all is subject to strict IRS viewing, seeing they have a tax issue. If they keep more than their boards and CPA corps report and accept as reasonable, then they'll end up in prison. Probably no other class of taxpayer gets audited more. Would you suppose the IRS is secretly allowing them to keep millions more? I really doubt that.

It is interesting how much they reap from sales of books and other products, though. Sometimes they dedicate the proceeds of their books to their ministry or like to Haiti relief, for example. How much did you contribute? I notice Bible publishers are still cashing in on the freely given Word from God. Have you stopped buying Bibles because of their "obscene profiting"? I can't begrudge any of them of that source of income, nor do I hate stock-holders of Exxon and other industries keeping a paltry 2-3% profit margin. There were times when it was tempting to cash out stocks in all oil industries back in the 1980s, but we stuck it out "going for broke" anyway and benefited greatly. Am I evil for letting my hard earned investment money ride for an eventual landslide profit? I could have lost all my discretionary savings needed toward retirement, having to start saving all over.

Again, without exception, the people I see complaining about others profiting from their labors typically don't hold a job by choice, or abuse whatever income they have on unhealthy habits, too many dogs, more car(s) than needed, or are simply very poor managers of money. Complainers are very often those most in love with money, finding it difficult to part with it for any reason. Our city board is on TV daily, and once a month there's the same parade of poor folks appealing to be excused from their water bill of usually around $50 a month. "God made the water, so it should be free. I will not pay it, and if you come to padlock my meter you'll have to cut my padlock, and owe me for it." So, they go cut it, put their own on, and send the folks extra bills. See what I mean? Pay your way and consider helping someone else do the same. Ministries usually deserve the money they ask for. So does the city for providing a constant clean source of water. Be ready to answer the government, and God. Hey, if you don't care to pass on some of His blessings, He can arrange to end them for you permanently. If you never have any to spare, you are under some curse according to the Bible, and He wouldn't want a dime from you. There is no blessing for a person so rich they forget God, or so poor they curse Him.

OK, that's the last I'll say here about ministries asking for some of your money. I just discovered the theology sections!

 

[graceforme]

I've listened to and fully understand "Word of Faith" theology since it started, and enjoy the blessings of giving however much whenever and wherever the Spirit prompts us. A preacher might put out a heavy appeal to fund some cause, then sometimes the Lord confirms, sometimes forbids.

If maxing out a credit card upsets you, then certainly don't do it. If you can't max it out and repay it before interest kicks in, you probably ought to put it away and not use it at all until you can pay it off monthly. I pay almost all my bills online using a credit card, but always make sure I have the income waiting to pay the card off within 30 days. I like the security and insulation from online abuse or in case I lose the card. Save up and set aside an amount equal to the card limit, and only use that fund for that purpose. Then, if some urgent need arises you have a cushion. We rarely need it, more likely to use that for some call like from a minister. The Lord doesn't let that happen a dollar more than ought to be. Those are sort of "loans" that God repays quickly in many ways money can't buy.

Not to offend here at all, but over the years I've noticed those who complain most about giving to ministries always have the least to spare. I chose not to live that way by being generous when the Lord says to be generous. I'm careful not to give into "bad soil" where lots of error floats around, and won't take part in funding new mega-church facilities. I just don't believe those are what God had in mind. He might not have had a TV satellite/cable ministry bills of $3 million a day "in mind" back then, but I take that to be how Jesus meant practically for the gospel to be preached in all the world. Sending out enough missionaries at a time to do that would easily cost 1000 times more daily, so that manner of outreach seems to me a bargain.

As for how much income the evangelists take home, have any of you folks that complain actually know how much they do net personally? I've seen financial statements for them, not seeing a disproportionate income from direct donations (most taking none of it), and all is subject to strict IRS viewing, seeing they have a tax issue. If they keep more than their boards and CPA corps report and accept as reasonable, then they'll end up in prison. Probably no other class of taxpayer gets audited more. Would you suppose the IRS is secretly allowing them to keep millions more? I really doubt that.

It is interesting how much they reap from sales of books and other products, though. Sometimes they dedicate the proceeds of their books to their ministry or like to Haiti relief, for example. How much did you contribute? I notice Bible publishers are still cashing in on the freely given Word from God. Have you stopped buying Bibles because of their "obscene profiting"? I can't begrudge any of them of that source of income, nor do I hate stock-holders of Exxon and other industries keeping a paltry 2-3% profit margin. There were times when it was tempting to cash out stocks in all oil industries back in the 1980s, but we stuck it out "going for broke" anyway and benefited greatly. Am I evil for letting my hard earned investment money ride for an eventual landslide profit? I could have lost all my discretionary savings needed toward retirement, having to start saving all over.

Again, without exception, the people I see complaining about others profiting from their labors typically don't hold a job by choice, or abuse whatever income they have on unhealthy habits, too many dogs, more car(s) than needed, or are simply very poor managers of money. Complainers are very often those most in love with money, finding it difficult to part with it for any reason. Our city board is on TV daily, and once a month there's the same parade of poor folks appealing to be excused from their water bill of usually around $50 a month. "God made the water, so it should be free. I will not pay it, and if you come to padlock my meter you'll have to cut my padlock, and owe me for it." So, they go cut it, put their own on, and send the folks extra bills. See what I mean? Pay your way and consider helping someone else do the same. Ministries usually deserve the money they ask for. So does the city for providing a constant clean source of water. Be ready to answer the government, and God. Hey, if you don't care to pass on some of His blessings, He can arrange to end them for you permanently. If you never have any to spare, you are under some curse according to the Bible, and He wouldn't want a dime from you. There is no blessing for a person so rich they forget God, or so poor they curse Him.

OK, that's the last I'll say here about ministries asking for some of your money. I just discovered the theology sections!

Wow! That's quite a mouthful. How many different ministries do you support? I'm assuming that in order to live out from under the "curse", you give to all of them who beg for more funds?

Yes, I believe in giving and giving generously. But I feel no obligation of any kind to support any ministry like Hinn's. I support MY minister and his ministry. No foolishness. No begging for more money, even if it means putting someone into deep debt.

Now, if you're so big on giving to so many ministries, I'll be happy to send along my church's address so you can contribute, therefore assuring yourself that you will continue to receive God's blessing.

And many more blessings to you.

 

[jasoncran]

not all would agree on the tithing concept that you speak of.

i dont tithe, but i have in the past. long story

if i did it agian, my home church would be supported then onto some other ministries,
definitely for gospel for asia and also some local ones that are in haiti.