Bible Study Biblical Contradictions

[Corn Pop]

It's hard to find a real contradiction because someone can say one thing and say another yet if they talking to different people and different situations its not nessesarily a contradiction.

The standard so called contradictions is like the rooster crow 2 times in one Gospel and 3 times in another, but they only eye witness so it's not a contradiction. If I went fishing and seen 2 sharks and my friend seen 3 sharks and we were asked how many sharks were there I would say 2 and my friend would say 3. No one is wrong. My witness was 2 ,there witness was 3.

 

[Christ_empowered]

good points, kiwidan. i mean...they didn't have live action footage, and the way narratives were written and shared back then were different, too...

i think sometimes we (obviously) impose our 21st century, western mindset on an ancient text of non-western origin. i know i do...but commentaries help, tremendously.

 

[Corn Pop]

Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think the earliest copies had fullstops, commas, speech marks, question marks, and so on. They have all been added so it can kick scripture out of context easy.

Like.... For many will come in My name, saying, 'I am the Christ,' and will mislead many

Original translation would be... For many will come in my name saying I am the christ and will mislead many

Obviously means many will come claiming to represent Jesus and saying Jesus is Lord and Saviour while misleading there church members with false docrines and gospels like is infested in many so called churches now.

Decption is high, it's even been added to try mislead people. A crooked teacher will be telling his church people claiming to be the messiah will come and try mislead them when they are really the misleader asking for compulsory tithes while doing fake miracles .

 

[Christ_empowered]

im drawing a big "?" on that one.

i know that the "address" system is fairly recent, and much more popular in Protestant circles than in the RCC...

and you're right, false doctrine is a big deal right now. it also seems...lucrative, which I think lines up with selling fake "Jesus" to people who won't entertain sound doctrine.

I think your interpretation has merit, personally...because it makes a lot of sense to me, from what I've seen, just in my lil corner of "The Bible Belt." I mean...people are people, and no people are perfect, but...

-blah- it astounds me how many "Christians" vote GOP, 110% of the time, talk about "conservative values..."

and end up in rehab.

I mean, I've been in rehab (before Jesus), etc...but I never voted GOP, I've never even pretended to believe in "conservative values," etc. Its about consistency.

on the liberal end...I --love-- helping other and of course I believe that Christians should extend extra compassion to the least of these, but why can't it be OK to feed the hungry and work towards housing for the homeless while still drawing a line against, say, actively homosexual lifestyles and the deconstruction of gender? and why is it that Protestant churches seem to be divided up more along lifestyle, outlook, and demographics than on meaningful differences of opinion? its almost as if...

have $$$, in corporate world=Southern Baptist; have $$$, well educated=Presbyterian; below middle class=Pentecostal; have $$$ believe in miracles=non-denominational, Pentecostal-flavored....

maybe the RCC seems better, but here where I live, there's RCC churches for the poor and/or non-white, then the lily white rich people church about 7 miles away....

-sigh- oh well. Maybe I'll find a Bible study group locally, outside of a church...

i dunno.

 

[Corn Pop]

-sigh- oh well. Maybe I'll find a Bible study group locally, outside of a church...

i dunno.

I think a small bible study group is good, I'm sure there are sound teachers out there but in most churches , especially bigger ones, I don't think people really get a chance to talk with or question the head leader, so if they make a error everyone walks out with that error, it could be intentional or unintentional, I mean, in church you cannot put your hand up and ask questions or call out errors and discuss anything. Or maybe they can but people are too afraid that's why no one does it, or people are just brainwashed.

 

[Corn Pop]

The truth is good.

 

[Corn Pop]

on the liberal end...I --love-- helping other and of course I believe that Christians should extend extra compassion to the least of these, but why can't it be OK to feed the hungry and work towards housing for the homeless

Jesus said you will always have the poor with you. There is no point in fighting against his words. There will always be the poor it's just the way it is, some people have more than others, it's just many people are scrooge and don't give to charity(real charity not charities with employees on fat salaries where the poor get the crumbs), so it doesn't flow like it could. A system of giving everyone free food and housing doesn't work. All it does is drag everyone down, except the super elites and rulers of course, they all talk about "eliminating poverty" but won't give there billions to the poor and set an example. As Jesus said to the rich man, sell everything you have and give it to the poor then follow me.

 

[Christ_empowered]

without a safety net, most people get messed over by capitalism. look at the 19th century. now, we're back in a situation where the wealth is flowing upwards while most people are struggling...

here in the US, we needed another New Deal back when Obama was President. The corporations go their bailout, most people got nothing. and...

New Deal-type regulations and the safety net help save capitalism...from itself. without regulations, without a safety net, capitalism=wage slavery and misery for most people. here in the US, we had a solid...4, 5 decades of well-regulated capitalism, a safety net, upward mobility, progressive taxation....

all of which reached its height in the 50s-mid 60s. now, its like...neoliberalism, neoconservatism...hyper-individualism...shredding the safety net...its every man for himself. honestly, every woman for herself, too, especially since no fault divorce is the law of the land now.

oh, and the endless wars the us insists on. just....just imagine if that $$$ went to the people of the US...

where would we be, as a nation, as a society?

 

[Corn Pop]

If everyone gave a bit it would flow better and like it should but many who can are scrooge.

I have nothing against helping other people but people also will always abuse a welfare system expecting others to work for and fund there lifestyle.

 

[Corn Pop]

Everyone is in different situations. Nothing is perfect.

 

[JohnDB]

FWIW,

The often overlooked notion is that there were several "messiah's" running around before and after Jesus. Most of the other messiah's had supposedly performed miracles too...but they had done them just like Benny Hinn. (On a stage with thousands in audience and the certainty of those miracles was always in question)

All of these other "messiah's" were much more popular than Jesus... with thousands of followers when things got tough. (Jesus had 200+). Those messiah's all met their end (along with their followers) at the hands of the Roman Army who slaughtered them because of their refusal to pay taxes.
These are mentioned in the book of Acts and in Josephus.

Jesus, the Real Messiah, was the least popular of all the messiahs. (Go figure) and the miracles performed were also very real...no suspicion whatsoever because usually everyone knew the person who was healed. IE the crazy guy living at the cemetery, the blind beggar at the square, the crippled old woman who always is in the way, the leppers at the gates of the city, the guy who hangs out at the pool, and etc. These who were healed were well known to everyone in the community...they weren't strangers.
When Jesus talked about eating flesh and drinking blood his popularity died... again. When Jesus visited the Samaritan villages his popularity died again.
When Jesus slammed the popular Pharisees with condemning speeches his popularity died.
When Jesus told people they need to "give until Caesar what is Caesar's and God what is God's" meaning that they should pay their taxes his popularity died again. (Jews hated the Romans)

Jesus was much more popular after his resurrection and ascention into Heaven than when he was on Earth walking and talking.

 

[JohnDB]

Didn't Jesus also tell the cured man not to tell anyone because it wasn't Jesus' time yet and He knew this would get Him into trouble with the ruling powers...the Sanhedrin.

Later on in His ministry Jesus did tell a cured person to go and tell his Rabbi.

I seem to remember that timing had a lot to do with this.
He had to finish His ministry.
At the Wedding at Cana Jesus said His time had not come yet.
His time to go to the cross....

Leppers had to be inspected by the Priests (by Law of the Torah) to be allowed back into society. Jesus never had anyone break a Law.
Jesus at Cana wedding was speaking more metaphorically than anything else.
The symbolism being water (the Law of the Torah) and wine (joy/happiness)
The only person Jesus ever shied away from was Herod (same one who killed John the Baptist) . Jesus stayed as far away from him as possible. The Sanhidrin... Jesus didn't care. His time on ministry tours was going to be short...3½ years in a non-motorized and non televised society is very short. (Mass media speeds things up so much)

 

[OzSpen]

FWIW,

The often overlooked notion is that there were several "messiah's" running around before and after Jesus. Most of the other messiah's had supposedly performed miracles too...but they had done them just like Benny Hinn. (On a stage with thousands in audience and the certainty of those miracles was always in question)

All of these other "messiah's" were much more popular than Jesus... with thousands of followers when things got tough. (Jesus had 200+). Those messiah's all met their end (along with their followers) at the hands of the Roman Army who slaughtered them because of their refusal to pay taxes.
These are mentioned in the book of Acts and in Josephus.

Jesus, the Real Messiah, was the least popular of all the messiahs. (Go figure) and the miracles performed were also very real...no suspicion whatsoever because usually everyone knew the person who was healed. IE the crazy guy living at the cemetery, the blind beggar at the square, the crippled old woman who always is in the way, the leppers at the gates of the city, the guy who hangs out at the pool, and etc. These who were healed were well known to everyone in the community...they weren't strangers.
When Jesus talked about eating flesh and drinking blood his popularity died... again. When Jesus visited the Samaritan villages his popularity died again.
When Jesus slammed the popular Pharisees with condemning speeches his popularity died.
When Jesus told people they need to "give until Caesar what is Caesar's and God what is God's" meaning that they should pay their taxes his popularity died again. (Jews hated the Romans)

Jesus was much more popular after his resurrection and ascention into Heaven than when he was on Earth walking and talking.

JohnDB,

Counterfeits! A Study of Israel's False Messiahs examines 3 of them mentioned in the NT.

One of the signs preceding Jesus' second coming will be,

3 As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. “Tell us,” they said, “when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?”
4 Jesus answered: “Watch out that no one deceives you. 5 For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am the Messiah,’ and will deceive many (Matt 24:3-5 NIV).​

Are there any people claiming to be messiahs today, who are false messiahs, engaging in proclamation?

Oz

 

[ezra]

Are there any people claiming to be messiahs today, who are false messiahs, engaging in proclamation?

i would say more in the line of false teachers/ tares .the world is semi religious in name. a form of Godliness but deny the power there of

 

[JohnDB]

Are there any people claiming to be messiahs today, who are false messiahs, engaging in proclamation?

What's sad is that there have been so many for so long that it's no longer newsworthy and we simply don't hear about them anymore.

Something like 60-80 new messiahs every year.

 

[HeIsRisen2018]

What's sad is that there have been so many for so long that it's no longer newsworthy and we simply don't hear about them anymore.

Something like 60-80 new messiahs every year.

If it isn't newsworthy anymore than how do you know about it? I've never heard about it before for the record.

 

[HeIsRisen2018]

I have yet another question and it has to do with when Jesus was disowning His mother and brothers. Now I know for a fact that Mary was a believer, otherwise God wouldn't have chosen her to be His mother. I can't remember about His siblings but I at least know that some of them were unbelievers. However, isn't Jesus contradicting the "Honor Thy Mother and Thy Father" commandment? (Yes I know Joseph wasn't His true father but that's not the point.) And the fact that we're all supposed to love each other? I get the point that He was trying to make but still.

 

[ezra]

I have yet another question and it has to do with when Jesus was disowning His mother and brothers. Now I know for a fact that Mary was a believer, otherwise God wouldn't have chosen her to be His mother. I can't remember about His siblings but I at least know that some of them were unbelievers. However, isn't Jesus contradicting the "Honor Thy Mother and Thy Father" commandment? (Yes I know Joseph wasn't His true father but that's not the point.) And the fact that we're all supposed to love each other? I get the point that He was trying to make but still.

he never disowned his family what scriptures are you talking about?

 

[HeIsRisen2018]

he never disowned his family what scriptures are you talking about?

These ones. Matthew 12:46-50 Although I get what it's saying I interpreted it to mean that Mary really wasn't His mother to Him and His brothers weren't His brothers.

 

[OzSpen]

What's sad is that there have been so many for so long that it's no longer newsworthy and we simply don't hear about them anymore.

Something like 60-80 new messiahs every year.

John,

Wikipedia gives a list of people who claim to be messiahs, up to the present. See: List of messiah claimants.

National Geographic invites us to 'Meet Five Men Who All Think They’re the Messiah'.

news.com.au wrote at Christmas 2017 of Seven men around the world who each claim to be Jesus Christ.

National Geographic is a significant source of public information. news.com.au (News Corp) is a large mass media organisation in Australia.

Oz