[_ Old Earth _] Big Bang and evolution as viewed by creationists.

[Barbarian]

Barbarian observes:
Nope. No sign of a global flood

Yep, there is evidence.

Whenever I ask someone to post some, they decline to do it.

Actually the bible talks about a global catastrope not a local one...

I know you want to believe that, but it doesn't say that.

The "windows of heaven" are not figuritive any more than the "fountains of the deep" are figuritive.

I assure you there are no windows in the sky through which rain falls from the "waters above." I promise.

You are wrong and that is that...

Well, I'd sure like to see those windows. And since "eretz" is used to describe the land of Israel, it obviously does not mean "global."

You believe what ever you want...

That's what got you where you are. I will go with Scripture, even if it doesn't happen to meet my preferences.

I am too busy elsewhere to debate this right now...

No problem.

I suggest you go to the following links...

Sorry, if you can't explain the argument, you probably don't understand it.

At any rate, I've been through those sites, and I've caught too many dishonesties to give them much credence.

If you can come up with some evidence for a global flood when you have more time, I'm sure people would like to see it.

 

[bibleberean]

Barbarian,

I haven't seen any evidence from you either but that is okay. You can live with it...

 

[Barbarian]

I've shown you that the "little grand canyon" at Mt. St Helens is nothing of the sort.

I've pointed out why Austin's "dating" of recent lava flows was designed to fail, and how he did it.

I've shown you that it's impossible to cut the Grand Canyon in a sudden rush of water.

What more do you need?

 

[Vanaka]

I think the big bang theory is bunch of rubbish

its simple logic that says that if a balloon pops you dont get a rock...much less a universe

on a bigger scale:

a necular plant goes boom you dont get a mountan...much less a universe,infact the most you get is a uninhabital area....


and to make things better,the things that go boom/pop are non-exsistant :roll:

 

[Vanaka]

I think the big bang theory is bunch of rubbish

its simple logic that says that if a balloon pops you dont get a rock...much less a universe

on a bigger scale:

a necular plant goes boom you dont get a mountan...much less a universe,infact the most you get is a uninhabital area....


and to make things better,the things that go boom/pop are non-exsistant :roll:


and barbarian...its a huge world wide flood.....the earth was falling apart(God was holding it together)....a large chasem is no problem :roll:

 

[Quath]

its simple logic that says that if a balloon pops you dont get a rock...much less a universe

I don't think anyone is advocating that the Big Bang is like a balloon.

a necular plant goes boom you dont get a mountan...much less a universe,infact the most you get is a uninhabital area....

This is not similar to the Big Bang either.

The Big Bang is the event where space/time and matter/energy are created. Currently it looks as if the whole 3-D spatial universe was created at once and goes to infiniy. It was completely filled with highly condensed energy. It was so hot and compressed that atoms couldn't even form. The universe expands over time and is still expanding. As it expands, it cools down. As it cools down atoms can form and then stars and so on.

The Big Bang is not an explosion like many people thing. It is the creation of the universe everywhere when time started. It has no analogy since it involved the creation of matter and we only observe the changing of matter and energy.

One of the predictions of the Big Bang was the microwave background radiation that shows that the universal temperature is about 3 Kelvin. This has been verified so well, that if God had created the Universe 6,000 years ago, then He would have had to do it in a way that made it look like it was billions of years old. Why would God want to be so tricky as to hide evidence of His work?

Quath

 

[Vanaka]

its simple logic that says that if a balloon pops you dont get a rock...much less a universe

I don't think anyone is advocating that the Big Bang is like a balloon.

a necular plant goes boom you dont get a mountan...much less a universe,infact the most you get is a uninhabital area....

This is not similar to the Big Bang either.

The Big Bang is the event where space/time and matter/energy are created. Currently it looks as if the whole 3-D spatial universe was created at once and goes to infiniy. It was completely filled with highly condensed energy. It was so hot and compressed that atoms couldn't even form. The universe expands over time and is still expanding. As it expands, it cools down. As it cools down atoms can form and then stars and so on.

The Big Bang is not an explosion like many people thing. It is the creation of the universe everywhere when time started. It has no analogy since it involved the creation of matter and we only observe the changing of matter and energy.

One of the predictions of the Big Bang was the microwave background radiation that shows that the universal temperature is about 3 Kelvin. This has been verified so well, that if God had created the Universe 6,000 years ago, then He would have had to do it in a way that made it look like it was billions of years old. Why would God want to be so tricky as to hide evidence of His work?

Quath

do you have any evidence for that at all?
not just a stupid idea a 3-year old could come up with and is full of gaps?

BTW he never hid what he did,just look at your own thumb to see his handy work 8-)

 

[Vanaka]

its simple logic that says that if a balloon pops you dont get a rock...much less a universe

I don't think anyone is advocating that the Big Bang is like a balloon.

a necular plant goes boom you dont get a mountan...much less a universe,infact the most you get is a uninhabital area....

This is not similar to the Big Bang either.

The Big Bang is the event where space/time and matter/energy are created. Currently it looks as if the whole 3-D spatial universe was created at once and goes to infiniy. It was completely filled with highly condensed energy. It was so hot and compressed that atoms couldn't even form. The universe expands over time and is still expanding. As it expands, it cools down. As it cools down atoms can form and then stars and so on.

The Big Bang is not an explosion like many people thing. It is the creation of the universe everywhere when time started. It has no analogy since it involved the creation of matter and we only observe the changing of matter and energy.

One of the predictions of the Big Bang was the microwave background radiation that shows that the universal temperature is about 3 Kelvin. This has been verified so well, that if God had created the Universe 6,000 years ago, then He would have had to do it in a way that made it look like it was billions of years old. Why would God want to be so tricky as to hide evidence of His work?

Quath

do you have any evidence for that at all?
not just a stupid idea a 3-year old could come up with and is full of gaps?

BTW he never hid what he did,just look at your own thumb to see his handy work 8-)

 

[Vanaka]

its simple logic that says that if a balloon pops you dont get a rock...much less a universe

I don't think anyone is advocating that the Big Bang is like a balloon.

a necular plant goes boom you dont get a mountan...much less a universe,infact the most you get is a uninhabital area....

This is not similar to the Big Bang either.

The Big Bang is the event where space/time and matter/energy are created. Currently it looks as if the whole 3-D spatial universe was created at once and goes to infiniy. It was completely filled with highly condensed energy. It was so hot and compressed that atoms couldn't even form. The universe expands over time and is still expanding. As it expands, it cools down. As it cools down atoms can form and then stars and so on.

The Big Bang is not an explosion like many people thing. It is the creation of the universe everywhere when time started. It has no analogy since it involved the creation of matter and we only observe the changing of matter and energy.

One of the predictions of the Big Bang was the microwave background radiation that shows that the universal temperature is about 3 Kelvin. This has been verified so well, that if God had created the Universe 6,000 years ago, then He would have had to do it in a way that made it look like it was billions of years old. Why would God want to be so tricky as to hide evidence of His work?

Quath

do you have any evidence for that at all?
not just a stupid idea a 3-year old could come up with and is full of gaps?

BTW he never hid what he did,just look at your own thumb to see his handy work 8-)


say....if its not a explosion,then why is it called the big bang theory,not the great heating theory(sounds like somthng frome a little kids book)?

have you observed the "big bang"

and what heats it?

lemme guess...your imagination

 

[ThinkerMan]

It was called the "Big Bang" by someone skeptical of the theory in 1949, at a time before evidence such as the microwave background radiation was detected and analyzed. The name stuck, but as Quath says it is not indicative of what the theory actually claims.

 

[Quath]

do you have any evidence for that at all?

There are lots. Here are some off the top of my head:

1. Microwave background radiation. If you look at the radiation profile it fits with a blackbody that is 3 Kelvin. This is expected from Big bang but has no reason to exist under a creationist type of senario.

2. The stars and galaxies are spread out so that there is nothing special about where we are. Light goes in all directions with equal probability. There are no edge effects. This is expected under the Big Bang.

3. Stars are moving away from each other. This shows the universe is expanding. If you play time backwards, stars move towards each other. What do you expect when they all hit?

4. Olbers' paradox. If the universe was not expanding, the night sky would be as bright as the day sky.

not just a stupid idea a 3-year old could come up with and is full of gaps?

You are welcome to present the gaps. There are none that I know of. The ones I have heard show the level of ignorance of science of the people objecting (like the 2nd law argument). There are some interesting objections, but nothing that says that the Big Bang is impossible.

BTW he never hid what he did,just look at your own thumb to see his handy work 8-)

How do I know that Ra did not make that? Or space aliens? Or it was from evolution? The thumb is as much evidence of God as gold is of leprechauns.

have you observed the "big bang"

Have we observed dinosaurs? Yet we are highly confident there were dinosaurs. We go by the fossil evidence. Likewise, we have confidence in the Big Bang because of the fossil evidence in the Microwave background radiation and the other stuff I mentioned.

and what heats it?

The energy for the Big Bang is interesting. Gravity is negative energy. So if a star were to suddenly appear out of nowhere, you have added energy to the universe. However, its gravity adds negative energy. So it cancels out. So the Big Bang is similar to saying that nothing is equal to something plus anti-something or 0 = 2 + (-2). We see 2 and we see -2 and say they are something, but added together, they are nothing.

The Big Bang and our universe is just another way to represent nothingness.

lemme guess...your imagination

Insults are the sign that you have nothing else to support your side of the argument.

Quath