Book of Life

[Solo]

Question: "What is the Book of Life?"

Answer: Revelation 20:15 declares, “If anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.†The Book of Life is the set of names of those who will live with God forever in heaven. It is the roll of those who are saved. This Book of Life is also mentioned in Revelation 3:5; 20:12; and Philippians 4:3. The same book is also called the Lamb’s Book of Life because it contains the names of those who have been redeemed by the blood of the Lord Jesus (Revelation 13:8; 21:27).

How can you be sure your name is written in the Book of Life? Be sure you’re saved. Repent of sin and believe in the Lord Jesus Christ as your Savior (Philippians 4:3; Revelation 3:5). Once your name is written in the Book of Life, it is never erased (Revelation 3:5; Romans 8:37-39). No true believer should doubt his eternal security in Christ (John 10:28-30).

The Great White Throne Judgment described in Revelation 20:11-15 is a judgment for unbelievers. That passage makes it clear that no one at that judgment has his name in the Book of Life (Revelation 20:12-14). Since their names are not in the Book of Life, their fate is sealed, their punishment is sure.

Some people point to Revelation 3:5 as “proof†that a person can lose his salvation. However, the promise of Revelation 3:5 is clearly that the Lord will not erase a name: “He who overcomes . . . I will not blot out his name from the Book of Life.†An overcomer is one who is victorious over the temptations, trials, and evils of this worldâ€â€in other words, one who is redeemed. The saved are written in God’s registry and have the promise of eternal security.

Another passage over which confusion sometimes arises is Psalm 69:28: “Let them [David’s enemies] be blotted out of the book of the living.†This “book of the living†should not be confused with the Lamb’s Book of Life. David is referring to earthly, physical life, not eternal life in heaven. The same is true of the “book†mentioned in Exodus 32:32-33.

God keeps good records. He knows His own, and He has set the names of His children permanently in His book.

Recommended Resource: Eternal Security by Charles Stanley.

Retrieved from http://www.gotquestions.org/book-of-life.html

 

[Solo]

Question: "Is it possible for a person's name to be erased from the Book of Life?"

Answer: Revelation 22:19 says, “And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.†This verse is usually involved in the debate concerning eternal security. Does Revelation 22:19 mean that after a person’s name is written in the Lamb’s Book of Life, it can at some time in the future be erased? In other words, can a Christian lose his salvation?

First, Scripture is clear that a true believer is kept secure by the power of God, sealed for the day of redemption (Ephesians 4:30), and of all those whom the Father has given to the Son, He will lose none of them (John 6:39). The Lord Jesus Christ proclaimed, "I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father's hand" (John 10:28-29b). Salvation is God’s work, not ours (Titus 3:5), and it is His power that keeps us.

If the “anyone†referred to in Revelation 22:19 are not believers, who are they? In other words, who might want to either add to or take away from the words of the Bible? Most likely, this tampering with God’s Word would be done not by true believers but by those who only profess to be Christians and who suppose that their names are in the Book of Life. Generally speaking, the two main groups who have traditionally tampered with the Revelation are pseudo-Christian cults and those who hold to very liberal theological beliefs. Many cults and theological liberals claim the name of Christ as their own, but they are not "born again"â€â€the definitive biblical term for a Christian.

The Bible cites several examples of those who thought they were believers, but whose profession was proven to be false. In John 15, Jesus refers to them as branches that did not remain in Him, the true Vine, and therefore did not produce any fruit. We know they are false because “by their fruits you shall know them†(Matthew 7:16, 20); true disciples will exhibit the fruit of the Holy Spirit who resides within them (Galatians 5:22). In 2 Peter 2:22, false professors are dogs returning to their own vomit and a sow who “after washing herself returns to wallow in the mire†(ESV). The barren branch, the dog, and the pig are all symbols of those who profess to have salvation, but who have nothing more than their own righteousness to rely upon, not the righteousness of Christ which truly saves.

It is doubtful that those who have repented of their sin and been born again would willingly tamper with God's Word in this wayâ€â€adding to it or taking from it. Of course, we recognize that good people have sincerely held differences in the area of textual criticism! But it can be demonstrated how cultists and liberals have repeatedly done both "adding to" and "taking away from." Thus, we can understand God's warning in Revelation 22:19 in this manner: Anyone who tampers with this crucial message will find that God did not place his name in the Book of Life, will be denied access to the Holy City, and will forfeit any expectation of all the good things He promises to His saints in this book.

From a purely logical standpoint, why would the sovereign and omniscient Godâ€â€He who knows the end from the beginning (Isaiah 46:10)â€â€write a name in the Book of Life when He knows He will only have to erase it when that person eventually apostatizes and denies the faith? Additionally, if you read this warning within the context of the paragraph in which it appearsâ€â€Revelation 22:6-19â€â€you can clearly see God remains consistent in His theology: only those who have taken heed of His warnings, repented and been born again will have any good to look forward to in eternity. All others, sadly, have a terrible and terrifying future awaiting them.

Revelation 3:5 is another verse that impacts this issue. “He who overcomes . . . I will never blot out his name from the book of life.†The “overcomer†mentioned in this letter to Sardis is the Christian. Compare this with 1 John 5:4: “Everyone who is born of God overcomes the world.†And verse 5: “Who is he that overcomes the world? Only he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God.†(See also 1 John 2:13.) All believers are “overcomers†in that they have been granted victory over the sin and unbelief of the world.

Some people see in Revelation 3:5 the picture of God’s pen poised, ready to strike out the name of any Christian who sins. They read into it something like this: “If you mess up and don’t win the victory, then you’re going to lose your salvation! In fact, I will erase your name from the Book of Life!†But this is NOT what the verse says. Jesus is giving a promise here, not a warning.

Never does Scripture say that God erases a believer’s name from the Book of Lifeâ€â€there is never even a warning that He is contemplating it! The wonderful promise of Revelation 3:5 is that Jesus will NOT erase one’s name. Speaking to the “overcomersâ€Ââ€â€all those redeemed by the blood of the Lambâ€â€Jesus gives His word that He will not delete their names. He affirms that once a name is there, it is there forever. This is based on the faithfulness of God.

The promise of Revelation 3:5 is directed to believers, who are secure in their salvation. In contrast, the warning of Revelation 22:19 is directed to unbelievers, who, rather than change their hearts toward God, attempt to change God’s Word to suit themselves.

Recommended Resource: Eternal Security by Charles Stanley.

Retrieved from http://www.gotquestions.org/erased-book-life.html

 

[shad]

Charles Stanley must have high IQ. I don't envy people with high IQ.

 

[Solo]

Charles Stanley must have high IQ. I don't envy people with high IQ.

You might want to keep that little tidbit of information to yourself; that way you won't come across as having a low IQ. ;)

 

[shad]

Charles Stanley must have high IQ. I don't envy people with high IQ.

You might want to keep that little tidbit of information to yourself; that way you won't come across as having a low IQ. ;)

All I know is I don't have high IQ and I am not ashamed of it because God is so great that He is marciful to those who are in low position. He is powerful in weakness.
:yes :amen

 

[Solo]

Charles Stanley must have high IQ. I don't envy people with high IQ.

You might want to keep that little tidbit of information to yourself; that way you won't come across as having a low IQ. ;)

All I know is I don't have high IQ and I am not ashamed of it because God is so great that He is marciful to those who are in low position. He is powerful in weakness.
:yes :amen

You are so right. God is Great and He is powerful because we are weak. All we have to do is let go and let God!
:amen

Thanks for putting up with my tease! :biglol

 

[shad]

You are so right. God is Great and He is powerful because we are weak. All we have to do is let go and let God!
:amen

Thanks for putting up with my tease! :biglol

You are misusing my quote. Look how your teacher, Charles Stanley, is explaining simple Scripture of book of life. You are also as smart as he, it seems. God does not work powerfully in smart people like you and Charles Stanley.

 

[Bubba]

Revelation 20:15 declares, “If anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.â€Â

Solo,
Most would conclude that being thrown into "The Lake of Fire" is an eternal consequence of unbelief; Charles Pridgeon raises some doubt with this assumption.
He writes:
"The Lake of Fire and Brimstone signifies a fire burning with brimstone; the word 'brimstone' or sulphur defines the character of the fire. The Greek word THEION translated 'brimstone' is exactly the same word THEION which means 'divine.' Sulphur was sacred to the deity among the ancient Greeks; and was used to fumigate, to purify, and to cleanse and consecrate to the deity; for this purpose they burned it in their incense. In Homer's Iliad (16:228), one is spoken of as purifying a goblet with fire and brimstone. The verb derived from THEION is THEIOO, which means to hallow, to make divine, or to dedicate to a god (See Liddell and Scott Greek-English Lexicon, 1897 Edition). To any Greek, or any trained in the Greek language, a 'lake of fire and brimstone' would mean a 'lake of divine purification.' The idea of judgment need not be excluded. Divine purification and divine consecration are the plain meaning in ancient Greek. In the ordinary explanation, this fundamental meaning of the word is entirely left out, and nothing but eternal torment is associated with it"

In Christ, Bubba

 

[Cornelius]

Revelation 3:5 is another verse that impacts this issue. “He who overcomes . . . I will never blot out his name from the book of life.†The “overcomer†mentioned in this letter to Sardis is the Christian. Compare this with 1 John 5:4: “Everyone who is born of God overcomes the world.†And verse 5: “Who is he that overcomes the world? Only he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God.†(See also 1 John 2:13.) All believers are “overcomers†in that they have been granted victory over the sin and unbelief of the world

Wow, this sure is a different picture of the one we are seeing today , is it not. You mean the church as we know it today is filled with people who are walking in victory over sin and unbelief.
Surely you are mixing up what we have received by faith , with what we have with manifestation?

The church today confess " We are SINNERS saved by grace" ...clinging onto their sin .........surely they are not the picture of :"victory over sin and unbelief" as you say they are.

What you have received by faith , is manifested by the overcomer.


You should read those scriptures you are quoting , because they are full of wisdom............ Who is born of God ?

C

 

[Rick W]

You are so right. God is Great and He is powerful because we are weak. All we have to do is let go and let God!
:amen

Thanks for putting up with my tease! :biglol

You are misusing my quote. Look how your teacher, Charles Stanley, is exlaining simple Scripture of book of life. You are also as smart as he, it seems. God does not work powerfully in smart people like you and Charles Stanley.

Reminder:

5 - Respect each other's opinions. Address issues, not persons or personalities.

6 - No Bashing of other members. Give other members the respect you would want them to give yourself.

 

[whirlwind]

Revelation 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

The books (plural) were opened. As well as the book of life there is another. The elect are already judged so "the dead small and great" aren't the elect being judged.

Malachi 3:16 Then they that feared the LORD spake one to another: and the LORD hearkened, and heard it, and a book of remembrance was written before Him for them that feared the LORD and that thought upon His name. And they be Mine, saith the LORD of hosts, in that day when I make up My jewels; and I will spare them, as a man spareth his own son that serveth him.

I believe this is the book the elect are written in, the book of remembrance. To me, those that "spake one to another" are folks like us that crave His Word and discussions about Him. I believe we are His jewels.....His man child for He gives the example of "his own son" being spared, one that serves Him.

 

[Solo]

Revelation 20:15 declares, “If anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.â€Â

Solo,
Most would conclude that being thrown into "The Lake of Fire" is an eternal consequence of unbelief; Charles Pridgeon raises some doubt with this assumption.
He writes:
"The Lake of Fire and Brimstone signifies a fire burning with brimstone; the word 'brimstone' or sulphur defines the character of the fire. The Greek word THEION translated 'brimstone' is exactly the same word THEION which means 'divine.' Sulphur was sacred to the deity among the ancient Greeks; and was used to fumigate, to purify, and to cleanse and consecrate to the deity; for this purpose they burned it in their incense. In Homer's Iliad (16:228), one is spoken of as purifying a goblet with fire and brimstone. The verb derived from THEION is THEIOO, which means to hallow, to make divine, or to dedicate to a god (See Liddell and Scott Greek-English Lexicon, 1897 Edition). To any Greek, or any trained in the Greek language, a 'lake of fire and brimstone' would mean a 'lake of divine purification.' The idea of judgment need not be excluded. Divine purification and divine consecration are the plain meaning in ancient Greek. In the ordinary explanation, this fundamental meaning of the word is entirely left out, and nothing but eternal torment is associated with it"

In Christ, Bubba

Oh, the ole Tentmaker Universal Reconciliation teachings again. One must stretch a looooonnnnnngggggg way to believe the old Universal Reconciliation/Universal Salvation teachings, not to mention ignore and redefine major portions of Scripture.

Painting God with a brush of man's idea of love while ignoring God's perfect justice is standard protocol when perverting the truth of God's Word. The ole devil has done this act from day one.

Oh by the way, you are not promoting this belief are you?!

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  You will not post any messages; links, images or photos that promote a religion or belief other than Biblical and historical Christianity (atheism is considered a "belief" for the purposes of this rule). Discussing these doctrines are fine, as long as the beliefs are not actively promoted. This includes Universal Reconciliation and Universal Salvation. This is a Christian Forum as the name suggests.

 

[Solo]

Revelation 3:5 is another verse that impacts this issue. “He who overcomes . . . I will never blot out his name from the book of life.†The “overcomer†mentioned in this letter to Sardis is the Christian. Compare this with 1 John 5:4: “Everyone who is born of God overcomes the world.†And verse 5: “Who is he that overcomes the world? Only he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God.†(See also 1 John 2:13.) All believers are “overcomers†in that they have been granted victory over the sin and unbelief of the world

Wow, this sure is a different picture of the one we are seeing today , is it not. You mean the church as we know it today is filled with people who are walking in victory over sin and unbelief.
Surely you are mixing up what we have received by faith , with what we have with manifestation?

The church today confess " We are SINNERS saved by grace" ...clinging onto their sin .........surely they are not the picture of :"victory over sin and unbelief" as you say they are.

What you have received by faith , is manifested by the overcomer.


You should read those scriptures you are quoting , because they are full of wisdom............ Who is born of God ?

C

Are churches born again, or are individuals born again? Only individuals that believe are born again while those who do not believe remain condemned. The penalty of ALL of the sins of those born again has been paid, and all who are born again have eternal life and will NEVER perish according to Jesus Christ our LORD and SAVIOR.

Jesus said, "But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. I and my Father are one." (John 10:26-30)

 

[Bubba]

Revelation 20:15 declares, “If anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.â€Â

Solo,
Most would conclude that being thrown into "The Lake of Fire" is an eternal consequence of unbelief; Charles Pridgeon raises some doubt with this assumption.
He writes:
"The Lake of Fire and Brimstone signifies a fire burning with brimstone; the word 'brimstone' or sulphur defines the character of the fire. The Greek word THEION translated 'brimstone' is exactly the same word THEION which means 'divine.' Sulphur was sacred to the deity among the ancient Greeks; and was used to fumigate, to purify, and to cleanse and consecrate to the deity; for this purpose they burned it in their incense. In Homer's Iliad (16:228), one is spoken of as purifying a goblet with fire and brimstone. The verb derived from THEION is THEIOO, which means to hallow, to make divine, or to dedicate to a god (See Liddell and Scott Greek-English Lexicon, 1897 Edition). To any Greek, or any trained in the Greek language, a 'lake of fire and brimstone' would mean a 'lake of divine purification.' The idea of judgment need not be excluded. Divine purification and divine consecration are the plain meaning in ancient Greek. In the ordinary explanation, this fundamental meaning of the word is entirely left out, and nothing but eternal torment is associated with it"

In Christ, Bubba

Oh, the ole Tentmaker Universal Reconciliation teachings again. One must stretch a looooonnnnnngggggg way to believe the old Universal Reconciliation/Universal Salvation teachings, not to mention ignore and redefine major portions of Scripture.

Painting God with a brush of man's idea of love while ignoring God's perfect justice is standard protocol when perverting the truth of God's Word. The ole devil has done this act from day one.

Oh by the way, you are not promoting this belief are you?!

• 3 - No active promotion of other Faiths is allowed:
  
  You will not post any messages; links, images or photos that promote a religion or belief other than Biblical and historical Christianity (atheism is considered a "belief" for the purposes of this rule). Discussing these doctrines are fine, as long as the beliefs are not actively promoted. This includes Universal Reconciliation and Universal Salvation. This is a Christian Forum as the name suggests.

Solo,
I am well aware of the rules on UR at this forum, and the response you gave is not surprising and in part is probably why the UR people are not allowed. I would argue that one can be a Christian and a Universalist, unfortunately it can not happen here unless it is done in the debate forum.
In Christ, Bubba

 

[Cornelius]

Revelation 3:5 is another verse that impacts this issue. “He who overcomes . . . I will never blot out his name from the book of life.†The “overcomer†mentioned in this letter to Sardis is the Christian. Compare this with 1 John 5:4: “Everyone who is born of God overcomes the world.†And verse 5: “Who is he that overcomes the world? Only he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God.†(See also 1 John 2:13.) All believers are “overcomers†in that they have been granted victory over the sin and unbelief of the world

Wow, this sure is a different picture of the one we are seeing today , is it not. You mean the church as we know it today is filled with people who are walking in victory over sin and unbelief.
Surely you are mixing up what we have received by faith , with what we have with manifestation?

The church today confess " We are SINNERS saved by grace" ...clinging onto their sin .........surely they are not the picture of :"victory over sin and unbelief" as you say they are.

What you have received by faith , is manifested by the overcomer.


You should read those scriptures you are quoting , because they are full of wisdom............ Who is born of God ?

C

Are churches born again, or are individuals born again? Only individuals that believe are born again while those who do not believe remain condemned. The penalty of ALL of the sins of those born again has been paid, and all who are born again have eternal life and will NEVER perish according to Jesus Christ our LORD and SAVIOR.

Jesus said, "But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. I and my Father are one." (John 10:26-30)

Except these:

Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, (Notice they call Him Lord ) shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father who is in heaven.


Or these:2Pe 2:1 But there arose false prophets also among the people, as among you also there shall be false teachers,(on our pulpits) who shall privily bring in destructive heresies, (they preach) denying even the Master that bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction. ....................... spots and blemishes, revelling in their deceivings while they feast with you; (They feast with us, they are in our congregations)

and these:

1Co 13:3 And if I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and if I give my body to be burned, but have not love, it profiteth me nothing.

And of course those who receive the mark of the Beast.........
And those who do not endure to the end..........
And those who do not take up their cross.........
And those who count anything higher that Jesus..........
And those who would blaspheme the Holy Spirit.......
And those who persist in willful sin................
And those who do not bear fruit............

There are much more, but this will be enough for now.

C

 

[Joe67]

He who adds to the words of prophecy, the plagues are added to him.

He who takes away from the words of prophecy, his part in the book of life and the holy city are taken out.

Rev 22:18-19
18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. KJV

Col 2:8
8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. KJV

Philosophy leads us to take away from the words of prophecy.

Vain deceit leads us to add to the words of prophecy.

Joe

 

[Solo]

Revelation 3:5 is another verse that impacts this issue. “He who overcomes . . . I will never blot out his name from the book of life.†The “overcomer†mentioned in this letter to Sardis is the Christian. Compare this with 1 John 5:4: “Everyone who is born of God overcomes the world.†And verse 5: “Who is he that overcomes the world? Only he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God.†(See also 1 John 2:13.) All believers are “overcomers†in that they have been granted victory over the sin and unbelief of the world

Wow, this sure is a different picture of the one we are seeing today , is it not. You mean the church as we know it today is filled with people who are walking in victory over sin and unbelief.
Surely you are mixing up what we have received by faith , with what we have with manifestation?

The church today confess " We are SINNERS saved by grace" ...clinging onto their sin .........surely they are not the picture of :"victory over sin and unbelief" as you say they are.

What you have received by faith , is manifested by the overcomer.


You should read those scriptures you are quoting , because they are full of wisdom............ Who is born of God ?

C

Are churches born again, or are individuals born again? Only individuals that believe are born again while those who do not believe remain condemned. The penalty of ALL of the sins of those born again has been paid, and all who are born again have eternal life and will NEVER perish according to Jesus Christ our LORD and SAVIOR.

Jesus said, "But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. I and my Father are one." (John 10:26-30)

Except these:

Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, (Notice they call Him Lord ) shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father who is in heaven.

Cornelius,

You need to read the Scriptures a little more closely. Notice that Jesus tells those who call Him Lord, Lord that He NEVER knew them. They were NEVER born again.

• 21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. Matthew 7:21-23

Or these:2Pe 2:1 But there arose false prophets also among the people, as among you also there shall be false teachers,(on our pulpits) who shall privily bring in destructive heresies, (they preach) denying even the Master that bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction. ....................... spots and blemishes, revelling in their deceivings while they feast with you; (They feat with us, they are in our congregations)

These false prophets are just that, false believers. They were not born again, and were already condemned. Why were they not born again? Because they denied Jesus Christ who died for all who are condemned. Only those who believe are born again, and those false prophets of 2 Peter 2 were not born again.

and these:

1Co 13:3 And if I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and if I give my body to be burned, but have not love, it profiteth me nothing.

And those who are born again have the love of God living within them; and they walk accordingly. Those who are born again have Jesus Christ as their propitiation for their sin, and He is within them. Those who are not born again remain in the darkness until they too believe to be born again.

• 1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: 2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. 3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. 4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him. 6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked. 7 Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning. 8 Again, a new commandment I write unto you, which thing is true in him and in you: because the darkness is past, and the true light now shineth. 9 He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now. 10 He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him. 11 But he that hateth his brother is in darkness, and walketh in darkness, and knoweth not whither he goeth, because that darkness hath blinded his eyes. 1 John 2:1-11

And of course those who receive the mark of the Beast.........

Those who are born again will not worship the beast and his image, AND receive his mark. Only those who are not sealed with the Holy Spirit after having been born again will fit into this category.

• 9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, 10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: 11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. Revelation 14:9-11

And those who do not endure to the end..........

All who are born again are in Christ Jesus, and will endure till the end. Read Matthew 24 in context.

Dr Lloyd Olson who wrote, "Only shoddy exegesis and ignorance of context would take a passage about the end times given solely and specifically to national Israel and twist it into a present fear of personal loss of salvation. Fear and ignorance are some of Satan's most powerful tools!" He also states concerning this verse and those that teach that it must mean loss of salvation: "This is a clear case of violently wrenching the verse out of text and forcing one's opinions upon God's Word."

And those who do not take up their cross.........

All who are born again take up the cross for it is that cross that their sins are nailed to for the eternal life given to them.

• 13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; 14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; 15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it. Colossians 2:13-15

And those who count anything higher that Jesus..........

All who are born again do not place anything higher than Jesus when they walk in the Spirit; however, when they walk in the flesh, they do. Isn't it great to know that God would give His only begotten Son to sinners so that when they believe in His Son, they would have nothing at all keeping them in bondage to the flesh that was crucified with Christ Jesus!!! Praise God for His Grace and Love!

• I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. Galatians 2:20
  
  And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. Galatians 5:24

And those who would blaspheme the Holy Spirit.......

Those who blaspheme the Holy Spirit have rejected the Word of God, and have never been born again. The Holy Spirit is permanently given to those who are born again, and He dwells within every believer sealing them until the day of redemption.

And those who persist in willful sin................

The new creature that is born of God when one believes cannot sin; and the flesh is crucified in Christ.

• Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 1 John 3:9

And those who do not bear fruit............

Those that do not bear fruit are not attached to the root. Jesus Christ is the root and the branches are those who are born again. Any branch that does not bear fruit is not abiding in Christ Jesus and Christ Jesus is not abiding in them. In order to abide in Christ and Christ abide in you, you must be born again.

• 1 I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman. 2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit. 3 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you. 4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. 5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. 6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned. 7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you. 8 Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples. John 15:5

• 20 For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness. 21 What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death. 22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life. 23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. Romans 6:20-23

There are much more, but this will be enough for now.

C

There are absolutely no verses of Scripture that show that the Salvation that is given to those who are born again can be lost through the acts of the flesh. No one, having been born of God will suffer His wrath be condemned according to the Scriptures.

 

[XTruth]

Rev 22:18-19
18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

Tell me, does a non-believer ever have their names written in the book of life? Then how could they have any part of the book of life? Does all of man-kind have a part in the book of life? Then how could their part be taken away if they never had a part?
This goes side by side with how ludicrous it is to believe one was never in Christ who has strayed from being in Christ; or how do you stop abiding, continuing, or enduring if you were never born again in the first place? Or even how is it possible to be cut away from the Vine if you were never part of the Vine? Is everyone started out as in the Vine just like everyone would have to be starting out written in the book of the righteous? Your pointing out that they must of never really been saved when it is clear that they had to be is a crime against common sense and the words of the Holy Spirit, b/c you are forced to contort and complicate Scripture every where in order to hold to your doctrine when the gospel of Christ is simple (2 Cor.11:3), but even that verse that says it is simple also makes clear that righteous beings can fall away by being deceived. You've even complicated the clearness of the verse that says it is simple. If every book was read like you read the Bible, then it would be debated that the great white whale in Moby Dick was not really a whale at all.

Answer the bold-faced words please. I'm not sure if I even want to step into another thread of yours that hurts me at every post by the lies you believe and teach and are supported by the leaders of this "Christian forum."

 

[shad]

There are absolutely no verses of Scripture that show that the Salvation that is given to those who are born again can be lost through the acts of the flesh. No one, having been born of God will suffer His wrath be condemned according to the Scriptures.

Solo, here are some of Jesus' statements that disagree with you. These are only some.

Revelation 3:5
He who overcomes will, like them, be dressed in white. I will never blot out his name from the book of life, but will acknowledge his name before my Father and his angels.

Revelation 2:5 (New International Version)
5Remember the height from which you have fallen! Repent and do the things you did at first. If you do not repent, I will come to you and remove your lampstand from its place.

Revelation 2:16 (New International Version)
16Repent therefore! Otherwise, I will soon come to you and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.

Revelation 2:20-25 (New International Version)
20Nevertheless, I have this against you: You tolerate that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess. By her teaching she misleads my servants into sexual immorality and the eating of food sacrificed to idols. 21I have given her time to repent of her immorality, but she is unwilling. 22So I will cast her on a bed of suffering, and I will make those who commit adultery with her suffer intensely, unless they repent of her ways. 23I will strike her children dead. Then all the churches will know that I am he who searches hearts and minds, and I will repay each of you according to your deeds. 24Now I say to the rest of you in Thyatira, to you who do not hold to her teaching and have not learned Satan's so-called deep secrets (I will not impose any other burden on you): 25Only hold on to what you have until I come.

Revelation 3
To the Church in Sardis
1"To the angel[a] of the church in Sardis write:
These are the words of him who holds the seven spiritsof God and the seven stars. I know your deeds; you have a reputation of being alive, but you are dead. 2Wake up! Strengthen what remains and is about to die, for I have not found your deeds complete in the sight of my God. 3Remember, therefore, what you have received and heard; obey it, and repent. But if you do not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what time I will come to you.

Revelation 3
To the Church in Sardis
1"To the angel[a] of the church in Sardis write:
These are the words of him who holds the seven spiritsof God and the seven stars. I know your deeds; you have a reputation of being alive, but you are dead. 2Wake up! Strengthen what remains and is about to die, for I have not found your deeds complete in the sight of my God. 3Remember, therefore, what you have received and heard; obey it, and repent. But if you do not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what time I will come to you.

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[Bubba]

Preterist Don Preston came to this conclusion of the term "The Book of Life":

"Isaiah 2-4 describes the Day of the Lord as a time when the wicked would flee--patently this cannot be any so-called end of time scenario! Jesus cited Isaiah to describe the events of his coming in 70 AD.

Daniel 7 speaks of the coming of the Son of Man on the clouds. It would be a coming when the persecutor of God's people would be judged. This judgment would be in the days of the Roman Empire. That judgment would result in glory for the saints and glorification of the Son.

Daniel 12 predicted the time of the end. It would be the time of unparalleled tribulation, the deliverance of those written in God's book, the resurrection, the Abomination of Desolation. All would be fulfilled when the power of the holy people was completely shattered. Jesus cites Daniel 12 two times in Matthew 24 and says those events would be fulfilled in his coming in the judgment of Israel in that generation.

Malachi also predicted the salvation of those written in the book. That salvation would come when the Sun of Righteousness would arise. This would be a day of blessing to them but a Day of burning and judgment for the wicked. It would be the Great and Terrible Day of the Lord that John the Immerser speaking four hundred years later said was imminent.

Finally, the Apocalypse speaks of the salvation of the remnant, the judgment of Old Israel, the coming of the Great and Terrible Day of the Lord. The Apocalypse also says in the clearest of terms that that awesome Day was at hand and would come quickly.

ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE THE BOOK OF LIFE WAS TO BE OPENED WHEN THE MESSIAH CAME IN JUDGMENT AGAINST ISRAEL. AT THAT TIME SALVATION FOR THE REMNANT WOULD BE PERFECTED, ISRAEL'S SIN WOULD BE CLEANSED, THE GENTILES WOULD ENTER FULLY INTO THE SALVATION THAT IS "OF THE JEWS", [the mystery of God would be complete, Rev. 10:7]. THE MESSIANIC KINGDOM WOULD STAND PERFECTED AND ALL MEN COULD ENTER THE BLESSINGS OF THE KINGDOM AND PARTAKE OF THE LIFE THEREIN. Because of the unity of concepts, because of the time limitations in all these passages we are forced to conclude that the Great throne judgment of Revelation 20, when the book of life would be opened, occurred at the coming of the Lord in judgment against Israel in 70 AD."

Bubba