Book of Revelation Written by John around 96AD

[Dorothy Mae]

All the apostles and early fathers were men. So what?

There is a difference between inspired words of men and personal opinion or writing (not personal opinion) that is not inspired. The commentaries are not inspired and even the authors do not claim that they are.

 

[2nd Timothy Group]

Rapture is not in the Bible and that is another topic.

Maybe this is why I have never felt that God wanted me to dig into it. I've never had any interest to understand it . . . which amazes me.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

100%

What can one say if one only takes bits and pieces of what those closest to the events wrote? I mean every single Christian takes some of what the early church fathers wrote. Every one. The wise ones KNOW this and the others do not know but think they are not doing so.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Maybe this is why I have never felt that God wanted me to dig into it. I've never had any interest to understand it . . . which amazes me.

Wise choice. It is actually only an America thing. The rest of Christendom did not fall prey to that teaching. I have talked to European Christians who never heard of that. One does NOT get it from reading the Bible for sure. Back to the topic....

 

[Mungo]

There is a difference between inspired words of men and personal opinion or writing (not personal opinion) that is not inspired. The commentaries are not inspired and even the authors do not claim that they are.

How do you know the people writing the commentaries were not inspired?
How do you know the early fathers were inspired?

 

[Dorothy Mae]

There is not a single inspired verse of the Bible that supports Revelation being written by the apostle John.

Since the Bible says that the foundation of our faith is built on the Apostles, we can know that an apostle wrote Revelation and most of the New Testament. We know John was exiled to Patmos. The author said he was John exiled on Patmos. I mean it doesn't take rocket science to figure this one out.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

How do you know the people writing the commentaries were not inspired?
How do you know the early fathers were inspired?

I never said the early fathesr were inspired and they did not say so either. The writers of commentary do not say they were inspired either. Isn't that good enough?

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Again that is only your opinion as I am wanting your sources you use that you have also seemed to google to get these quotes from the early church theologians. Rapture is not in the Bible and that is another topic.

Is there a reason why you refuse to look into the thread I started to find the quotes from the church fathers?

 

[for_his_glory]

I gave them to you but you are not interested in reading the writings of the church fathers who were much closer to the events. Ah, I googled scholarly quotes from the church fathers. You looked into Encyclopedia Britannica and quoted no scholars at all. All that you wrote seems to be only your opinion, by the way.

I'm sorry, but I see nothing in here of those writings and I am not going to search where else you posted them. As far as I am concerned all you want to do is argue with me like you usually do as you are not disputing anyone else in this thread that are in agreement with the history. It's perfectly fine with me in you giving your views, but when you condemn mine then I have no time for that. Please stay on topic and do not make this personal.

 

[for_his_glory]

There is not a single inspired verse of the Bible that supports Revelation being written by the apostle John.

Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

 

[for_his_glory]

Maybe this is why I have never felt that God wanted me to dig into it. I've never had any interest to understand it . . . which amazes me.

It is a deep study and there is no shame in not wanting to dig into it. I'm just the type that wants to know about these things which must come first before the return of Christ.

 

[Mungo]

I never said the early fathesr were inspired and they did not say so either. The writers of commentary do not say they were inspired either. Isn't that good enough?

The writers of scripture did not say they were inspired either.
We don't even know who some of them were. For example who wrote Hebrews and was he (or she) inspired?

 

[Mungo]

Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

Doesn't say it was the apostle John.

 

[Mungo]

I never said the early fathesr were inspired and they did not say so either. The writers of commentary do not say they were inspired either. Isn't that good enough?

OK, so the early fathers were no more inspired than the writers of the New Jerome Commentary.

 

[Mungo]

Since the Bible says that the foundation of our faith is built on the Apostles,

No it doesn't.

we can know that an apostle wrote Revelation and most of the New Testament. We know John was exiled to Patmos. The author said he was John exiled on Patmos. I mean it doesn't take rocket science to figure this one out.

That the apostle John was exiled on Patmos is just someones uninspired opinion.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

I'm sorry, but I see nothing in here of those writings and I am not going to search where else you posted them. As far as I am concerned all you want to do is argue with me like you usually do as you are not disputing anyone else in this thread that are in agreement with the history. It's perfectly fine with me in you giving your views, but when you condemn mine then I have no time for that. Please stay on topic and do not make this personal.

I actually am very sorry for you, Deb. I will PM because you will just delete anything I write and will likely delete this as well.

 

[for_his_glory]

Is there a reason why you refuse to look into the thread I started to find the quotes from the church fathers?

My reason is that all I need is what the Prophets and Apostles were given to write. If we can not depend on what has been written in Encyclopedias, Martyrs Mirror, Foxe's Book of Martyr's and history books then they might as well take history classes out of schools and just throw those books away. As far as that goes you might as well throw your Bible in the trash as it too is full of history.

 

[for_his_glory]

The writers of scripture did not say they were inspired either.
We don't even know who some of them were. For example who wrote Hebrews and was he (or she) inspired?

2Tim 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
2Tim 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

If you do not believe this then you might as well throw your Bible in the garbage.

 

[for_his_glory]

Doesn't say it was the apostle John.

Then please give us the info on this other John that you say was also a disciple as I do not see another John in scripture.

 

[for_his_glory]

Since the Bible says that the foundation of our faith is built on the Apostles,

The foundation of our faith is Christ Jesus, not the Apostles as what they wrote were their witness and testimony of Christ in what He gave them to write.

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Heb 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.