Book of Revelation Written by John around 96AD

[Mungo]

2Tim 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
2Tim 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

If you do not believe this then you might as well throw your Bible in the garbage.

Again you are not responding to what I actually said.
I said "The writers of scripture did not say they were inspired either", not that someone ealse didn't claim that.
Besides who said that 2Tim was written under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit?
Does Paul say that?

 

[Mungo]

Then please give us the info on this other John that you say was also a disciple as I do not see another John in scripture.

You don't have John the Baptist in your Bible?
Then you might as well throw your Bible in the garbage.

The person in Rev claims to be called John. If he is not John the apostle then he is another John and thus named in the Bible.

 

[for_his_glory]

Again you are not responding to what I actually said.
I said "The writers of scripture did not say they were inspired either", not that someone ealse didn't claim that.
Besides who said that 2Tim was written under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit?
Does Paul say that?

Who says their writings are not inspired? Does Paul say they are not inspired?

 

[for_his_glory]

You don't have John the Baptist in your Bible?
Then you might as well throw your Bible in the garbage.

The person in Rev claims to be called John. If he is not John the apostle then he is another John and thus named in the Bible.

John the Baptist was not one of the twelve disciples. He was born around 10 BC and died sometime between the ages of 28-36 being 6 months older than Jesus when He was baptized by John the Baptist. The disciple John was the son of Zebedee and Salome born in 6AD. Scripture gives no last names of the Disciples as back in the day he would have only been known as John the son of Zebedee. When I was doing my husbands ancestry many from Sweden did not have last names, but only known as the son or daughter of parents first name.

Mat 10:2 Now the names of the twelve apostles are these; The first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother;
Mat 10:3 Philip, and Bartholomew; Thomas, and Matthew the publican; James the son of Alphaeus, and Lebbaeus, whose surname was Thaddaeus;
Mat 10:4 Simon the Canaanite, and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed him.

 

[Mungo]

John the Baptist was not one of the twelve disciples. He was born around 10 BC and died sometime between the ages of 28-36 being 6 months older than Jesus when He was baptized by John the Baptist. The disciple John was the son of Zebedee and Salome born in 6AD. Scripture gives no last names of the Disciples as back in the day he would have only been known as John the son of Zebedee. When I was doing my husbands ancestry many from Sweden did not have last names, but only known as the son or daughter of parents first name.

Yes, but what exactly is your point?
You claimed there was no there John in the scripture apart from John the apostle

Mat 10:2 Now the names of the twelve apostles are these; The first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother;
Mat 10:3 Philip, and Bartholomew; Thomas, and Matthew the publican; James the son of Alphaeus, and Lebbaeus, whose surname was Thaddaeus;
Mat 10:4 Simon the Canaanite, and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed him.

Yes, I know that. What is your point?

 

[Mungo]

Who says their writings are not inspired? Does Paul say they are not inspired?

Does Paul say his writings were inspired?

 

[for_his_glory]

Yes, but what exactly is your point?
You claimed there was no there John in the scripture apart from John the apostle

Yes, I know that. What is your point?

What I was pointing out that there was only one Disciple named John and that it was he who received these revelations and told to write them down.

 

[for_his_glory]

Does Paul say his writings were inspired?

You said in post #61 Besides who said that 2Tim was written under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit?
Does Paul say that?

I was asking you if Paul said his writings were inspired from what you said.

My answer is all of scripture is inspired by God through His Holy Spirit that the Prophets and Apostles wrote that of their witness of Christ and testified of His spoken word as they wrote their letters that make up the Bible.

Rev 1:9 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.

This was written by John the Apostle, the son of Zebedee.

 

[Mungo]

What I was pointing out that there was only one Disciple named John and that it was he who received these revelations and told to write them down.

But you didn't say that.

 

[Mungo]

You said in post #61 Besides who said that 2Tim was written under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit?
Does Paul say that?

I was asking you if Paul said his writings were inspired from what you said.

So you didn't answer my question but asked another one instead.

My answer is all of scripture is inspired by God through His Holy Spirit that the Prophets and Apostles wrote that of their witness of Christ and testified of His spoken word as they wrote their letters that make up the Bible.

So which apostle wrote the Letter To The Hebrews?
Which apostle wrote the Gospel According to Mark?

How do you know which writings are inspired and therefore scripture?

Rev 1:9 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.

This was written by John the Apostle, the son of Zebedee.

That is you opinion.

 

[for_his_glory]

But you didn't say that.

I've been saying this from the beginning of the OP that John, the Disciple of Christ, was the one who wrote those letters that make up the book of Revelation. If you do not think it was written by John then who else would have written those letters to the seven Churches in Asia.

 

[for_his_glory]

So you didn't answer my question but asked another one instead.

So which apostle wrote the Letter To The Hebrews?
Which apostle wrote the Gospel According to Mark?

How do you know which writings are inspired and therefore scripture?



That is you opinion.

I answered your question, I can give you every name of each one who wrote the books of the Bible, but this thread is not about the other books. If you do not know that all scripture is inspired by the Holy Spirit of God and refuse what Paul said in 2 Timothy 3:16 then I don't know what to tell you.

 

[2nd Timothy Group]

It is a deep study and there is no shame in not wanting to dig into it. I'm just the type that wants to know about these things which must come first before the return of Christ.

And I am glad that the Lord has given you this interest. In fact, I'd say that what we are discussing helps to reveal the necessity of the Body of Christ, and how we should learn to depend upon one another. Individual Elect are all given certain abilities so that when combined, we become a solid body of one.

 

[for_his_glory]

And I am glad that the Lord has given you this interest. In fact, I'd say that what we are discussing helps to reveal the necessity of the Body of Christ, and how we should learn to depend upon one another. Individual Elect are all given certain abilities so that when combined, we become a solid body of one.

Amen my brother. Everyone has a certain area they study and when we bring it all together in good discussions we usually always see things we never understood before. The important thing is to make sure what any of us say that it lines up with scripture and let everyone come to their own conclusions, even if we disagree with each other, but yet respect where others are coming from in how they understand the scriptures.

 

[2nd Timothy Group]

Amen my brother. Everyone has a certain area they study and when we bring it all together in good discussions we usually always see things we never understood before. The important thing is to make sure what any of us say that it lines up with scripture and let everyone come to their own conclusions, even if we disagree with each other, but yet respect where others are coming from in how they understand the scriptures.

What you have described is what I had always hoped I would find in a Christian Forum. It boggles my mind that folks enjoy going after each other as if understanding the Scriptures was some kind of contest.

 

[for_his_glory]

What you have described is what I had always hoped I would find in a Christian Forum. It boggles my mind that folks enjoy going after each other as if understanding the Scriptures was some kind of contest.

If people would just give their understanding and allow others to discuss the differences without the I am right and you are wrong attitude it would make discussions flow so much better. If one does not agree with another then so be it and move on. I'm getting to old for drama.

 

[2nd Timothy Group]

If people would just give their understanding and allow others to discuss the differences without the I am right and you are wrong attitude it would make discussions flow so much better. If one does not agree with another then so be it and move on. I'm getting to old for drama.

Your reply just kept getting better and better, right up to the last sentence. Exactly. Age 55 and I am so bored with being told what I think, what I feel, who I am, what's wrong with me, I am in darkness, yadda yadda yadda . . .

I'm guessing that you're the same in that it doesn't take long to realize that you aren't going to get anywhere with a specific person, so why continue? It seems to me that attempting to peacefully walk away is the best thing to do. Yet at other forums, I have been blasted for not sticking around and trying to hash things out for weeks on end. I often wonder if people become addicted to arguing as if it gives them a purpose. I also often wonder if forums give some folks a platform to express their "confidence," or perhaps their sense of personal power. Another thought that just occurred is that our world has changed; we so boldly express our negative thoughts like never before. We are an agitated world.

 

[Mungo]

I've been saying this from the beginning of the OP that John, the Disciple of Christ, was the one who wrote those letters that make up the book of Revelation. If you do not think it was written by John then who else would have written those letters to the seven Churches in Asia.

I know you have been saying it from the beginning but that doesn't make you correct.

 

[Mungo]

I answered your question, I can give you every name of each one who wrote the books of the Bible, but this thread is not about the other books. If you do not know that all scripture is inspired by the Holy Spirit of God and refuse what Paul said in 2 Timothy 3:16 then I don't know what to tell you.

No you didn't answer my question.
But I'm not surprised.

 

[for_his_glory]

No you didn't answer my question.
But I'm not surprised.

Mungo I don't know what you want me to say. If you believe it was another John and not the Apostle John that wrote these letters to the seven churches in Ephesus that make up the book of Revelation then so be it, but I also would appreciate you telling us who this other John is as it is not John the Baptist as he died shortly after Jesus started His ministry.