Born Again Is Required For Whom?? Jn. 3:3

[Elijah674]

Before Adam & Eve sinned they were created 'VERY GOOD'. (perfect, unless one belives God creates flawed goods?)

They were WARNED in Gen. 3:3 'But of the fruit of the tree [which is in the midst of the garden], God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither touch it, [Least ye die]'. We mostly all know the story there? But this is the question.. after Adam & Eve sinned, we see that THEY BOTH BECAME NAKED of something! They both also from that time started to die, and in time they did.

OK: Christ later documented that 'YE MUST BE BORN AGAIN'! John 3:3. We even see that at the wedding (Matt. 22:8-14) that something is required! Who believes that from Adam on ALL WERE REQUIRED TO BE BORN AGAIN? (besides me?)
--Elijah

 

[Solo]

Before Adam & Eve sinned they were created 'VERY GOOD'. (perfect, unless one belives God creates flawed goods?)

They were WARNED in Gen. 3:3 'But of the fruit of the tree [which is in the midst of the garden], God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither touch it, [Least ye die]'. We mostly all know the story there? But this is the question.. after Adam & Eve sinned, we see that THEY BOTH BECAME NAKED of something! They both also from that time started to die, and in time they did.

OK: Christ later documented that 'YE MUST BE BORN AGAIN'! John 3:3. We even see that at the wedding (Matt. 22:8-14) that something is required! Who believes that from Adam on ALL WERE REQUIRED TO BE BORN AGAIN? (besides me?)
--Elijah

Me. Unless one is born again through belief in the REDEEMER and SAVIOR, one cannot see or enter the kingdom of God. All those who remain in unbelief will not enter the promised land.

 

[Ret]

AND, there is another way to say JOHN 3:3....

Mic 6:8
8 He has told you, O man, what is good; And what does the LORD require of you
But to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God? NASU

 

[Elijah674]

Before Adam & Eve sinned they were created 'VERY GOOD'. (perfect, unless one belives God creates flawed goods?)

They were WARNED in Gen. 3:3 'But of the fruit of the tree [which is in the midst of the garden], God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither touch it, [Least ye die]'. We mostly all know the story there? But this is the question.. after Adam & Eve sinned, we see that THEY BOTH BECAME NAKED of something! They both also from that time started to die, and in time they did.

OK: Christ later documented that 'YE MUST BE BORN AGAIN'! John 3:3. We even see that at the wedding (Matt. 22:8-14) that something is required! Who believes that from Adam on ALL WERE REQUIRED TO BE BORN AGAIN? (besides me?)
--Elijah

Me. Unless one is born again through belief in the REDEEMER and SAVIOR, one cannot see or enter the kingdom of God. All those who remain in unbelief will not enter the promised land.

OK me, ;) me again with another question. Because that Adam was with the Highest Required Saved Perfection that mankind could ever have with the Rightous Garment of Eternal Christ, what does that tell us about the doctrine of being once saved and then always saved?
--Elijah

 

[Elijah674]

AND, there is another way to say JOHN 3:3....

Mic 6:8
8 He has told you, O man, what is good; And what does the LORD require of you
But to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God? NASU

Hi! Elijah here:
Adam fell from Grace, right? He at once started a slow death. He.. as seems to be agreed on? needed to once again to be REBORN with all of mankinds REQUIREMENT to his original first birth. God documented this as Truth in Gen. 3:3.

OK?? If so, we see that from Adam on ALL are lost both the first death & the second eternal death. Regardless of the thought of this sentence, here is your remark about LOVE from my standpoint. ;)

All of mankind were created in the Image of God. (God Is Love!) After Adam sinned he started his eternal death march downward. (the PLAN of Salvation became necessary, but not yet, later !)

OK: Did Adam & Eve still LOVE?? Do you suppose that they Loved Cain who they surely felt responsible for his rebellion?? And today I ask the same question, do even non/Christians still have 'some' LOVE left from the original creation?? In other words, mankind has not lost all of the created LIFE qualities that God had created them with.

But, is that good enough?? It is stated by Christ that we MUST BE BORN AGAIN. Right back to the original 'First Birth' state of SPIRITUAL Adam before he fell from Grace. (compare Rom. 8:1's IN CHRIST)

Ask ourself: If this was not True, and if we all still had this True Agape Love.. STILL WITH IN US, why would Christ needed to have died? So as 'i' see it? The LOVE that even all mankind still possess is not good enough, and many of the Gentile world do not even realize that even their will/power is Godsent. Some who had quit bad habbits, such as smoking & the like, while not even having Christian motives per/say, say I quite, and do not even realize that it was with the power of God that all mankind still possess from their original creation. And so it is with LOVE even!

 

[Ret]

Hi! Elijah here:
Adam fell from Grace, right? He at once started a slow death. He..

Adam fell from Grace, right?....Gen 2:25 says that they (A&E) were 'naked and not ashamed' when they were created, (before the incident with the serpent at the tree). A&E were not aware of their nakedness, because it was after they ate the forbidden friut, THEN their eyes were opened (Gen3:7) to see their nakedness. 1 Cor 15 expands on the condition of A&E.

1 Cor 15:45-48
45 ...The first man Adam was made a living soul;
the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural;
and afterward that which is spiritual.
47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly,
such are they also that are heavenly. KJV

As far as being 'BORN AGAIN' (Jn 3:3).....I was 'BORN AGAIN', in the plan of God, before
the foundation of the world. In Christ I was 'BORN AGAIN' at calvary. Presently, I die daily,
which means I am also 'BORN AGAIN' daily. In all this, it is God's work that counts.
The work I do, is nothing compared to what he does in and through me.

Eph 2:10
10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works,
which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. KJV

 

[Elijah674]

Hi! Elijah here:
Adam fell from Grace, right? He at once started a slow death. He..

Adam fell from Grace, right?....Gen 2:25 says that they (A&E) were 'naked and not ashamed' when they were created, (before the incident with the serpent at the tree). A&E were not aware of their nakedness, because it was after they ate the forbidden friut, THEN their eyes were opened (Gen3:7) to see their nakedness. 1 Cor 15 expands on the condition of A&E.

1 Cor 15:45-48
45 ...The first man Adam was made a living soul;
the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural;
and afterward that which is spiritual.
47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly,
such are they also that are heavenly. KJV

As far as being 'BORN AGAIN' (Jn 3:3).....I was 'BORN AGAIN', in the plan of God, before
the foundation of the world. In Christ I was 'BORN AGAIN' at calvary. Presently, I die daily,
which means I am also 'BORN AGAIN' daily. In all this, it is God's work that counts.
The work I do, is nothing compared to what he does in and through me.

Eph 2:10
10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works,
which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. KJV

OK: I am interested in the IN & OUT, IN & OUT of Christ?? (Rom. 8:1) And 'i' wonder about an Born Again person being still CARNAL?? Does not this SPIRITUAL Born Again ones 'HEART & MIND' (New Covenant) now control the still carnal body?? Surely it is not to be the other way around!!

And one more question, 1 John 5:16-17 tell's of a sin not unto death, (all sin brings the first death) then the SIN UNTO DEATH. have you got the answer for me on these same sins, with two different ENDINGS?? (Jame 1:15 even talks of a FINISHED ENDING)
--Elijah

 

[Solo]

Before Adam & Eve sinned they were created 'VERY GOOD'. (perfect, unless one belives God creates flawed goods?)

They were WARNED in Gen. 3:3 'But of the fruit of the tree [which is in the midst of the garden], God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither touch it, [Least ye die]'. We mostly all know the story there? But this is the question.. after Adam & Eve sinned, we see that THEY BOTH BECAME NAKED of something! They both also from that time started to die, and in time they did.

OK: Christ later documented that 'YE MUST BE BORN AGAIN'! John 3:3. We even see that at the wedding (Matt. 22:8-14) that something is required! Who believes that from Adam on ALL WERE REQUIRED TO BE BORN AGAIN? (besides me?)
--Elijah

Me. Unless one is born again through belief in the REDEEMER and SAVIOR, one cannot see or enter the kingdom of God. All those who remain in unbelief will not enter the promised land.

OK me, ;) me again with another question. Because that Adam was with the Highest Required Saved Perfection that mankind could ever have with the Rightous Garment of Eternal Christ, what does that tell us about the doctrine of being once saved and then always saved?
--Elijah

Adam is NOT the "Highest Required Saved Perfection that mankind could ever have with the Righteous Garment of Eternal Christ." All who are born again are BRAND NEW CREATURES having never before been alive. Adam was not an individual who was born again until His belief in God the REDEEMER AND SAVIOUR after his transgression. In other words, the pre-fall Adam is not the same human creation that the post-Jesus Christ believer is. Adam could fall because he was not born of God (he was created of God), while those who are born again are born of God. This is a GREAT, BIG DIFFERENCE. (Caps are not shouting, just emphasis)

Adam was not secure in Christ Jesus because God told him that if he ate of the tree, he would surely die; God tells us that if we believe in Jesus Christ we will not be condemned, but have eternal life.

 

[Ret]

OK: I am interested in the IN & OUT, IN & OUT of Christ?? (Rom. 8:1) And 'i' wonder about an Born Again person being still CARNAL?? [/b]Does not this SPIRITUAL Born Again ones 'HEART & MIND' (New Covenant) now control the still carnal body?? Surely it is not to be the other way around!!

Rom 6:12-14
12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: ...
14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

Gal 2:20
20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me:
and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God,
who loved me, and gave himself for me.

Rom 8:23
23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit,
even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit,
the redemption of our body.

Scripture KJV w/emphasis by Ret

In the born-again believer, SIN does NOT control, does NOT reign....it does remain.
As long as we retain this flesh we GROAN within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit,
the redemption of our body.

 

[Ret]

And one more question, 1 John 5:16-17 tell's of a sin not unto death, (all sin brings the first death) then the SIN UNTO DEATH[/size]. have you got the answer for me on these same sins, with two different ENDINGS?? (Jame 1:15 even talks of a FINISHED ENDING)
--Elijah

Possibly another thread or topic??