or just focus on the NT.
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Brainwashing
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Not_Now.Soon
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There was a study on Mathew a while ago. Lots of posts, and I'm sure it tangented a few times, but a lot of good info too.
Bible Study - WELCOME TO AN IN DEPTH STUDY OF MATTHEW'S GOSPEL.
We are continuing our daily Bible studies with the Gospel of Matthew. We have just completed the Book of Genesis. jasonc, suggested that we study Matthew and then go back into the Old Testament for a study in Exodus. Reba and I would love to have any member of CF.net join us in this in depth...
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Then by knowing only,the my you,have no history of why ,or true understanding of why jesus had to come.
Then there's ad 70,prophecies by Jesus,
Your house shall lay desolate until ye say.
There shall not one stone be left upon one another ..
An incomplete image of God Wil happen.
Then there's ad 70,prophecies by Jesus,
Your house shall lay desolate until ye say.
There shall not one stone be left upon one another ..
An incomplete image of God Wil happen.
2000 post thread?? ??
Not_Now.Soon
Member
We can start a fresh one on any other book. We can do it on Mathew too, but I just figured that that thread would have more in it then I could offer.
So you are against God destroying our enemies? You know they bring God's judgement upon themselves for trying to destroy those who are His own by faith In God and His Son Christ Jesus.
BTW, you might want to throw the NT away also for the violence written there that came against Christ and His disciples.
Do you even read or listen to the news reports of all the violence that is happening in America? Go back to 9/11 and work your way up to 2020 and you say people are safe!!!
Christ_empowered
Member
((just to shift the convo back on topic, a bit...))
I do think -some- churches brainwash people. My lovely, Christian friend, for instance...I think she's been semi-brainwashed by hyper-super-duper-right wing factions of Christendom.
Obviously, I lean left. In the US, I'd be pegged a Sanders voter (I'd actually prefer Warren, but..whatever...), and maybe even a "radical." I'm not a "radical," although I did have my (pointless) flirtation with Marxism 101. Over it, God is Good! Moving on...
She's say things that preachers or maybe the TV Christian personalities have said that are...not.actually.true , and I just have to kind of talk around it, lest I open up a can of worms best left sealed.
My -problem- is that I do.not.think God is either GOP or DNC. God is God, He reveals some of His character, His work in this world to us thru Scripture, some thru testimonies, some thru human means of pursuing knowledge...
and it -scares- me that someone I thought I knew is being taken in by people who are pushing Jesus, but with an ulterior motive. And I say "pushing Jesus," because with all the $$$ -some- mostly very, very, very right-wing Christian experts and preachers, etc. make...
I do kind of wonder, at times...is The Good News just another commodity, to them? A ticket to wealth, to move on up?
And now I'm finished...for now
I do think -some- churches brainwash people. My lovely, Christian friend, for instance...I think she's been semi-brainwashed by hyper-super-duper-right wing factions of Christendom.
Obviously, I lean left. In the US, I'd be pegged a Sanders voter (I'd actually prefer Warren, but..whatever...), and maybe even a "radical." I'm not a "radical," although I did have my (pointless) flirtation with Marxism 101. Over it, God is Good! Moving on...
She's say things that preachers or maybe the TV Christian personalities have said that are...not.actually.true , and I just have to kind of talk around it, lest I open up a can of worms best left sealed.
My -problem- is that I do.not.think God is either GOP or DNC. God is God, He reveals some of His character, His work in this world to us thru Scripture, some thru testimonies, some thru human means of pursuing knowledge...
and it -scares- me that someone I thought I knew is being taken in by people who are pushing Jesus, but with an ulterior motive. And I say "pushing Jesus," because with all the $$$ -some- mostly very, very, very right-wing Christian experts and preachers, etc. make...
I do kind of wonder, at times...is The Good News just another commodity, to them? A ticket to wealth, to move on up?
And now I'm finished...for now
((just to shift the convo back on topic, a bit...))
I do think -some- churches brainwash people. My lovely, Christian friend, for instance...I think she's been semi-brainwashed by hyper-super-duper-right wing factions of Christendom.
Obviously, I lean left. In the US, I'd be pegged a Sanders voter (I'd actually prefer Warren, but..whatever...), and maybe even a "radical." I'm not a "radical," although I did have my (pointless) flirtation with Marxism 101. Over it, God is Good! Moving on...
She's say things that preachers or maybe the TV Christian personalities have said that are...not.actually.true , and I just have to kind of talk around it, lest I open up a can of worms best left sealed.
My -problem- is that I do.not.think God is either GOP or DNC. God is God, He reveals some of His character, His work in this world to us thru Scripture, some thru testimonies, some thru human means of pursuing knowledge...
and it -scares- me that someone I thought I knew is being taken in by people who are pushing Jesus, but with an ulterior motive. And I say "pushing Jesus," because with all the $$$ -some- mostly very, very, very right-wing Christian experts and preachers, etc. make...
I do kind of wonder, at times...is The Good News just another commodity, to them? A ticket to wealth, to move on up?
And now I'm finished...for now
The brainwashing comes when people would rather believe every word that comes out of the pulpit without searching and study the scriptures so they are not being deceived. This becomes very dangerous for our learning as we would rather believe the Pastors who went to cemetery, Oops, I mean Seminary Colleges, but yet lack Spiritual knowledge as they were never taught by the Holy Spirit as they only have a carnal understanding. (I'm not saying all Pastor, but the majority).
I can say this as I was a Pastor follower at one time until the Holy Spirit opened my eyes.
Christ_empowered
Member
i never thought of it that way, but...yeah. they're abusing the needs and goodness of people (such as my friend) who were raised to show utmost respect to ministers and other church leaders. -despicable-
we can brainwash ourselves. do you trust every thought you have?
Not_Now.Soon
Member
Christ_empowered, for_his_glory, and humble soul.
All three of you believe that parts of Christianity and politics has people brainwashed?
People get duped, tricked, and conned. Sometimes we get swayed away in a social hype of some philosophy or some cause. But more often I think people are are misguided, and misunderstand without an active person trying to sway the public to be how they want them to be.
No one is being brainwashed.
I watched one of my family look to be healed, and she went to several healing conventions trying to listen to a guy who promises everything in front of a crowd. With sadness I can say I understand those who were sick, or had family members who were sick and sought Jesus for healing. There is a need to seek solutions because there is suffering and ailments that many people have. And thus there is a market for selling hope, regardless if it actually comes true or not.
Tell me, are they all brainwashed, because they seek healing? Even if the person is just there for the money and can't do anything, they are only conmen, not brainwashers.
I've seen popular causes and anger boil over human rights, the enviornment, defending God, and anger demanding justice against several groups of people, including police officers and clergymen. Are these people brainwashed? The politics that drive people into a social hype are not brainwashing either, though I do suspect a lot of minuplation goes on in the political world and the stage of media coverage. Misinformation, raised emotions, and the likes are part of the issues we have in the world. But that's the world we live in. It is not brainwashing either. We must wear the armor of God that Paul describes in one of his letters to protect ourselves from Satan's schemes.
I've heard a few sermons that I can't agree with. But I know better because I've read the bible and I can hold a solid foundation to measure someone else's sermon by. With correct knowledge people can step away from lies and misinformation, from cons and tricks, and from raised emotions meant to get a reaction.
Don't let the emotional language of "brainwashed" cause any emotions outside of those that you would if you got tricked and lied to by a conman on the street. Nothing greater then that is going on. Move on and be done with it all.
All three of you believe that parts of Christianity and politics has people brainwashed?
People get duped, tricked, and conned. Sometimes we get swayed away in a social hype of some philosophy or some cause. But more often I think people are are misguided, and misunderstand without an active person trying to sway the public to be how they want them to be.
No one is being brainwashed.
I watched one of my family look to be healed, and she went to several healing conventions trying to listen to a guy who promises everything in front of a crowd. With sadness I can say I understand those who were sick, or had family members who were sick and sought Jesus for healing. There is a need to seek solutions because there is suffering and ailments that many people have. And thus there is a market for selling hope, regardless if it actually comes true or not.
Tell me, are they all brainwashed, because they seek healing? Even if the person is just there for the money and can't do anything, they are only conmen, not brainwashers.
I've seen popular causes and anger boil over human rights, the enviornment, defending God, and anger demanding justice against several groups of people, including police officers and clergymen. Are these people brainwashed? The politics that drive people into a social hype are not brainwashing either, though I do suspect a lot of minuplation goes on in the political world and the stage of media coverage. Misinformation, raised emotions, and the likes are part of the issues we have in the world. But that's the world we live in. It is not brainwashing either. We must wear the armor of God that Paul describes in one of his letters to protect ourselves from Satan's schemes.
I've heard a few sermons that I can't agree with. But I know better because I've read the bible and I can hold a solid foundation to measure someone else's sermon by. With correct knowledge people can step away from lies and misinformation, from cons and tricks, and from raised emotions meant to get a reaction.
Don't let the emotional language of "brainwashed" cause any emotions outside of those that you would if you got tricked and lied to by a conman on the street. Nothing greater then that is going on. Move on and be done with it all.
Not_Now.Soon
Member
Let me put it another way, and put the issue of brainwashing to bed. A few years back there was an anti-Christian philosophy that tried to link teaching your kids based on your faith to the same level as child abuse.
Why you ask?! (You should ask anyways). Because people say that religion is indoctrination and brainwashing. Therefore teaching your kids about God and and Jesus to some people is argued pasionetely as child abuse. They would say that we should not teach our kids the things we know, and let them come to their own conclusions when they are older. Perhaps we should not let them go to school until they are twenty by that logic. Past the point where kids learn so easily, and pick up on the things being taught.
But what does the bible teach? We should teach our kids the right path while they are young, and then they will not falter from it. So parents teach your kids to the best that you are able. Raise them up to know God, know the value of work and school, be kind, and hold all the values that we have to offer them.
I'm telling you why there was a philosophy to censor parents from teaching their children how to be, it was because of the hyped emotions from terms like brainwashing and indoctrinated.
Cut that lingo out. Throw it away from yourself so you don't get caught up in deceptive philosophies. And don't let the hype fool you.
Why you ask?! (You should ask anyways). Because people say that religion is indoctrination and brainwashing. Therefore teaching your kids about God and and Jesus to some people is argued pasionetely as child abuse. They would say that we should not teach our kids the things we know, and let them come to their own conclusions when they are older. Perhaps we should not let them go to school until they are twenty by that logic. Past the point where kids learn so easily, and pick up on the things being taught.
But what does the bible teach? We should teach our kids the right path while they are young, and then they will not falter from it. So parents teach your kids to the best that you are able. Raise them up to know God, know the value of work and school, be kind, and hold all the values that we have to offer them.
I'm telling you why there was a philosophy to censor parents from teaching their children how to be, it was because of the hyped emotions from terms like brainwashing and indoctrinated.
Cut that lingo out. Throw it away from yourself so you don't get caught up in deceptive philosophies. And don't let the hype fool you.
Young people are being brainwashed to think they can choose their own gender or to be nonbinary. Crazy in my view. maybe i am getting too old.
Not_Now.Soon
Member
That's just kids being young and dumb. More often they don't know their left from their right. That's how we all were when we were young. Though I remember the issues were more about finding a girlfriend and putting more importance on that then there should have been. Instead of trying to recreate your self-image through new gender steryotypes.
When I hear the word brainwash within religion it brings to mind of Jim Jones commune in Jonestown, Guyana and also the Branch Davidians led by David Koresh in Waco, TX. People put their faith in man as these types of leaders become their own god and others worship them. People do not even know they are being deceived by a twisted word of God as everything sounds good and right to them.
We see many churches teaching a twisted word and adding to and taking away from truth. These Pastors are not Jim Jones or David Koresh type of leaders, but yet have followers that believe every word that comes out of their mouth. I use to be one of those followers many years ago as I had little knowledge or understanding until I got into the word for myself and started questioning some of the things they were teaching.
Not_Now.Soon like you said and I quote you, "With correct knowledge people can step away from lies and misinformation, from cons and tricks, and from raised emotions meant to get a reaction.
Many of us have as the Holy Spirit has worked through others to help us see the light of truth as we continue to mature in the word of God. Unfortunately, not everyone will.
We see many churches teaching a twisted word and adding to and taking away from truth. These Pastors are not Jim Jones or David Koresh type of leaders, but yet have followers that believe every word that comes out of their mouth. I use to be one of those followers many years ago as I had little knowledge or understanding until I got into the word for myself and started questioning some of the things they were teaching.
Not_Now.Soon like you said and I quote you, "With correct knowledge people can step away from lies and misinformation, from cons and tricks, and from raised emotions meant to get a reaction.
Many of us have as the Holy Spirit has worked through others to help us see the light of truth as we continue to mature in the word of God. Unfortunately, not everyone will.
ISIS
Radicalisation
Holy Jihad
virgins in Heaven reward
suicide bombing
Allah Akbah
"anyone non Muslim is the enemy"
Radicalisation
Holy Jihad
virgins in Heaven reward
suicide bombing
Allah Akbah
"anyone non Muslim is the enemy"
Not_Now.Soon
Member
I can't argue with those. I don't know enough about Islam to know if there is anything in it to defend against ISIS like mentalities, radicalization, and suicide bombing. I know the dynamic within Christianity is not to kill nonbelievers and atheists, so there is a dynamic of doubt and facing the doubts in society. With Islam, I have no idea if there is anything like that to rock the boat enough to not be brainwashed and manipulated and hostile.
What truly is at the heart of the Islamists hatred today is no different than that which fueled Mohammed's hatred as he wrote the Quran. It is the belief and goal of a one-world, global Islamic empire run by Quranic Law whereby everyone must, in the end, convert to their fundamentalist ideology or face beheading. The hatred that fuels this theocracy dates back to Ishmael and his son-in-law Esau, and from there, compounded to form the foundations of Islamicism which is the reason why most of the world conflicts today involve Muslims.
Mohammed claimed descent from Ishmael's son Kedar). At the age of 25, Mohammed married a 40 year-old wealthy, widow named Khadijah who owned trading caravans. Traveling as a representative of Khadija's various business interests, Mohammed was exposed to many Jews and Christians and became enthralled by their theology, particularly their concept of a single deity. It was at this time he began to envision a single, united Arab state under a single 'god.'
Secular history records that in 610, by which time Mohammed had become the leader of his tribe, he was in a cave meditating and seeking to discover which of the jinni was indeed most powerful and worthy to become the tribal jinni of his family.
Jihad
As new Islamic recruits began arriving in Mecca, they were without money and resources and realizing this, Mohammed and his recruits began raiding neighboring tribal settlements and passing caravans using the booty to fund his vision of a united, Islamist empire. Caravan raiding was a practice widely practiced by Arab tribes and was used as a means to maintain a balance in power. This is where the Muslim doctrine of 'Jihad' was first instituted.
Mohammed claimed descent from Ishmael's son Kedar). At the age of 25, Mohammed married a 40 year-old wealthy, widow named Khadijah who owned trading caravans. Traveling as a representative of Khadija's various business interests, Mohammed was exposed to many Jews and Christians and became enthralled by their theology, particularly their concept of a single deity. It was at this time he began to envision a single, united Arab state under a single 'god.'
Secular history records that in 610, by which time Mohammed had become the leader of his tribe, he was in a cave meditating and seeking to discover which of the jinni was indeed most powerful and worthy to become the tribal jinni of his family.
Jihad
As new Islamic recruits began arriving in Mecca, they were without money and resources and realizing this, Mohammed and his recruits began raiding neighboring tribal settlements and passing caravans using the booty to fund his vision of a united, Islamist empire. Caravan raiding was a practice widely practiced by Arab tribes and was used as a means to maintain a balance in power. This is where the Muslim doctrine of 'Jihad' was first instituted.
Not_Now.Soon
Member
What you say might be true for_his_glory. But I know there's more to it then just this. The hatred within Islam does not unite it. Instead what we see is fractions within the religion, and warring between it's leaders and the people. Human nature when it gets involved with power is a stronger dividing ailment then a one world rule fueled by a common hatred. Both politically and religiously, Islam is at war with itself, and with the world.