By Nature Children of Wrath as others !

[Fastfredy0]

understand you no longer want to communicate when your doctrine doesnt line up with scripture.

I didn't give a reason to stop communication because i didn't want to hurt your feelings.

 

[Fastfredy0]

I'm still waiting for your explanation of how a 1282 N.A. Indian has a chance to be saved.
Your answer:

The same way Abraham was saved.

By obeying the Lord.

Premise 1: Romans 11:32 For God has consigned everyone to disobedience so that He may have mercy on everyone.
Premise 2: The 1282 Indian can be saved by obeying (JLB)
Conclusion: *DING* *DING* ... I'm sorry, if your method salvation is IMPOSSIBLE / INVALID. It is a contradiction. Something cannot "A is not non-A," or that something cannot be true and not true at the same time and in the same sense.

Aside: Abraham was saved by faith (not obedience) Romans 4:3, 22; Galatians 3:6 and James 2:23

Galatians 1:8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be under a curse!
Congratulations ... although several people have said they believed the 1282 N.A. Indian could be saved, none wisely dared suggest what the way is.

 

[Hopeful]

This statement lacks foundation but I agree. No One Seeks God. Thus the 1282 N.A. Indian is in hell.

I rejoice in God almighty who is the loving "foundation" you can't see through your chosen doctrine.

I hope not as I do not think He finds anything in man to be worthy of respect. Dualism believes in 'free will' ... the self-determination of man that enables him to chose God independent of God. This, they feel, is rewarded by God respect as He is obligated by this self-determination to adopt them as His sons.
I, on the other hand, believe we are ONLY rewarded for what He has done.

It amazes me that you think folks who never gave a second thought to Christianity will be eventually saved on the day of judgement.
I mean, if we have no part in our own salvation, what is the point of doing anything at all?
Why believe, or turn from sin?
Why confess past sins and get baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of past sins?
Why endure till the end...as Jesus prophesied. (Matt 24:13)

 

[JLB]

I didn't give a reason to stop communication because i didn't want to hurt your feelings.

I want you to receive light and truth so you will turn away from teaching God’s people man made doctrine.

 

[JLB]

I'm still waiting for your explanation of how a 1282 N.A. Indian has a chance to be saved.
Your answer:

The same way Abraham was saved. By obeying the Lord.


By faith Abraham obeyed when he was called to go out to the place which he would receive as an inheritance. And he went out, not knowing where he was going. Hebrews 11:8


And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel to Abraham beforehand, saying, “In you all the nations shall be blessed.” So then those who are of faith are blessed with believing Abraham. Galatians 3:8-9

• So then those who are of faith are blessed with believing Abraham

JLB

 

[for_his_glory]

If a man does the above naturally, he will be judged worthy of eternal life by his conscience.
"For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:" (Rom 2:14)
"But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God." (Rom 2:29)

Romans 1:18-25 is God's wrath on unrighteousness as no one is without excuse before Him as His word has gone out into the world and the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, but the ones Satan has blinded can not see God and can not hear Him calling them to salvation as their hearts have become hardened towards Him.

Rom 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
Rom 1:19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Rom 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
Rom 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
Rom 1:23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
Rom 1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
Rom 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

 

[JLB]

Premise 1: Romans 11:32 For God has consigned everyone to disobedience so that He may have mercy on everyone.
Premise 2: The 1282 Indian can be saved by obeying (JLB)
Conclusion: *DING* *DING* ... I'm sorry, if your method salvation is IMPOSSIBLE / INVALID. It is a contradiction. Something cannot "A is not non-A," or that something cannot be true and not true at the same time and in the same sense.

That’s your premise an conclusion based on your doctrine which not biblical. Most of what you post is your opinion tagged with a scripture reference that is taken out of context.

No one is saved apart from obedience.


For as you were once disobedient to God, yet have now obtained mercy through their disobedience, even so these also have now been disobedient, that through the mercy shown you they also may obtain mercy. For God has committed them all to disobedience, that He might have mercy on all. Romans 11:30-32

• For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all. Romans 11:32 KJV

The word committed means to conclude, which is to group together.

God has concluded that all have been disobedient.



Your unbiblical perspective seems to be that God made all mankind disobedient to Him, so He could save them?


Is that what you are trying to promote?



JLB

 

[Fastfredy0]

Gal. 5:2-3

John Wesley Commentary​

Gal. 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

Therefore Christ is become of no effect to you - Who seek to be justified by the law. Ye are fallen from grace - Ye renounce the new covenant. Ye disclaim the benefit of this gracious dispensation.

Tom Constable Commentary Gal. 5:2-4
The legalists appear to have been claiming that circumcision was a necessary step in the process by which people become acceptable to God. These steps from their viewpoint were faith in Christ, reception of the Spirit, and circumcision of the flesh. Paul argued that anyone who submits to circumcision to gain acceptance with God really believes in salvation by law-keeping. If one believes in law-keeping for salvation, he must keep the whole Law, not just the requirement of circumcision. That is impossible for sinners to do. Rather than gaining acceptance with God, circumcision would be what separated them from Christ.

John MacArthur Gal. 5:4
A third consequence of seeking to be justified by circumcision or any other form of the law, is that it causes a person to become severed from Christ and thereby become fallen from grace. Severed is from katarge image (Image) , which, when followed by the preposition, means to be separated or loosed from (cf. Rom. 7:2, 6). Fallen is from ehpipt image (Image) , which means to lose one’s grasp on something. Simply stated, a person cannot live by both law and grace. To attempt to be justified by law is to reject the way of grace.

Bridgeway Bible Commentary Gal. 5:2-4​

If circumcision is necessary for salvation, Christ is of no use. Also, those who want to keep the law about circumcision must keep the whole law. They cannot choose one command and ignore others to suit themselves. If they try to find salvation through law-keeping, they cut themselves off from the salvation that comes from Christ through God’s grace

V. Chueng Gal. 5:4
Now since those who rely on the works of law must "live by them," and since they can never achieve perfect obedience to the law, all those who seek justification in this matter are doomed to eternal condemnation. Since the way of faith is the way of reliance on Christ for salvation, those who rely on observing the law instead are cut off from faith, and cut off from Christ(Galatians 5:4).

 

[JLB]

Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

Amen.

Do you know of anyone who believes we are saved by keeping the law of Moses?

 

[JLB]

Gal. 5:2-3

John Wesley Commentary​

Gal. 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

Therefore Christ is become of no effect to you - Who seek to be justified by the law. Ye are fallen from grace - Ye renounce the new covenant. Ye disclaim the benefit of this gracious dispensation.

Tom Constable Commentary Gal. 5:2-4
The legalists appear to have been claiming that circumcision was a necessary step in the process by which people become acceptable to God. These steps from their viewpoint were faith in Christ, reception of the Spirit, and circumcision of the flesh. Paul argued that anyone who submits to circumcision to gain acceptance with God really believes in salvation by law-keeping. If one believes in law-keeping for salvation, he must keep the whole Law, not just the requirement of circumcision. That is impossible for sinners to do. Rather than gaining acceptance with God, circumcision would be what separated them from Christ.

John MacArthur Gal. 5:4
A third consequence of seeking to be justified by circumcision or any other form of the law, is that it causes a person to become severed from Christ and thereby become fallen from grace. Severed is from katarge image (Image) , which, when followed by the preposition, means to be separated or loosed from (cf. Rom. 7:2, 6). Fallen is from ehpipt image (Image) , which means to lose one’s grasp on something. Simply stated, a person cannot live by both law and grace. To attempt to be justified by law is to reject the way of grace.

Bridgeway Bible Commentary Gal. 5:2-4​

If circumcision is necessary for salvation, Christ is of no use. Also, those who want to keep the law about circumcision must keep the whole law. They cannot choose one command and ignore others to suit themselves. If they try to find salvation through law-keeping, they cut themselves off from the salvation that comes from Christ through God’s grace

V. Chueng Gal. 5:4
Now since those who rely on the works of law must "live by them," and since they can never achieve perfect obedience to the law, all those who seek justification in this matter are doomed to eternal condemnation. Since the way of faith is the way of reliance on Christ for salvation, those who rely on observing the law instead are cut off from faith, and cut off from Christ(Galatians 5:4).

I have asked this before, with no answer, maybe you are ready to answer now that you have had time to consult with those whom you follow.



Do you believe that obeying the Lord Jesus Christ is the same as the works of the law of Moses?





JLB