"Traditions" as I mention them are beliefs and or teachings that are practices and beliefs that have been handed down over the centuries by the Catholic Church, and are not validated by the Scriptures.
I surely would like to know what those practices are.
I know that the CC does have some practices that are out of the biblical realm even though they can explain the reasons for those practices...I can even agree to some but not all.
I'd have to disagree, however, as to the meaning of the word "traditions" which really should read Traditions.
Traditions in the CC do not mean practices that were handed down that are unbiblical.
It means THE TEACHINGS OF THE EARLY CHURCH FATHERS that acquired these Traditions from The Apostles.
That other stuff to which you're alluding and to which I agree somewhat, are truly traditions and not Traditions.
These traditions are deeply rooted in the history and culture of Catholicism.
As long as we agree on what Traditions means, we will agree.
It has nothing to do with culture.
Italians have little votive candles in their h ome (if they're a believer) and maybe even a pix of the Pope.
This is CULTURAL,,,,but is not a Tradition of the CC. The Apostles did not teach the next generation to do this.
As for Mary being God....I do not recall posting that and I glanced through the thread and did not see it.
No worries.
You sound too intelligent to state something like that.
My bad.
What I did say was that some Catholics believe Mary is above other women because she birthed the Son of God. The Bible does not say Mary was blessed ABOVE other women but AMONG other women.
Yes, well....I believe the above too.
We Protestants refuse to give Mary her due.
I didn't birth Jesus.
Mary did.
I think she's a tad above me.
She is FULL OF GRACE.
Overflowing...no more room.
I HAVE GRACE. And h as been gifted to me by God.
Mary's entire purpose in HER life was to give life to the Son.
Traditions example......Mary is the mother of God. That is not found in the Bible.
How would you like it to be said in the bible?
Mary gave birth to Jesus.
Is Jesus God?
If not, then you're right.
If Jesus is God then we have a problem here that is caused by stating that Mary is not the mother of God.
As I see the problem here is that when one speaks of GOD, God FATHER comes to mind.
Not Jesus, the 2nd Person of the Holy Trinity.
BUT if Jesus is God we must say that Mary is the Mother of God or all sorts of problematics arise.
It comes from Jesus being God in the flesh so then Mary birthed God. In many eyes of some people that equates to the divinity of Mary.
I thought you said that you did not state that Mary is divine?
"In many eyes of some people"
Those people can believe what they wish....
we're discussing doctrine of the CC.
The CC does not teach that Mary is divine.
(being like God or God-like)
Not only that, but the the word
until in Matthew 1:25 clearly indicates that Joseph and Mary did have normal sexual relations after Jesus was born. Mary remained a virgin until the Savior’s birth, but later Joseph and Mary had several children together. Jesus had four half-brothers: James, Joseph, Simon, and Judas (
Matthew 13:55) and at least two half sisters.(Matthew 15:35-37)
I refrain from this. I don't know, and I think NO ONE knows, what happened after Jesus was born.
An early Father has written that Mary remained a virgin, but I hesitate to get into this discussion.
I will say that the children that you speak of are spoken of as cousins. I had done a little study on this some years ago and found the matter to be very complicated.
My final belief, as of right now, is that they were either cousins, or, what I prefer, offspring of Joseph from another wife.
For instance, if Jesus had other brothers, why would he commit his mother to John?
Traditions example......."Immaculate Conception of Mary". That is not found anywhere in the Bible and is a Catholic tradition. The Bible doesn’t suggest Mary’s birth was anything but a normal human birth.
So God decided to place HIS SON, Jesus, in the womb of a human person that was tainted and under the oppression of the sin nature?
Difficult to believe.
Mary was FULL OF GRACE, as has been stated by me.
No room for the sin nature.
Tradition example........ "Assumption of Mary into Heaven and her Coronation as Queen."
NO where in the Bible is there to be found a suggestion of such a thing.
Others in the NT were assumed into heaven.
But I have to say that the assumption is based on concepts and not on biblical teaching IN HER CASE, although the OT does speak of assuption into heaven.
Elijah
Enoch
Moses?
Romans 3:23 says....."ALL have sinned and come short of the glory of God".
There is no......"Except Mary" anywhere in the Bible.
Did Paul have to have Mary in his mind at all times?
Was Paul even interested in Mary?
Where are all the verses about her by him?
Does this mean she didn't even really exist? (since he didn't mention her).
My sources come from many years of teaching the actual, literal Word of God.
Happy to know you read the bible.
Stuff happened even AFTER the book of Acts.
And, anyway, who do you believe assembled the bible?
Could it have been the CC in the 4th century?
Nice to know you're depending on a book the CC put together.
