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Bible Study CALLING ALL BIBLE STUDY ENTHUSIASTS! Come and join us for an indepth study of the Book of Deut.

Chapter 28
Deu 28:49 The LORD shall bring a nation against thee from far, from the end of the earth, as swift as the eagle flieth; a nation whose tongue thou shalt not understand;

Deu 28:68 And the LORD shall bring thee into Egypt again with ships, by the way whereof I spake unto thee, Thou shalt see it no more again: and there ye shall be sold unto your enemies for bondmen and bondwomen, and no man shall buy you.

I personally don't know of any time the Hebrew people were ever slaves in Egypt except when God brought them out of Egypt under Moses.
And again after the destruction of Jerusalem in AD70. :shrug

"This verse seems especially to point out an event, which took place subsequently to the destruction of Jerusalem by Titus, and the desolation made by Hadrian. Numbers of the captives were sent by sea into Egypt (as well as into other countries), and sold for slaves at a vile price, and for the meanest offices; and many thousands were left to perish from want; for the multitude was so great, that purchasers could not be found for them all at any price!"

http://www.biblestudytools.com/concordances/treasury-of-scripture-knowledge/deuteronomy-28-68.html
 
Chapter 29
Chopper your post inspired me to look closer at this verse. :)

YLT
Deu 29:29 `The things hidden are to Jehovah our God, and the things revealed are to us and to our sons--to the age, to do all the words of this law.
Rom 16:25 And to Him who is able to establish you, according to my good news, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the secret, in the times of the ages having been kept silent,
Rom 16:26 and now having been made manifest, also, through prophetic writings, according to a command of the age-during God, having been made known to all the nations for obedience of faith--

Chapter 30
Deu 30:14 For very near unto thee is the word, in thy mouth, and in thy heart--to do it.
Rom 10:8 But what doth it say? `Nigh thee is the saying--in thy mouth, and in thy heart:' that is, the saying of the faith, that we preach;
Rom 10:9 that if thou mayest confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and mayest believe in thy heart that God did raise him out of the dead, thou shalt be saved,
Rom 10:10 for with the heart doth one believe to righteousness, and with the mouth is confession made to salvation;
Rom 10:11 for the Writing saith, `Every one who is believing on him shall not be ashamed,'
Isa 28:16 Therefore, thus said the Lord Jehovah: `Lo, I am laying a foundation in Zion, A stone--a tried stone, a corner stone precious, a settled foundation, He who is believing doth not make haste.
1Pe 2:6 Wherefore, also, it is contained in the Writing: `Lo, I lay in Zion a chief corner-stone, choice, precious, and he who is believing on him may not be put to shame;'

 
all the nations will say, ‘Why has the Lord done thus to this land? What caused the heat of this great anger?’ (Deu. 29:24 ESV)​

I hear that question all the time - Why did God allow a hurricane in Louisiana? Why did God allow a tornado in Oklahoma? Why did God allow an earthquake in China? Why did God allow wildfires in Australia? I could go on and on about the accusations people throw at God and ask why He allowed something evil to happen.

Then people will say, ‘It is because they abandoned the covenant of the Lord, the God of their fathers, which he made with them when he brought them out of the land of Egypt, and went and served other gods and worshiped them, gods whom they had not known and whom he had not allotted to them. (Deu. 29:25-26 ESV)​

And there's the answer. These things happen when we forsake God. But we can't say we haven't been warned. Just read chapter 28 again.

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What stands out for me most in chapter 30 is verses 11-14.

For this commandment that I command you today is not too hard for you, neither is it far off. It is not in heaven, that you should say, ‘Who will ascend to heaven for us and bring it to us, that we may hear it and do it?’ Neither is it beyond the sea, that you should say, ‘Who will go over the sea for us and bring it to us, that we may hear it and do it?’ But the word is very near you. It is in your mouth and in your heart, so that you can do it. (Deu. 30:11-14 ESV)
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Some people say that God gave Israel the commandments to prove that they couldn't keep the commandments that God gave them to prove that... I've never been able to figure out the "logic" behind that. And besides, these verses directly contradict that idea. It specifically says that the commandments are not too hard to keep. So why do we keep saying that it's impossible when God says that it is possible?

The TOG​
 
TOG said:
all the nations will say, ‘Why has the Lord done thus to this land? What caused the heat of this great anger?’ (Deu. 29:24 ESV)​

I hear that question all the time - Why did God allow a hurricane in Louisiana? Why did God allow a tornado in Oklahoma? Why did God allow an earthquake in China? Why did God allow wildfires in Australia? I could go on and on about the accusations people throw at God and ask why He allowed something evil to happen.

Then people will say, ‘It is because they abandoned the covenant of the Lord, the God of their fathers, which he made with them when he brought them out of the land of Egypt, and went and served other gods and worshiped them, gods whom they had not known and whom he had not allotted to them. (Deu. 29:25-26 ESV)​

And there's the answer. These things happen when we forsake God. But we can't say we haven't been warned. Just read chapter 28 again.

The TOG​
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America, China, etc. never entered into a covenant with God like Israel did ?
 
Deborah13 said:
America, China, etc. never entered into a covenant with God like Israel did ?
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That's an interesting question Deb, from what I can see, Israel was the only Nation that the covenant applied too. They in turn were supposed to follow it and then they would testify to the other nations what God expected of them. BUT, since Israel failed to obey the Covenant, no other nation had a role model to follow.
 
Deborah13 said:
America, China, etc. never entered into a covenant with God like Israel did ?
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Aren't you and I in a covenant relationship with God? And don't we claim to live in "Christian countries"? If we are going to claim, as many do (I don't know about you personally) that we are blessed because we live in a Christian country, then it logically follows that when our country forsakes God, then those blessings disappear and we get the curses instead. We can't have it both ways. We can't say that we deserve God's blessings when our country does something right, but that when our country does something wrong, then God shouldn't punish us, because we're not officially a Christian country.

The TOG​
 
TOG said:
Aren't you and I in a covenant relationship with God? And don't we claim to live in "Christian countries"? If we are going to claim, as many do (I don't know about you personally) that we are blessed because we live in a Christian country, then it logically follows that when our country forsakes God, then those blessings disappear and we get the curses instead. We can't have it both ways. We can't say that we deserve God's blessings when our country does something right, but that when our country does something wrong, then God shouldn't punish us, because we're not officially a Christian country.

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so off topic why did the puritans during 1789 allow idolatry?

its legal in the u.s.. I hate to state that but Isreal didn't allow that even amongst the goy in them when they are faithful.
 
jasonc said:
so off topic why did the puritans during 1789 allow idolatry?

its legal in the u.s.. I hate to state that but Isreal didn't allow that even amongst the goy in them when they are faithful.
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I'm not familiar with the history of the puritans. Did they allow idolatry within their own denomination or did they just allow outsiders to be idolaters?

The TOG​
 
TOG said:
I'm not familiar with the history of the puritans. Did they allow idolatry within their own denomination or did they just allow outsiders to be idolaters?

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the the ideas of the founders were pushed by the church. to allow the nation to have the first amemendment. that in context allows for jews to be free to not to believe. uhm what are they worshipping? it aint jesus. and it aint God. deny the son, deny the father.
 
A group of people do not need land to be a group of people... Christians are a holy nation... We are all over the globe. The Children of Israel were a nation while enslaved to Egypt.
 
reba said:
A group of people do not need land to be a group of people... Christians are a holy nation... We are all over the globe. The Children of Israel were a nation while enslaved to Egypt.
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Why did Yahweh promise Abraham a particular piece of land ?
 
Cause He want too. :shrug :)

That land came with conditions... Abe's kids were/are a nation . A nation that brought forth Jesus :sohappy

Gen 22:17 That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore; and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies;
Gen 22:18 And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice
 
I'm guessing you don't think Christians have inherited only the land given to Abraham.
 
Yes and He promised a tiny patch smaller than 25,000 square km to Israel I don't think we should begrudge that.
 
You seem to think i begrudge Israel? Not so

God promised Abe a lot more then 25,000 KM

Gen 15:18 In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates:

ADDED reba is off topic again... PM or start another thread... not fair of me... so have the last word @Agua :)
 
reba said:
You seem to think i begrudge Israel? Not so

God promised Abe a lot more then 25,000 KM

Gen 15:18 In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates:
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Cool ! Yes this land belongs to Israel.
 
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