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Calling evil good
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Shilohsfoal
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Alot of people call the two witnesses good even though they kill and torment people.
The two witnesses do everything Jesus says not to do.
The two witnesses do everything Jesus says not to do.
Is not their killing and tormenting justified?
God will do the same, at the end of time.
Shilohsfoal
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How is it justified if Christ has ordered them to treat others as they would be treated.
Matthew 7:12 - Ask, Seek, Knock
In everything, then, do to others as you would have them do to you. For this is the essence of the Law and the Prophets.
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I'd fully expect those two witnesses will be tormented by God.
And if anyone wants to harm them, fire proceeds from their mouth and devours their enemies. And if anyone wants to harm them, he must be killed in this manner. Revelation 11:5
God grants them the power to do these things.
Now after the three-and-a-half days the breath of life from God entered them, and they stood on their feet, and great fear fell on those who saw them. And they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, “Come up here.” And they ascended to heaven in a cloud, and their enemies saw them. Revelation 11:11-12
- And they ascended to heaven in a cloud, and their enemies saw them
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Shilohsfoal
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Shilohsfoal
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It's amazing the people you see calling these two prophets good while scripture shows they torment and kill people.
People honestly do call evil good.
People honestly do call evil good.
What is just as dangerous is calling good evil.
Now after the three-and-a-half days the breath of life from God entered them, and they stood on their feet, and great fear fell on those who saw them. And they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, “Come up here.” And they ascended to heaven in a cloud, and their enemies saw them. Revelation 11:11-12
- And they ascended to heaven in a cloud, and their enemies saw them
You are calling a loud voice from heaven evil.
I caution you to repent of your blasphemy and your bitter hatred.
Shilohsfoal
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Who calls the two witnesses to heaven?
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ezrider
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The law and the commandments torment people, the knowledge of evil and the knowledge of sin brings them death. There are many who call themselves Christian who continue to be tormented by the law, held in bondage, and not yet truly free of the yoke in Christ.
Are the law and the commandments evil?
Shilohsfoal
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We are not talking about the law and commandments.
We are talking about servants of Christ.Those whom Christ has sent to preach the gospel. Prophets who are sent to spread the word.
Matthew 24:48 - Readiness at Any Hour
But suppose that servant is wicked and says in his heart, 'My master will be away a long time.'
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Matthew 24:49 - Readiness at Any Hour
And he begins to beat his fellow servants and to eat and drink with drunkards.
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Matthew 24:50 - Readiness at Any Hour
The master of that servant will come on a day he does not expect and at an hour he does not anticipate.
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Matthew 24:51 - Readiness at Any Hour
Then he will cut him to pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
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ezrider
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We are not talking about the law and commandments.
We are talking about servants of Christ.Those whom Christ has sent to preach the gospel. Prophets who are sent to spread the word.
Matthew 24:48 - Readiness at Any Hour
But suppose that servant is wicked and says in his heart, 'My master will be away a long time.'biblehub.comMatthew 24:49 - Readiness at Any Hour
And he begins to beat his fellow servants and to eat and drink with drunkards.biblehub.comMatthew 24:50 - Readiness at Any Hour
The master of that servant will come on a day he does not expect and at an hour he does not anticipate.biblehub.comMatthew 24:51 - Readiness at Any Hour
Then he will cut him to pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.biblehub.com
I was not talking about the law and the commandments either, I was talking about that which torments and kills people. You seem to insist it must be evil.
You said they are servants of God, of this you would find no argument. But as servants of God, who am I that I should judge them to be good or evil? If I were to experience the torment, then my perception perception would be to judge it as evil? But what is my perception might not be God's perspective.
Would you call the Judgement of God evil?
Shilohsfoal
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You ask who are you that you should judge if they are good or evil?
Maybe you just don't know the difference between good and evil.
Matthew 7:15 - A Tree and its Fruit
Beware of false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves.
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Matthew 7:16 - A Tree and its Fruit
By their fruit you will recognize them. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?
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Matthew 7:17 - A Tree and its Fruit
Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit.
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Matthew 7:18 - A Tree and its Fruit
A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit.
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Matthew 7:19 - A Tree and its Fruit
Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
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ezrider
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You ask who are you that you should judge if they are good or evil?
Maybe you just don't know the difference between good and evil.
Matthew 7:15 - A Tree and its Fruit
Beware of false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves.biblehub.comMatthew 7:16 - A Tree and its Fruit
By their fruit you will recognize them. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?biblehub.comMatthew 7:17 - A Tree and its Fruit
Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit.biblehub.comMatthew 7:18 - A Tree and its Fruit
A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit.biblehub.comMatthew 7:19 - A Tree and its Fruit
Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.biblehub.com
Instead of just quoting scripture that has no bearing on our discussion, why don't you just simply answer the question I asked of you?
Would you call the Judgement of God evil?
Shilohsfoal
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God's judgement on Jerusalem does not come by these two witnesses 42 months before God's judgement comes.
The saints in Israel are persecuted for those 42 months.Then God's judgement comes upon those who persecuted his saints in Israel. God's judgment comes three and a half days after those two witnesses die.
Who calls the two witnesses to heaven?
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