CAN A MAN RAPE HIS WIFE?

[GodsGrace]

What would be the threshold of rape be? Ok we know, don't go too far. But how far is too far and who is the judge of it?

Because All men have been told I have a headache, not tonight by their wife. Even I remember being told this. Sometimes I let her sleep. Sometimes I persisted and did have my way. But she was not raped. More like it was a concession by her. There were times that I could not sleep because of pent up tension from the day and being able to relieve myself sexually always released much tension, and I slept much better for it. She did me a good turn by conceding to me on those nights where she didn't desire intimacy but I couldn't sleep. So she conceded for me and I appreciated that. There were times when she really really didn't want to and would take no for an answer if she turned me down 3 times. She must really have had a hard day today, ok go to sleep then.

But! We have all already heard of cases where, my husband raped me. I know I have. If women get mad at a man they have been known to use their I'm just a defensless girl and was taken advabtage of...as a weapon against men. They cam lie and say he took me when I didn't consent just to get revenge on him for whatever. So in the cases of my husband raped me...who is the judge of saying the man did wrong? Or even was it in fact consensual on any level? No witnesses and lying wives. Maybe two times until you back off of her saying no is better than 3 times, lol!

This is why the death penalty for rape is a big NO NO.

How come you're the only guy here that understands?

 

[GodsGrace]

So a rapist upon timed served should be trusted again ?

Technically the guy who raped my sister was a pedophile.she was 12.

The inmates would have carried out justice for her .

So your sister was raped.

Is that the same as a man raping his wife?
Or do you see some difference?

 

[jasonc]

So your sister was raped.

Is that the same as a man raping his wife?
Or do you see some difference?

Jeffrey Dahmer - Wikipedia

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I was stating the well argument that no rapist deserves life but upon proper conviction. God may forgive him but if I steal my repentance doesn't change the law and it's provision of penalty.


A pedophile raped minors .you really think these shouldn't be executed ?

Would you sit in a church wirh him?
Look I had to forgive him but I wouldn't trust my grandkids near him .

People lie .

 

[Edward]

Sex is a wife's right and a husband's responsibility; NOT the other way around.

It's both ways according to 1 Corinthians 7

3 Let the husband render unto the wife due benevolence: and likewise also the wife unto the husband.

4 The wife hath not power of her own body, but the husband: and likewise also the husband hath not power of his own body, but the wife..../KJV

Isn't it? It sure reads that way to me.

 

[Free]

There's no ambiguity.

Here it is again:

If a person believes a man can rape his wife...
he really does NOT understand what rape is.

Yes, there is ambiguity, as there are at least three ways that my statement, and the question in the title, can be understood.

“Can” has several different meanings meanings, including those I pointed out:

1 a : be physically or mentally able to
c —used to indicate possibility
f : be permitted by conscience or feeling to

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/can

So, the question, "Can a man rape is wife?," may mean "Is a man permitted to rape his wife?" or "Is is possible that a man can rape his wife?". In the first rephrased question, the answer is no, but in the second, it is yes.

Some in this thread seem to think that it really isn't possible for a man to rape his wife--that there is no such thing as marital rape--because her body belongs to him, so he gets sex whenever and however he wants, even if he has to force himself on her to get it. That is how I understood the question, based on the responses of some, and hence why I said a man can rape his wife, because marital rape actually exists.

You seem to have understood the question as "Is a man permitted to rape his wife?". Hence, you took my statement as meaning that a husband is permitted to rape his wife. But I absolutely reject that idea; he is never permitted to do so.

Apart from that, the question could instead be asking if it is legal or socially acceptable for a man to rape his wife. As per Merriam-Webster:

e : be enabled by law, agreement, or custom to

Of course, the answer again is no.

 

[GodsGrace]

Jeffrey Dahmer - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I was stating the well argument that no rapist deserves life but upon proper conviction. God may forgive him but if I steal my repentance doesn't change the law and it's provision of penalty.


A pedophile raped minors .you really think these shouldn't be executed ?

Would you sit in a church wirh him?
Look I had to forgive him but I wouldn't trust my grandkids near him .

People lie .

You know Jason,
you're always putting words into person's mouths.
I'm not replying to the above.
I said no such thing and this is a rather sensitive topic...

 

[GodsGrace]

Yes, there is ambiguity, as there are at least three ways that my statement, and the question in the title, can be understood.

“Can” has several different meanings meanings, including those I pointed out:

1 a : be physically or mentally able to
c —used to indicate possibility
f : be permitted by conscience or feeling to

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/can

So, the question, "Can a man rape is wife?," may mean "Is a man permitted to rape his wife?" or "Is is possible that a man can rape his wife?". In the first rephrased question, the answer is no, but in the second, it is yes.

I think we're all on the same page with the second.
And, as I understood, you believe it is possible for a husband to rape his wife.
OK. I understand that.

Some in this thread seem to think that it really isn't possible for a man to rape his wife--that there is no such thing as marital rape--because her body belongs to him, so he gets sex whenever and however he wants, even if he has to force himself on her to get it. That is how I understood the question, based on the responses of some, and hence why I said a man can rape his wife, because marital rape actually exists.

You seem to have understood the question as "Is a man permitted to rape his wife?". Hence, you took my statement as meaning that a husband is permitted to rape his wife. But I absolutely reject that idea; he is never permitted to do so.

No Free.
I understood your point.

Apart from that, the question could instead be asking if it is legal or socially acceptable for a man to rape his wife. As per Merriam-Webster:

e : be enabled by law, agreement, or custom to

Of course, the answer again is no.

Of course the answer should be NO.

 

[stovebolts]

I think comparing rape with marital abuse is demeaning to rape victims.

I’m not a woman, so I’ll respect your viewpoint.

From my vantage, any time a man forced himself on a woman when she explicitly says no, it’s rape regardless if they are married or not.

To your point, there are differing scenarios for rape with degrees of evilness. Certainly when a man rapes a woman that does not know him ( non consent) is different than when a woman has retracted her consent.

Regardless how one parses it or what they call it, it’s wrong and I think we can both agree on that.

 

[D-D-W]

It's both ways according to 1 Corinthians 7

Isn't it? It sure reads that way to me.

Yes but you are missing the cultural context.

The church at Corinth was right next door to the synagogue and most of the early believers were Jews.
Then came a lot of Greeks that had the opposite view, sex was a Man's right; just the opposite of the Jewish view.
Paul here is making accommodation for both viewpoints.

But because the Jewish viewpoint can be easily supported by OT scripture, IMO that makes it more important and more biblical.

 

[jasonc]

You know Jason,
you're always putting words into person's mouths.
I'm not replying to the above.
I said no such thing and this is a rather sensitive topic...

You said you don't believe in the death penalty.

Not all rapists are gonna get life in prisons

Statutory rape

The most often case of where consent isn't given not because the victim doesn't want sex but because they are a minor.

Other types of rape include the use of drugs and in the military you commit a crime If you have sex while drunk despite the consent given .the civy side
It's one more step as you must prove the guy or girl used alcohol or drugs to get sex.think date rape

Newsflash.most rapists know their victims and my sister was raped by a family friend and her bf.neither used a weapon .

The bf had a psychosis and did that in a mental health facility .

Aside from sanity .. I was adressing that most rapists don't actually serve life of they don't kill their victim .

I personally know a girl who raped a minor .she was 18 and he was 12.
She got 10.
Under Florida law she could have faced the chair . She tried to drug him .the family of the victim agreed to that .

 

[Edward]

Or even was it in fact consensual on any level?

Wouldn't it be legally consensual upon the activation of her Marriage Covenant with her Husband? Scripture seems to speak that way.

Does the Marriage Covenant really give the man the authority over the women's body for procreation purposes?
Do women have the short end of the stick? You bet they do. Women are held to be special to God as the child bearers and as such, I suspect that they will be rewarded handsomely for it in heaven. Because it is a rude act no matter how you slice it. Look all around you in nature. The girls try to be picky but there are dominant males around so they may not have as much choice as you would like them to have. But God said be fruitful and nultiply so they do have a responsibility to let the Husband keep satisfied. Is itrude or inconveinant sometimes, yes. Does he love her in the daytime and hold her up as a hood Wife because she puts up with him? Yes, so those guys did not rape their wife. Some guys are nicer than others?

 

[stovebolts]

Oh Brother, why did you go there?! I was trying to be kind to her by speaking of her third person and the respect and love I have for the girl by not saying who it was. I just said, a long time ago a girlfriend and I would have been grateful for it be left at that. But since you have put me on the spot because the coffe is good this morning and you saw a flaw in my story, I will tell you. She is the one who later became my wife. She did divore me, 26 years later. We did become one. For awhile at least until the world pulled her away. but she grew out of that stuff, asking for that. She grew up and is a fine respectable girl. Catholic. Pray for her.

Lol.

I’m sorry to hear it ended after 26 years.

 

[GodsGrace]

I’m not a woman, so I’ll respect your viewpoint.

From my vantage, any time a man forced himself on a woman when she explicitly says no, it’s rape regardless if they are married or not.

To your point, there are differing scenarios for rape with degrees of evilness. Certainly when a man rapes a woman that does not know him ( non consent) is different than when a woman has retracted her consent.

Regardless how one parses it or what they call it, it’s wrong and I think we can both agree on that.

Yes. Absolutely we agree on the fact that there should always be consent.

I just, as a woman, feel more threatened than a man and so maybe that's why I define it differently.

IOW, If I'm going down a street at night and some guy jumps out and put a knife to my throat (or not) and forcibly goes ahead, I do believe this is different than my husband demanding or forcing.

However, yes, I agree that even the second scenario is not good and should not exist in a marriage - at least, not a good marriage.

In fact, I, personally, would be unable to accept such a situation.
What kind of a "man" would that take?
Not the good kind.

 

[GodsGrace]

You said you don't believe in the death penalty.

Not all rapists are gonna get life in prisons

Statutory rape

The most often case of where consent isn't given not because the victim doesn't want sex but because they are a minor.

Other types of rape include the use of drugs and in the military you commit a crime If you have sex while drunk despite the consent given .the civy side
It's one more step as you must prove the guy or girl used alcohol or drugs to get sex.think date rape

Newsflash.most rapists know their victims and my sister was raped by a family friend and her bf.neither used a weapon .

The bf had a psychosis and did that in a mental health facility .

Aside from sanity .. I was adressing that most rapists don't actually serve life of they don't kill their victim .

I personally know a girl who raped a minor .she was 18 and he was 12.
She got 10.
Under Florida law she could have faced the chair . She tried to drug him .the family of the victim agreed to that .

Sexual crime cannot be overcome by the offender. It's a mental disorder.
The only way is to use artificial, or chemical, castration.
I don't know what the solution is, but I just don't like the death penalty.
Life in prison could be a solution...but real life in prison.

 

[jasonc]

I am a victim of sexual assault by a man.

I wish I either beat him to a pulp or had the mps charge him .

The military defintion is not rape as that is separated but unwanted touching .

The military has a a subset of PTSD military sexual trauma . Often and by large these are females but 40 percent of all rape victims in the army are men .the attackers are women .

You will know if I. Am triggered by this .and no I had a trigger today but not from this and out of the blue I didn't expect a Metallica song to put me over by the lz thinking about abad and the adreline rush .

 

[D-D-W]

I personally know a girl who raped a minor .she was 18 and he was 12.

What did she penetrate him with? Rape (by definition of the word) involves penetration.

Under Florida law she could have faced the chair .

Lets re-phrase that: SHOULD have faced the chair.

 

[Edward]

But because the Jewish viewpoint can be easily supported by OT scripture, IMO that makes it more important and more biblical.

What's more biblical mean? The NT is in the OT but it is concealed. The OT is in the NT and it is revealed. The scriptures agree or there is misinterpretation somewhere. Is the new testament covenant nul for some reason? I think not. She, as a Maried woman does not have authority over her body to her Husband, he does, for such is the Marriage Covenant. It's a rude and undesireable position to hold in life to be a woman and be expected to bear children! I admit that and it boggles my mind how any woman could stand to be penetrated by a man, yuck.
But I will bear his children for him because he loves me, protects me, and takes care of me...? Wow. Those are the good girls.

 

[jasonc]

Sexual crime cannot be overcome by the offender. It's a mental disorder.
The only way is to use artificial, or chemical, castration.
I don't know what the solution is, but I just don't like the death penalty.
Life in prison could be a solution...but real life in prison.

They don't do that .

And no inmate would let him live .

Look I know this as my old troop was a one rank below a warden in the okechobee state prisons where rapists,murderers were kept .he knew all the sentences and said at at.well another inmate was killed by another and said it's not uncommon for that and it's usually avenging a family member killed .
He was interesting then in that he was anti death penalty .

He said you won't go to any facility and the guy next to won't know your crime .outside of the prison gang rites to stay alive .no one will tolerate a pedophile or serial rapist .

They will wait and kill them .imho I don't calm solitary confinement in a tiny cell humane . No light .mail nor exercise is a right .

My old mos is prison guard and the troop I mentioned was under me and taught me much as a guard force commander .outside of things needed to be done or things he didn't know I would ask him or allow him to show the way it's done .of course with in the unit training guidance .

That included riot control
Cuffing
Force cell extraction
Less then lethal training
Lethal force ,use of force
General population versus solitary
Medium and high level
Visitor time ,rec time
Accountability types .

 

[D-D-W]

What's more biblical mean? The NT is in the OT but it is concealed. The OT is in the NT and it is revealed.

OK, that is an off topic rabbit trail we can pursue in another folder, like Theology or Messianic.

The scriptures agree or there is misinterpretation somewhere. Is the new testament covenant nul for some reason? I think not.

OF course the scriptures agree.

She, as a Married woman does not have authority over her body to her Husband, he does, for such is the Marriage Covenant.

Same verse: she holds just as much authority** over his body as he has. So she has every right to tell him to keep his distance. Or to even emasculate himself.

**SCRIPTURAL NT AUTHORITY.

It's a rude and undesirable position to hold in life to be a woman and be expected to bear children! I admit that and it boggles my mind how any woman could stand to be penetrated by a man, yuck.

And yet God built them that way. Have you ever seen the variety of "toys" that are penetrative?

 

[jasonc]

What did she penetrate him with? Rape (by definition of the word) involves penetration.

Lets re-phrase that: SHOULD have faced the chair.

Florida doesn't and hasn't used the chair in decades it's done by lethal injection .