CAN A MAN RAPE HIS WIFE?

[jasonc]

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[jasonc]

No word rape is used but since the laymen calls it that it's what I use .

Sexual battery .

 

[D-D-W]

Sexual crime cannot be overcome by the offender. It's a mental disorder.
The only way is to use artificial, or chemical, castration.
I don't know what the solution is, but I just don't like the death penalty.
Life in prison could be a solution...but real life in prison.

Then you do not believe God can redeem everyone.

If you do not like the death penalty, then you are in conflict with scripture.

 

[D-D-W]

No word rape is used but since the laymen calls it that it's what I use .
Sexual battery .

Thank you. That is better.
Probably the fact my mom was a grade school teacher makes me rather a stickler about proper word use.

 

[Edward]

IOW, If I'm going down a street at night and some guy jumps out and put a knife to my throat (or not) and forcibly goes ahead, I do believe this is different than my husband demanding or forcing.

Thank you. I understand this. Let's not anyone forget 1 Corinth 7 and v 3 Let the husband render unto the wife due benevolence: and likewise also the wife unto the husband....

Guys, that's code talk for be nice about it. Likewise the Wife, don't play games about it. being one means making concession to each other every day. Love is a one way street that goes both ways. If I love her I will be benevolent to her and be nice. If she loves me, she wont say no three times unless she really feels bad in which case you should care for her and maybe she'll feel better in the morning...What's wrong with that? Nothing.

 

[jasonc]

Thank you. That is better.
Probably the fact my mom was a grade school teacher makes me rather a stickler about proper word use.

Legal terms versus ours

Here

Larceny
Theft by instrument or relocation of property. Without permission and no use of forced entry or by force

Robbery
Theft by use of forced entry or unlawful entry

Armed robbery. Theft by the use of a weapon not dependent upon presentation of it but the victim must perceive the threat .

Most laymen seldom hear larceny in the paper .

 

[GodsGrace]

Then you do not believe God can redeem everyone.

If you do not like the death penalty, then you are in conflict with scripture.

Yes. I DO NOT believe God can redeem everyone.
Does everyone in prison get redeemed?
Does everyone out of prison get redeemed?

I think you mean IS GOD ABLE TO REDEEM ANYONE?
Then my answer would be Yes. Anyone can be redeemed.

I'm not in keeping with many OT laws.
The death penalty is one of them.
The state does not have the right to put a person to death.
Mistakes have been made.

In the OT it was necessary to keep order.
I also think it was wrong even back then to kill a son by bringing him outside of the village.
I can't remember the verse.

 

[jaybo]

If a man has to rape his wife to get sex then something is wrong in the marriage. It's only 5 days a month you can't have her. That's not unreasonable.

But I have heard of a lot of sexless marriages. She hasn't been intimate with him in years. But she wont get divorced. She can't be surprised if he cheats in that situation, so she is wrong to do that to her husband and cut him off.

What if that guy didn't want to cheat, was a Brother in Christ and held out much faith that his marriage will be restored eventually, so he doesn't cheat. But he still tries with his wife...Every couple months, he goes in and takes her. He doesn't want to go outside the marriage, she is his by covenant...Did he do wrong to take her anyway?

I think in mans eyes, yes. In God's eyes, no.

a) The wife does not cause her husband to cheat. That is a poor excuse at best.
b) It is always wrong for a husband to "take" his wife. That implies that it was against her will, which is equivalent to rape.

 

[jaybo]

Sexual crime cannot be overcome by the offender. It's a mental disorder.
The only way is to use artificial, or chemical, castration.
I don't know what the solution is, but I just don't like the death penalty.
Life in prison could be a solution...but real life in prison.

Why do you think that sexual crime cannot be overcome by the offender? Even if it's a mental disorder, do you think mental disorders can't be cured?

 

[jasonc]

Yes. I DO NOT believe God can redeem everyone.
Does everyone in prison get redeemed?
Does everyone out of prison get redeemed?

I think you mean IS GOD ABLE TO REDEEM ANYONE?
Then my answer would be Yes. Anyone can be redeemed.

I'm not in keeping with many OT laws.
The death penalty is one of them.
The state does not have the right to put a person to death.
Mistakes have been made.

In the OT it was necessary to keep order.
I also think it was wrong even back then to kill a son by bringing him outside of the village.
I can't remember the verse.

Yet in acts of prison operations


Inmate resists taking his castration pills.
Force cell extraction team forces him

Often both the inmate and guards are injured in that .

It's not like they will just lie down they will barricade the door .oc spray is used making the floor slippery plus arms are broken .

Then they put him in a straight jacket and force it by needles.

Sgt ackbar was forced cell extracted to get his hair cut and shaved at Leavenworth .

Lethal force used by prison guards in the riots isn't without oppsies .

Inmate is too close and less then lethal deployable and kills the inmate .or eye is poked out .
Heard of it .

I get the make sure it's him that did the crime notice I said proper but again no such human act that God allows and wants will ever be without error .

The sword of justice is exactly that .

 

[jasonc]

Prison guard work isn't for the faint .but that's another thread.

 

[GodsGrace]

Why do you think that sexual crime cannot be overcome by the offender? Even if it's a mental disorder, do you think mental disorders can't be cured?

The recidivism rate is very high.

https://smart.ojp.gov/sites/g/files/xyckuh231/files/media/document/recidivismofadultsexualoffenders.pdf

I think anything is possible, but not probable.
I'd be weary of having a sex offender in my neighborhood.
It's not an easy crime to stop doing....
It becomes part of the nature of the person.

Do you think all mental orders can be cured?

 

[jaybo]

The recidivism rate is very high.

https://smart.ojp.gov/sites/g/files/xyckuh231/files/media/document/recidivismofadultsexualoffenders.pdf

I think anything is possible, but not probable.
I'd be weary of having a sex offender in my neighborhood.
It's not an easy crime to stop doing....
It becomes part of the nature of the person.

Do you think all mental orders can be cured?

Reductio ad absurdum. We are discussing a single disorder. Why are you expanding it to all mental disorders, as though they are the same?

 

[GodsGrace]

Reductio ad absurdum. We are discussing a single disorder. Why are you expanding it to all mental disorders, as though they are the same?

Because you said this:
Why do you think that sexual crime cannot be overcome by the offender? Even if it's a mental disorder, do you think mental disorders can't be cured?

You said MENTAL DISORDERS, that means all of them in general.

If you mean only the one we're speaking of,,,
Yes, I think it could be cured, but it's not probable because it's not easy.
Depends on how much the offender wants to be cured.
And, I don't think it would be a CURE, but a method learned to keep it suppressed.

What do you think?

 

[jaybo]

Because you said this:
Why do you think that sexual crime cannot be overcome by the offender? Even if it's a mental disorder, do you think mental disorders can't be cured?

You said MENTAL DISORDERS, that means all of them in general.

If you mean only the one we're speaking of,,,
Yes, I think it could be cured, but it's not probable because it's not easy.
Depends on how much the offender wants to be cured.
And, I don't think it would be a CURE, but a method learned to keep it suppressed.

What do you think?

I agree in principle, but I think that the this disorder can be cured, not just suppressed.

 

[GodsGrace]

I agree in principle, but I think that the this disorder can be cured, not just suppressed.

If the patient is willing...
but I don't know about a cure.
Wonder if Prof. Google knows?

 

[Riven]

No man should force his wife into sex, let alone pin her down.
It is a mutual act where two become one. This is not only in the physical sense, but also emotional and spiritual.
When a man forces himself on a woman and she is in duress due to his act of violence, they are not one. And yes, forcing oneself on another is an act of violence.

Exactly. I mean, this shouldn't really be that hard to understand.

 

[Edward]

a) The wife does not cause her husband to cheat. That is a poor excuse at best.
b) It is always wrong for a husband to "take" his wife. That implies that it was against her will, which is equivalent to rape.

It is not against her will by her husband or she wouldn't have married him. Does the marriage covenant have any significance at all anymore?

Havent you ever had your wife say no to you? Have you ever persisted and said hey c'mon after she already said no once? And then she relented and let you? Now technically, it was against her will because she was watching green acres and didn't want to be bothered by you, but you are her husband and she does have a marital obligation to her husband so went ahead even though she didn't want to...

So you raped your wife? Of course not. I didn't rape my wife either and I fully agree that rape should be a capital offense when perpetrated by a stranger or outside a marriage...and proven beyond doubt.

 

[Riven]

It is not against her will by her husband or she wouldn't have married him. Does the marriage covenant have any significance at all anymore?

Havent you ever had your wife say no to you? Have you ever persisted and said hey c'mon after she already said no once? And then she relented and let you? Now technically, it was against her will because she was watching green acres and didn't want to be bothered by you, but you are her husband and she does have a marital obligation to her husband so went ahead even though she didn't want to...

So you raped your wife? Of course not. I didn't rape my wife either and I fully agree that rape should be a capital offense when perpetrated by a stranger or outside a marriage...and proven beyond doubt.

What if she continued to say no?

 

[Edward]

If a man's Wife says no and she does not relent because she is angry at him for quitting his job or whatever, and the man beats the girl senseless and does it anyway, she might have a case for battery. But most husbands do love thier wives and do exercise benevolence toward them. There are times that it is ok to be persistant anf times when you back off and give the Wife a break. It's not hard to read the signs and react appropriately to the girl you Love.

Wives have done it too! I remember one time after work I tried to do the go to sleep real fast thing because I was exhausted from work and she wouldn't take no for an answer! She didn't rape me either. She took what she needed and that was a reasonable thing to do considering the circumstances, Lol! I was tired but I can't say I didn't enjoy it. I like a girl with a strong spirit!