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Christianity was meant to be inclusive and not exclusive in my book.
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Can a non-believer enter Heaven?
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Solo
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Inclusive as all tongues and nations become believers, exclusive as others reject the gospel of Jesus Christ.Soma-Sight said:
New Age Univeralists are hoping as they bark up the wrong tree. When they finally are awoken they will teach against their former beliefs, or die and finally know the truth.
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Soma-Sight
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Or is it the other way around???
As the negative print image of every form of fundamentalism, Unitarian Universalism offers to the world an alternative religious vision. Rather than rend, we sew. Rather than spend our lives dividing sheep from goats, we celebrate unity, twice in our very name. As for liberal, it means generous, flexible and free. And yet, this saving power, the power of our good news, will make an impact only if we bring the same passion to our liberal faith–to our open handed, open hearted, open minded faith–that others bring to theirs.
http://www.allsoulsnyc.org/publications ... uuism.html
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Solo
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I didn't think that you were born again, and you keep on giving me more evidence that you are not.Soma-Sight said:
Vic C.
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Soma! That link! :o
The page's header says:
BORN AGAIN UNITARIAN UNIVERSALISM
Then it goes on to say this:
"We believe there is one light, one mystery, one God, call it what you will. The light shines through many different windows."
There is NOTHING born-again about this at all. What they teach may be their gospel, but it's not THE Gospel. Surely the light shines through many windows, but not at the same intensity. Plus, some of those windows are made with one-way glass; the light may shine through, but you can't see out the same window. If by chance you do see out, you wind up staring into darkness anyway.
The light shine brightest through one window and one window only. (John 14:6)
Please reconsider the words of the Master and read (or reread) the third chapter of John. There is no need for the phrase "born again" or "born from above" in Universalism. According to them, whether one is "born again" or not, all will be "saved" from an eternity without God.
"We believe there is one light, one mystery, one God, call it what you will."
God is not an "it". For sure, He has many names and you can find them all in the OT, but... He is GOD and we are not.
All this Unitarian Universalism stuff sounds a lot like Spiritualism. I could get the same lip service from watching Wayne Dryer or Joseph Campbell on PBS. :-?
It's feelgood theology at it best (or worst). :-?
The page's header says:
BORN AGAIN UNITARIAN UNIVERSALISM
Then it goes on to say this:
"We believe there is one light, one mystery, one God, call it what you will. The light shines through many different windows."
There is NOTHING born-again about this at all. What they teach may be their gospel, but it's not THE Gospel. Surely the light shines through many windows, but not at the same intensity. Plus, some of those windows are made with one-way glass; the light may shine through, but you can't see out the same window. If by chance you do see out, you wind up staring into darkness anyway.
The light shine brightest through one window and one window only. (John 14:6)
Please reconsider the words of the Master and read (or reread) the third chapter of John. There is no need for the phrase "born again" or "born from above" in Universalism. According to them, whether one is "born again" or not, all will be "saved" from an eternity without God.
"We believe there is one light, one mystery, one God, call it what you will."
God is not an "it". For sure, He has many names and you can find them all in the OT, but... He is GOD and we are not.
All this Unitarian Universalism stuff sounds a lot like Spiritualism. I could get the same lip service from watching Wayne Dryer or Joseph Campbell on PBS. :-?
It's feelgood theology at it best (or worst). :-?
"In a time like this of tolerance, listen, false teaching will always cry intolerance. It will always say you are being divisive, you are being unloving, you are being ungracious, because it can only survive when it doesn't get scrutinized. So it cries against any intolerance. It cries against any examination, any scrutinyâ€â€just let's embrace each other; let's love each other; let's put all that behind us. False doctrine cries the loudest about unity. Listen carefully when you hear the cry for unity, because it may be the cover of false doctrine encroaching. If ever we should follow 1 Thessalonians 5, and examine everything carefully, it's when somebody is crying unity, love, and acceptance."
John 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
John 5:39-40 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.
Matthew 12:30 He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.
John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
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Soma-Sight
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Hey Wayne Dryer is a good man with some good material.
I am reading his book "Inspiration" right now.
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Didn't say he was a bad man. There is some truth in some of the things he says and occasionally he does quote scripture, but it's to enhance his message and not meant to spread any kind of Gospel message.Soma-Sight said:
Yes, I tune in to these shows occasionally... for comparison's sake and to hear what is going on outside the Biblical world.
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shaitiger
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Truth, in itself, is absolute and objective. For me, this is just another philosophical proof for Christianity being the true faith. All the other faiths are relative and subjective.
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Jay T
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Yes, I agree !Soma-Sight said:
I've recently been studying with an retired ex-pastor of the Baptist church.
He is of the opinion that God only selects certain people to be saved, and others to be lost.
We have gone around and around on that issue.
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Solo
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Yes, I agree !Jay T said:
I've recently been studying with an retired ex-pastor of the Baptist church.
He is of the opinion that God only selects certain people to be saved, and others to be lost.
We have gone around and around on that issue.[/quote:ea0fd]
And you believe that all people will be saved?
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Jay T
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Solo said:
[/quote:1c29f]No Sir !
The Bible clearly shows that most, as in the majority, will be lost....even in the modern Christian world.
What I don't believe in is the predestination theory...where God supposedly predetermines some to be saved, and some to be determined to be lost.....leaving out the power of choice, in each and every individuals case.
This ex-pastor tries to convince me that those who are saved, had no choice in the mattter.
And, those who are lost, have no choice in the matter either.
Sorry, I don't buy that.
I believe God has given to each and every individual the power to choose whether to be saved or lost, based on their own freedom of choice.
THe Lord is in the process of trying to reach each individual (thru the Holy Spirit) with as much knowledge of Himself as possible, so that they can make an intelligent decision.
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Solo
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Jay T said:
No Sir !
The Bible clearly shows that most, as in the majority, will be lost....even in the modern Christian world.
What I don't believe in is the predestination theory...where God supposedly predetermines some to be saved, and some to be determined to be lost.....leaving out the power of choice, in each and every individuals case.
This ex-pastor tries to convince me that those who are saved, had no choice in the mattter.
And, those who are lost, have no choice in the matter either.
Sorry, I don't buy that.
I believe God has given to each and every individual the power to choose whether to be saved or lost, based on their own freedom of choice.
THe Lord is in the process of trying to reach each individual (thru the Holy Spirit) with as much knowledge of Himself as possible, so that they can make an intelligent decision.[/quote:4fcef][/quote:4fcef]
Don't feel alone on understanding predestination or not. God knows all who are going to be saved and all who are going to be lost. He also is the creator, and can create vessels of honor and vessels of dishonor. If his purpose of this creation is greater than man's understanding, then whatever he determines is right and just, as he is the author of all things. Since we have a finite mind, we must rest in the knowledge and comfort of God's character, knowing that each of us is important.
In Jesus' parable of the sower, some seed fell on hard ground, ground with weeds, good ground, etc. The Bible says that many are called, but few are chosen. I haven't dwelled on predestination much, and do not have a dogmatic answer, but I do know that no man comes to be a believer without God's doing.
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Jay T
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You're right.Solo said:
Without the Holy Spirit working on a person's heart, thru subtle impressions, over a course of time....no one will come to Jesus Christ on their own.
The same can be said of following ...the 10 commandments (Exodus 20:3-17)....as scripture says:
Romans 8:7 "Because the carnal mind [is] enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be".
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John the Baptist
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The Everlasting Gospel says that 'My Spirit will not always strive with man'. Rev. 14:6 & Gen. 6:3 It appears that, that includes all men with or without 'full' knowledge. (for who 'ever' has full knowledge??) And it appears that all men must submit to His Inspiration. See Christ's Words of Matthew 28:20 & the Holy Spirit's Inspiration of Acts 5:32.
---John
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Jay T
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And so ...the Judgment day of God, is included in the "Everlasting gospel" message, of Revelation 14:6,7John the Baptist said:
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John the Baptist
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And so ...the Judgment day of God, is included in the "Everlasting gospel" message, of Revelation 14:6,7[/quote:2a753]Jay T said:
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Hay, we agree on that, huh? :wink:
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Disciple88
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Hmm, I do not really know if the topic is off on this one, I did not read this all but let me share with you what God has revealed to me about non-believers getting to heaven.
John 3:16 "For whoever Believes in ME"
There is one statement right there that says you must Believe in Him to what? Not perish.
Verse 15 says the same thing.
John 6:40 "this is the will of Him who sent Me" (God the Father) "that everyone who sees the Son" (God the Son/ Christ) "and Believes In Him Will have everlasting life"
John 6:51 "I am the living bead" (Christ/God the Son) "Which came from heaven. If anyone Eats of this bread will live forever"
Now Christ is not a piece of Bread as we all well know. The bread he later states is His flesh, but we are not to literally eat His flesh, and this has nothing to do with communion (as in the monthly taking of the Lord's Supper). So what is he talking about then? We know He is talking about flesh, but what about His flesh. 1Peter 2:24 tells us about Christ baring our sins on the Cross with His own body. In v 24 peter says "our" and "we". Who is "we"? Remember, John 3:16 states that "Whoever believes in Him (Christ) will not perish", you must also rememeber that the Holy Spirit is the one who leads us and that Him only chooses us as well. So coming to the conclusion, John 8:24 says this "Therefopre I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I am He, you will die in your sins." I urge you to read John 8:12-26 or further if you want.
John 3:16 "For whoever Believes in ME"
There is one statement right there that says you must Believe in Him to what? Not perish.
Verse 15 says the same thing.
John 6:40 "this is the will of Him who sent Me" (God the Father) "that everyone who sees the Son" (God the Son/ Christ) "and Believes In Him Will have everlasting life"
John 6:51 "I am the living bead" (Christ/God the Son) "Which came from heaven. If anyone Eats of this bread will live forever"
Now Christ is not a piece of Bread as we all well know. The bread he later states is His flesh, but we are not to literally eat His flesh, and this has nothing to do with communion (as in the monthly taking of the Lord's Supper). So what is he talking about then? We know He is talking about flesh, but what about His flesh. 1Peter 2:24 tells us about Christ baring our sins on the Cross with His own body. In v 24 peter says "our" and "we". Who is "we"? Remember, John 3:16 states that "Whoever believes in Him (Christ) will not perish", you must also rememeber that the Holy Spirit is the one who leads us and that Him only chooses us as well. So coming to the conclusion, John 8:24 says this "Therefopre I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I am He, you will die in your sins." I urge you to read John 8:12-26 or further if you want.