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Can women teach God's word.

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Yes. Acts 2:17 to document both sons and daughters shall prophesy, that's preach, teach. Pour out in Greek means EKCHEO. Those with holy spirit understand Gods word. Some people have spirit of stupor, they see, but cant understand. God is using both men and women in the last days. Theirs also false preachers, both men and women. Ezekiel chapter 13 will document. God hates false doctrine. Taking advantage of people for personal gain, fleecing them. Proverbs chapter 6, one of seven things God hates. Lying tops the list. The false preachers are first up on judgement day. Their spirtual murderers, they have blood on their hands, they wont be around for the eternity. TAHALOOM in Hebrew means =secret, is hid. Those with holy spirit can understand mystery of God, the meat of God's word. TAALUWL in Hebrew means =babe, delusion. This applys to false preachers. Judgement starts with the house of God. These fake shepherds are playing dangerous game with God. Psalm 9:17 The wicked shall be turned into hell. The false shepherds have date with lake of fire. EMAH in Hebrew means = terror, dread. When the fake shepherds hear their sentence on judgement day, it will be Terror!. Those who love and serve have eternal life.
 
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So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them" (Genesis 1:27).

Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created" (Genesis 5:2).

It is interesting to note that God called both male and female, "Adam" in the day they were created. Adam means "man." Adam and Eve were created with God-ordained differences from each other, but together they made a full "man," or a complete picture of God Himself. There was perfection in their union. Their differences were not a source of discord or inequality, but a beautiful compliment to each other. Together, God gave them the task of overseeing His creation.

And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth" (Genesis 1:28).

Notice that God gave the above commission to them both. There is no hint that there was anything but equal authority between man and woman as they existed in a sinless state.​
 
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So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them" (Genesis 1:27).

Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created" (Genesis 5:2).

It is interesting to note that God called both male and female, "Adam" in the day they were created. Adam means "man." Adam and Eve were created with God-ordained differences from each other, but together they made a full "man," or a complete picture of God Himself. There was perfection in their union. Their differences were not a source of discord or inequality, but a beautiful compliment to each other. Together, God gave them the task of overseeing His creation.

And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth" (Genesis 1:28).

Notice that God gave the above commission to them both. There is no hint that there was anything but equal authority between man and woman as they existed in a sinless state.​
An elder shall be a man of one wife .


Is a eve ,male?
 
An elder shall be a man of one wife .


Is a eve ,male?
Is an Elder a Pastor? Was the Church in error when I was given an Evangelist license to preach the word of God in Church services when I use to do Prison Ministry and taught the gospel to men?
 
Is an Elder a Pastor? Was the Church in error when I was given an Evangelist license to preach the word of God in Church services when I use to do Prison Ministry and taught the gospel to men?
An elder must be one apt to teach .

Is an elder above any pastor ?

In my church ,no they can hold him accountable,but he is never a member of his church .the presebytery above him can remove him .

It would make no sense that a women cant be an elder ,apt to teach and then be a pastor

On the question. Where is the qualifications of a a pastor ?

Most use that same verse as even my brother would say as he is in your position a pastor is an elder
 

Rather then bother my elders.

First audience and culture as they were can't be ignored .if it was a culture thing then we'll .

Looking back at the Greco Roman culture then we aren't that different.
Gay rights ,check , androgynous conceits ,check .
 
Yes. Acts 2:17 to document both sons and daughters shall prophesy, that's preach, teach. Pour out in Greek means EKCHEO. Those with holy spirit understand Gods word. Some people have spirit of stupor, they see, but cant understand. God is using both men and women in the last days.

But in different roles. The roles God intends men and women to occupy are not identical, some of the roles of men reserved only for men, and some of those of women reserved only for women. The role of an Elder/Pastor is one such role, in Scripture clearly, unequivocally reserved by God for men.

1 Timothy 3:1-7 (NASB)
1 It is a trustworthy statement: if any man aspires to the office of overseer, it is a fine work he desires to do.
2 An overseer, then, must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, temperate, prudent, respectable, hospitable, able to teach,
3 not addicted to wine or pugnacious, but gentle, peaceable, free from the love of money.
4 He must be one who manages his own household well, keeping his children under control with all dignity
5 (but if a man does not know how to manage his own household, how will he take care of the church of God?),
6 and not a new convert, so that he will not become conceited and fall into the condemnation incurred by the devil.
7 And he must have a good reputation with those outside the church, so that he will not fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.

Titus 1:5-9 (NASB)
5 For this reason I left you in Crete, that you would set in order what remains and appoint elders in every city as I directed you,
6 namely, if any man is above reproach, the husband of one wife, having children who believe, not accused of dissipation or rebellion.
7 For the overseer must be above reproach as God's steward, not self-willed, not quick-tempered, not addicted to wine, not pugnacious, not fond of sordid gain,
8 but hospitable, loving what is good, sensible, just, devout, self-controlled,
9 holding fast the faithful word which is in accordance with the teaching, so that he will be able both to exhort in sound doctrine and to refute those who contradict.


The apostle Paul explained to Timothy that women were not to teach men in the Church, not for reasons of culture, but as follows:

1 Timothy 2:11-14 (NASB)
11 A woman must quietly receive instruction with entire submissiveness.
12 But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet.
13 For it was Adam who was first created, and then Eve.
14 And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression.


Do Paul's words completely prohibit a woman from teaching? No. But she must not teach men and certainly not from a position of spiritual authority such as exists in the office of Elder/Pastor. And so, there is not one instance in the New Testament of a woman officially appointed to, or unofficially acting in, the role of an Elder/Pastor.

Theirs also false preachers, both men and women. Ezekiel chapter 13 will document. God hates false doctrine. Taking advantage of people for personal gain, fleecing them. Proverbs chapter 6, one of seven things God hates. Lying tops the list. The false preachers are first up on judgement day. Their spirtual murderers, they have blood on their hands, they wont be around for the eternity. TAHALOOM in Hebrew means =secret, is hid. Those with holy spirit can understand mystery of God, the meat of God's word. TAALUWL in Hebrew means =babe, delusion. This applys to false preachers. Judgement starts with the house of God. These fake shepherds are playing dangerous game with God. Psalm 9:17 The wicked shall be turned into hell. The false shepherds have date with lake of fire. EMAH in Hebrew means = terror, dread. When the fake shepherds hear their sentence on judgement day, it will be Terror!. Those who love and serve have eternal life.

False preachers succeed because many so-called Christians are careless about their own study of God's word and consequently are extremely spiritually juvenile. What's worse, the Church is crowded with the "leaven" of false brethren, itself badly "leavened," as a result. There would be many fewer false teachers/prophets today, I think, if these things weren't so. As bad, then, as the false teacher/prophet is, the foolish, immature, carnal Christians by whom they are sustained have a reckoning with God coming, too.
 
An elder must be one apt to teach .

Is an elder above any pastor ?

In my church ,no they can hold him accountable,but he is never a member of his church .the presebytery above him can remove him .

It would make no sense that a women cant be an elder ,apt to teach and then be a pastor

On the question. Where is the qualifications of a a pastor ?

Most use that same verse as even my brother would say as he is in your position a pastor is an elder
I never said a pastor is an elder. You are the one that brought that up.

A Pastor is one who leads their flock teaching them the word of God as God has called them and anointed them to His ministry.
 
I never said a pastor is an elder. You are the one that brought that up.

A Pastor is one who leads their flock teaching them the word of God as God has called them and anointed them to His ministry.
A person who leads ,not an elder ?

So they alone know that or do others verify that call.

So only men can be elders ,deacons .but your pastor can be a polyamorist but not elders .

I have never heard a pastor isn't an elder even in the many pentacostal female led churches they consider them to be elders .

An exceptions is the pastor of of one locally.thr word overseer is the Greek word for pastor,elder and Deacon (diakonos) in that verse I mentioned as all three fit.no direct translation from the word fits one

The context of a bishop is one who Shepard's . I posted that link for that reason .
 
Let's take this back to the very beginning of God creating male and female as much of the Bible is written as being masculine language.

Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

Notice in vs. 27 in the use of the word "him" as referring to both male and female. We also read this again in Genesis 5:1-2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created. God created Adam, a name that refers to mankind or humanity in Hebrew, in two genders as male and female. The singular masculine is used to refer collectively to both male and female genders.

Throughout the Bible we see such verses like 1 Timothy 3:1-2 as being masculine language as we read "husband of one wife". This phrase is gender inclusive rather than gender exclusive because the masculine language is often used to incorporate women in scripture just like Genesis 1:26-27 and 5:1-2. It's the same with using the word "brethren" as it refers to both male and female from the first page of scripture to the last page of scripture.

There is an even stronger connection between the masculine singular and gender exclusivity in 1Timothy 3:1-16 and Titus 1:5-16. Regarding the office of Pastor means that women are not prohibited from serving as Pastor if God calls them. The Holy Spirit gives the gifts He pleases as we read in 1 Corinthians 12 meaning that no woman is barred from any Spiritual gift or office because of her gender. Nowhere in scripture does it say women can not be Pastors or Evangelist.​
 
Rev 4:4 And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold.

John in the vision given him sees twenty-four elders seated around the throne of God. The twenty-four elders in the heavenly sanctuary of God are responsible for worship, for the music of worship, and as such they stand as the gatekeepers of the house of God. The Elders in the Church here on earth are patterned after those in the heavenly realm, 1 Chronicles 24:7-19; 25:6-31; 26:12-19.
 
Let's take this back to the very beginning of God creating male and female as much of the Bible is written as being masculine language.

Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

Notice in vs. 27 in the use of the word "him" as referring to both male and female. We also read this again in Genesis 5:1-2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created. God created Adam, a name that refers to mankind or humanity in Hebrew, in two genders as male and female. The singular masculine is used to refer collectively to both male and female genders.

Throughout the Bible we see such verses like 1 Timothy 3:1-2 as being masculine language as we read "husband of one wife". This phrase is gender inclusive rather than gender exclusive because the masculine language is often used to incorporate women in scripture just like Genesis 1:26-27 and 5:1-2. It's the same with using the word "brethren" as it refers to both male and female from the first page of scripture to the last page of scripture.

There is an even stronger connection between the masculine singular and gender exclusivity in 1Timothy 3:1-16 and Titus 1:5-16. Regarding the office of Pastor means that women are not prohibited from serving as Pastor if God calls them. The Holy Spirit gives the gifts He pleases as we read in 1 Corinthians 12 meaning that no woman is barred from any Spiritual gift or office because of her gender. Nowhere in scripture does it say women can not be Pastors or Evangelist.​
Well I guess women having more then one husband isn't a sin as well it doesn't say that either .

No one is made closer to God by office .
I use the esv wich lists the 5 fold ministries as one office pastor ,Shepard .as a foot note .

That means bishop.an elder you may buy your argument but I no longer .I consider it a major in the minors .
My church's let's a Spanish speaking only female led church rent . Often we have shared meetings.

Yet both disagree on this.i once was like you but I noticed something on female led churches .they tend to go wat south .

See the united Methodist church who started all this .woke espisocal church too ,the reformed pcua as well .all ordain gays .

So how exactly does the husband to teach his pastor wife ?

Sure pastors don't know it all,but they are called and equiped to become knowledgeable.all others don't have that calling on that level .


Some say I do. When it verified again as I posses doubts I will say I agree .not all can study and teach .I can study but teaching isn't my forte .

An elder must be apt ,I'm not ,a pastor will teach and elders and pastors do Shepard as they correct errors ,and protect from false teachings
 
Rev 4 ,is not about elders in the church .

Isreal isn't the church nor is isreals elders able to on earth to be in the temple of God .144,000 and the elders of each tribe is too long of a subject .that's liturgy on how isreal lined up around the Tabernacle .

The four living creatures .God in the center ,the banners of each creature and 3 tribes around each corner and marching that way .
 
Well I guess women having more then one husband isn't a sin as well it doesn't say that either .

No one is made closer to God by office .
I use the esv wich lists the 5 fold ministries as one office pastor ,Shepard .as a foot note .

That means bishop.an elder you may buy your argument but I no longer .I consider it a major in the minors .
My church's let's a Spanish speaking only female led church rent . Often we have shared meetings.

Yet both disagree on this.i once was like you but I noticed something on female led churches .they tend to go wat south .

See the united Methodist church who started all this .woke espisocal church too ,the reformed pcua as well .all ordain gays .

So how exactly does the husband to teach his pastor wife ?

Sure pastors don't know it all,but they are called and equiped to become knowledgeable.all others don't have that calling on that level .


Some say I do. When it verified again as I posses doubts I will say I agree .not all can study and teach .I can study but teaching isn't my forte .

An elder must be apt ,I'm not ,a pastor will teach and elders and pastors do Shepard as they correct errors ,and protect from false teachings
All I can say is that God will call and anoint who He wants to lead His Church.
 
Rev 4 ,is not about elders in the church .

Isreal isn't the church nor is isreals elders able to on earth to be in the temple of God .144,000 and the elders of each tribe is too long of a subject .that's liturgy on how isreal lined up around the Tabernacle .

The four living creatures .God in the center ,the banners of each creature and 3 tribes around each corner and marching that way .
I said the elders on earth are to be patterned after the heavenly elders in the throne room of God as the gatekeepers, or possibly another word would be overseers of the assembly within the works of the ministry.
 
All I can say is that God will call and anoint who He wants to lead His Church.
Others must verify .

If I say I'm called ,does that mean I am .

Not really ,because we'll unless it's verified I wouldn't buy it.

Lest ye forget I know about pentacostals and how they ordain .it's also a council of elders .the spirit leads it but after prayer they will verify it or not .

My church works much the same . I attended most meetings. We ordained a deacon and it was planned a bit before as the man and myself were eyed .my pastor noticed how we cared for the things of God. He was called .I don't need to be ordained to go help if I can .he didn't either but having an extra Deacon to fix the church is great
 
I said the elders on earth are to be patterned after the heavenly elders in the throne room of God as the gatekeepers, or possibly another word would be overseers of the assembly within the works of the ministry.
The word overseer is shepherd.also bishop and pastor ..the Greek words are.

Anglican use the word bishop not pastor in service .the same with epispokos (espisocalian ) also interchangeable word.the word presbytos is also the synonym of that .

All mean overseer and shephard.

Jesus Himself is the Bishop of our Soul.

Diankonos is also the synonym but is more used for the church handyman and can be gasp women in my demonstration but my church wont.
 

The Greek is male for the words bishop and elders,pastor not both (anthropi) .

Since you claim to teach . evangelist are those who proclaim not teach the gospel .

Though I have seen them preach with teach .yet he did more then just that but also acted as an elder .

I can't see a church having an evangelist just doing only that .sadly most elders must be all and do all .
 
Yes. Acts 2:17 to document both sons and daughters shall prophesy, that's preach, teach.
Just a couple of things that need to be cleared up for discussion:

1) Prophesying is not the same as teaching or preaching, hence why the NT always distinguishes between them--between the offices and the gifts.
2) In what context and in what way can a woman teach God's word? Are there contexts or ways in which a woman cannot teach?
 
I agree with what scripture says about the office of an Elder and a Pastor as being a position of a man that is called of God as they being the head of the house, whether it be God's house in the assembling or their own homes as a man is to take Spiritually authority being the head over the family. But, yet women have their equal place in God's ministry within the body of Christ as how can we silence a woman that God has called and also equipped to teach to teach His word to others. I would prefer sitting under an anointed man teaching having Godly authority over me, but yet we can not silence the woman God has also called to teach His word.


"Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law" (1 Corinthians 14:34).

"Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence" (1 Timothy 2:11-12).

In these verses, Paul cannot be addressing women who were in the ministry, but rather those in the congregation who were out of order. How do we know this? We have many such proofs, many from Paul himself. Here is a partial list of women who were all in influential positions of leadership in the early church.

Pheobe (Romans 16:1-2): This woman was a deaconess of the church in Cenchrea, who was beloved of Paul and many other Christians for the help she gave to them. She filled an important position of leadership. It would be a difficult stretch of the imagination to say that this woman fulfilled her duties without ever speaking in the church!

Priscilla (Acts 18:26): Priscilla and her husband Aquila are often mentioned with great respect by Paul. Together they were pastors of a church in Ephesus, and were responsible for teaching the full gospel to Apollos. We are informed that they both taught Apollos, and pastored the church together. In fact, Priscilla is sometimes listed ahead of Aquila when their names come up. This has led some to speculate that of the two, she was the primary teacher and her husband oversaw the ministry. At any rate, we see here a woman in a very prominent position of teaching and pastoring. (Other references to Priscilla and Aquila are Acts 18:2, 18; Romans 16:3, and I Corinthians 16:19).

Euodia and Syntyche (Philippians 4:2-3): Here we see reference to two women who were "true yokefellow" and who labored with Paul in the advancement of the gospel.

Junia (Romans 16:7): In this verse we see Paul sending greetings to Andronicus and Junia, his "fellow-prisoners" who are of note among the apostles. Junia is a woman's name. In some modern translations, an "s" has been added (Junias) because the translators were so sure a woman could not be an apostle, that they assumed a copyist has accidentally dropped the "s." However the proper male ending would have been "ius," not "ias." No church commentator earlier than the Middle Ages questioned that Junia was both a woman and an apostle.

Though there were other women throughout the Bible in positions of leadership, such as prophetesses, evangelists, judges, leaders, etc., the above references should be enough to establish that women were indeed a vital and normal part of church leadership. Paul expected women to speak in the church, or else why would he have given the following directive. It would have been useless to give directions for women who were speaking in the church, if they were never allowed to do so.

Furthermore, if Paul believed that all women should never teach or speak in church, why does he commend many women who did just that.

1 Corinthians 14 is all about prophecy, tongues and orderly worship in the church. Paul was giving a call to order in the church as the women were disorganized during the service with their endless chatter asking questions.

In this chapter Paul is giving instruction on how to give prophecy and use tongues in an orderly fashion. Paul was not telling women that they were not allowed to teach men, but to keep quite in the church with there disruptive chatter and questions that interrupted the service. They were told to hold their questions until they got home and ask their husband. They were never told they could not teach men.

If God did not approve of women leading or instructing men then why was one third of Israel's first leadership team Female? God said to the prophet Micah "I sent Moses to lead you, also Aaron and Miriam, Micah 6:4.

Why was Deborah the chief prophet and judge over Israel for four decades? Why was Huldah the most accurate prophet in Israel and why did God use her to instruct the king? Why did Anna prophesy at the Temple and Priscilla instruct Apollos? Why was Chloe a house church leader, Phoebe a deacon and and Junia (yes a woman) an apostle.


 
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