Catholics Do Not Have To Believe All Catholic Doctrine

[thessalonian]

I'd rather have you tell me I've got some nerve rather than say "why didn't you tell me?" someday.
Robert, I wouldn't have bothered posting to you but God wanted me to reach out to you. For some reason you won't let go. Maybe it's your pride.
Now, you say all you need is salvation to gain entrance into heaven...aren't you concerened about your rewards at all? Yes, if you are saved, you are going to heaven but you simply can't grow in Christ at a church that teaches one big fat lie after another. You say you only adhere to the scriptural parts of the mass. Which is what? I can't think of anything that church does that is scriptural, other than believing in the Trinity and that he was born of a virgin. They are all about tradition and man-made ideas with the bible having little to no authority there. She is the whore that Revelation speaks of.
I also agree with what you said about what church we go to has nothing to do with our entrance into heaven. I also don't believe that just one certain denomination will get you there, either. God is not of denominationalizm. He judges personally each individual's heart.
Do you realize you are supporting a church that Satan is the god of? You're supporting it spiritually and probably monetarily. That's why I say you are in bondage. Satan's guilting you into staying there. He probably tells you that's where your roots are and that you'll look real stupid if you leave now. I'm sure he convinces you that you don't want to be at one of those bible-believing churches because its members are nothing but hypocrites. News flash: people will always let you down but Jesus Christ won't!

Just think about it, Robert. Or at least try to go to a bible believing church along with your catholic church and see where you grow. What a great witness you'll be the day those chains come off!
All you're concerned about is gaining entrance and nothing else. No care for growing, learning or doing God's Will.

You're in my prayers, Robert.

Well the Mass is 60% straight out of scripture and it goes through the entire Bible in a three year time frame. So if nonthing about the mass is scriptural, I guess scripture isn't scriptural. :o What is a Bible believing Church anyway. There are tons of "bible believing chruches" out there that have conflicting doctrines.

 

[thessalonian]

Now this is a HS inspired post...Praise God!

More like the holey spirit. :wink: So many holes that a truck could drive through. :P

 

[sisterchristian]

You have got some nerve stating that I am being kept in bondage by Satan. If I have dispensed with the unscriptural RCC doctrines and the unscriptural parts to the Mass and only adhere to the scriptural RCC doctrines and only participate in the scriptural parts to the Mass then I am not in bondage. Why should I leave the RCC and join a Fundamentalist Protestant Church? I will still gain entrance into Heaven even if I do not leave the RCC and do not join a Fundamentalist Protestant Church. Church membership is totally superfluous to gaining entrance into Heaven. And growing in Christ is not required for gaining entrance into Heaven. When everybody stands before Christ after they pass away He will not require for entrance into Heaven that everybody had belonged to a Fundamentalist Protestant Church, had grown in Him and had received Him as their Savior. The only thing that Christ will require for entrance into Heaven is that everybody had received Him as their Savior. :icecream:

Well yes that is true about receiving him as ones saviour, But than WHY in the world would you want to remain in a church where false doctrine is constantly being taught, If something doesn't sit right with my spirit than I probably wouldn't stay, les I grieve the spirit.

 

[sisterchristian]

Well the Mass is 60% straight out of scripture and it goes through the entire Bible in a three year time frame. So if nonthing about the mass is scriptural, I guess scripture isn't scriptural. :o What is a Bible believing Church anyway. There are tons of "bible believing chruches" out there that have conflicting doctrines.

A church where people search the scriptures for themselves and not just take the word of the person up there teaching When your in a bible teaching church, you know it because you can hear all the pages turning when the pastor is reading a certain passage in the bible. In a Catholic church people attend on Sundays and think their ok. there's no fellowship or small group bible studies, they just think that all that they they need in life is given to them on Sunday and that's it. I have been to Catholic churches and I have the whole Mass pretty much memorized. especially the part where they shake hands and say "peace be with you" It drove me nuts. And why does the preist always take communion first, why not all together, and they get the fancy cup to!

 

[RobertMazar]

Well yes that is true about receiving him as ones saviour, But than WHY in the world would you want to remain in a church where false doctrine is constantly being taught, If something doesn't sit right with my spirit than I probably wouldn't stay, les I grieve the spirit.

What difference does it make if I do not leave the RCC and do not join a Fundamentalist Protestant Church? I will still gain entrance into Heaven because of having become Born Again by praying to Christ and asking Him to become my Savior. Belonging to a Fundamentalist Protestant Church is not required for gaining entrance into Heaven. When everybody stands before Christ after they pass away He will not require for entrance into Heaven that everybody had belonged to a Fundamentalist Protestant Church in addition to having received Him as their Savior. The only thing that Christ will require for entrance into Heaven is that everybody had received Him as their Savior. :morning:

 

[ThreeInOne]

You stated that you can not think of any scriptural parts to the Mass? Well that is because you have a non functioning brain and are incapable of logical and analytical thinking. The scriptural parts to the Mass are:
(1)The Apostles and Nicene Creeds(Except for the part "We acknowledge
Baptism for the forgiveness of sins").
(2)The Gloria Prayer
(3)Sign Of The Cross(Luther retained the practice of making the Sign Of The
Cross in the Lutheran Church. Luther was Born Again and if he thought
the Sign Of The Cross was not scriptural then he would not have retained
it in the Lutheran Church.).
(4)The Penitential Rite(The I Confess To Almighty God Prayer)(Except for
the statement "and I ask blessed Mary ever virgin and all the angels and
saints").
(5)Readings from the Bible
(6)The Lord's Prayer
(7)Prayers to Christ
(8)The Eucharistic Prayer(Except for the mention of the intercession of the
Virgin Mary and the Saints) that contains the words of Christ from the
Last Supper.

And Satan is not the god of the RCC because the Apostles and Nicene Creeds state "We believe in one God, Father Almighty, maker of Heaven and earth". If I have dispensed with the unscriptural RCC doctrines and the unscriptural parts to the Mass then I am not in bondage to Satan. I am not being guilted by Satan into remaining in the RCC. The reason that I am choosing to remain in the RCC is that I am more comfortable with the liturgical worship of the RCC then the non liturgical worship services of Fundamentalist Protestant Churches. Another reason that I am choosing to remain in the RCC is so that I can attend church on Saturday Vigil instead of on Sunday morning in order to do other things on Sunday like laying around until going out to lunch and shopping. And I do not consider indidividuals at mots Fundamentalist Protestant Churches to be hypocrites. And who says that if someone does not grow in Christ that they will not gain entrance into Heaven? And yes I am only concerned about gaining entrance into Heaven because that was the whole reason why Christ had to be crucified on the Cross so that mankind could go to Heaven after they pass away. :painting:

I guess I should explain that they "read" from the bible but do not teach it in its context. In other words, they can make up whatever they want it to mean to fit their own needs or purposes. When I was Catholic they NEVER encouraged the church to go read it for themselves. That way they could stay in control. They brainwashed me into thinking I couldn't understand it so I might as well just stay away from it, and that I did.

There's a big problem with your number 1 (besides what you mentioned): We believe in one holy, catholic and apostolic Church. That is nauseating.

#3: sign of the cross. Are you sure? It looks upside down to me when I see people do this. If not, it's the sign of Baal. Either way, it's devil worship. And hey, news flash...Luther didn't know everything!

#4: another one that YOU have a problem with. What you pointed out is basically the main idea of that Rite.

#5: Already commented on this area.

#6: I don't have a problem with that prayer however, that was a sample prayer. It's one the catholics run with and pray over and over again. It's very repititious, which God is against those types of prayers. Just like the Hail Mary, only it's worse because it's a prayer to her. And the rosary is blasphemous! Prayer is to be reserved for God only and praying to her is offensive to God. It's sin.
I know you, Robert, do not believe in prayers to Mary but I just wanted to point this out for others who may read this.

#7: Shouldn't it ALL (the whole mass) be about Christ?

#8: Mary AGAIN!? Last I checked, she did not die for me and she cannot interceed on behalf of prayers because Jesus is our connection to God. Only Jesus. Getting back to the eucharist. The heart of Catholicism. His body and blood are not present during the time of consecration - period. Although I'm not sure if you believed in that or not but even if you don't, this is something all catholics are taught to be very serious about. Did you ever wonder what the letters meant that are written on the eucharist? IHS. It's going back to the whole Son God worship again. I wrote about it in another post. Anyway, Pagan Rome worshipped Isis, Horus, and Seb. The round disk wafer IHS symbol of Isis, Horus, Seb, was eaten as food for the soul. This was integrated into Christianity as The wafer used in the eucharist is round with IHS engraved on it. And this pagan Trinity of Isis, Horus, Seb was represented by IHS which was then made the Christogram for Jesus Christ.
I'm not going to go too deep into it now but do a little research if you have any interest.
Here's another bit of info you might find interesting. Did you know that the catholic belief is that when the bread and wine is (supposedly) turning into Jesus' body and blood, during that time they believe the priest himself BECOMES JESUS?!! Is that a stomach turner, or what?

In your last paragraph, it seems that you are more concerned with whether or not you are "comfortable" with things at church. Why would you even think God is supposed to fit into OUR comfort zones? We are to adjust to His Word. You also seem to like being in the catholic church because you can go on a Saturday so your Sunday won't get goofed up so you can LAY AROUND or go to LUNCH & then GO SHOPPING! Are you kidding me???? Jesus died for you and you're worried about how much time you have to be a bum? Thanks for your honesty but I'm really surprised that someone with such logical and analytical thinking would think such a thing! :wink:

Also, I NEVER said that if you don't grow in Christ you won't go to heaven. I believe I said something about possibly not being blessed here on earth or may miss out on some rewards in heaven.
So, you admit that all you care about it getting into heaven. So, who cares about the rest, right? That's what you said basically. You just want to make it in by the skin of your teeth. You don't seem to care about serving God right now, therefore how in the world can you be doing His will? As a Christian, isn't it a desire to grow and learn? I don't know why you bother even going to church since half of it isn't even in your heart or beliefs. You're not kidding anyone but yourself. You're especially not kidding God.

Best wishes to ya, Robert.

 

[ThreeInOne]

What difference does it make if I do not leave the RCC and do not join a Fundamentalist Protestant Church? I will still gain entrance into Heaven because of having become Born Again by praying to Christ and asking Him to become my Savior. Belonging to a Fundamentalist Protestant Church is not required for gaining entrance into Heaven. When everybody stands before Christ after they pass away He will not require for entrance into Heaven that everybody had belonged to a Fundamentalist Protestant Church in addition to having received Him as their Savior. The only thing that Christ will require for entrance into Heaven is that everybody had received Him as their Savior. :morning:

That IS correct but what about being obedient to Him? You don't seem to care about the things you are going to be accountable for.
It's truly heartbreaking to hear a Christian talk like this.

 

[Guest]

That IS correct but what about being obedient to Him? You don't seem to care about the things you are going to be accountable for.
It's truly heartbreaking to hear a Christian talk like this.

I agree - Christ's sacrifice on the Cross was for more than "Fire Insurance".

It was so that humanity might be reconcilled with God - that we would Grow in the knowledge and likeness of Christ.

If the only point of Christ's incarnation on earth was to die on the Cross - then He did not need to teach or live as an example for us for three years. He merely could have come down, died, and rose again. The whole NT would not be needed save a segment on the Death of Christ.

There is so much more to the Christian Life.

To be quite honest Robert, you are being self-centered.

 

[Guest]

What difference does it make if I do not leave the RCC and do not join a Fundamentalist Protestant Church? I will still gain entrance into Heaven because of having become Born Again by praying to Christ and asking Him to become my Savior. Belonging to a Fundamentalist Protestant Church is not required for gaining entrance into Heaven. When everybody stands before Christ after they pass away He will not require for entrance into Heaven that everybody had belonged to a Fundamentalist Protestant Church in addition to having received Him as their Savior. The only thing that Christ will require for entrance into Heaven is that everybody had received Him as their Savior. :morning:

Robert - if I may take a shot in the dark. In the political forum you have posted numerous times about why you vote for the Democratic party. Would that be the same reasoning why you feel you need to remain in the RCC?

Also, I would be interested in learning you definition of the terms:

Fundamentalist and Protestant

 

[aj830]

As a practicing Catholic I do not believe that Catholics have to believe all Catholic doctrine because there are some unscriptural Catholic doctrines and some unscriptural parts to the Mass. Only someone who has a non functioning brain, is incapable of logical and analytical thinking and is being guided by Satan would believe all Catholic doctrine and would believe that all Catholic doctrine is scriptural.

The only problem is to be a "practicing Catholic" you must believe all Catholic doctrine. You can have trouble with a doctrine and not completley understand it but if you understand it and reject it then you are not a real "practicing Catholic". If what you say is true those who reject Christ's divinity would also be "practicing Catholics". Of course this is not true and there is nothing unscriptural about the Mass.

 

[thessalonian]

Robert is quite apparently not Catholic.

 

[sisterchristian]

Robert is quite apparently not Catholic.

I really don't know what to think about this guy! :o He says he's born again but yet he still defends and attends the catholic Church! :smt021

 

[Vic C.]

Maybe he is a prostalic

:smt043

 

[thessalonian]

I really don't know what to think about this guy! :o He says he's born again but yet he still defends and attends the catholic Church! :smt021

Ya, anyone who is Catholic must be going to hell. :-? Sister C, your in for a rather rude awakening on judgement day. :bday:

 

[fcs25]

:-D The theology behind the Bible is about as clear as mud....Shows very clearly they are man made.

 

[sisterchristian]

Ya, anyone who is Catholic must be going to hell. :-? Sister C, your in for a rather rude awakening on judgement day. :bday:

Umm.... I know that Jesus Christ is the way the truth and the Life, So I know where I'm going! no doubt about that! the question is... do you?? (you better check yourself)

 

[RobertMazar]

Robert is quite apparently not Catholic.

Knock off this insanity that I am not Catholic. If I was Baptized and raised Catholic, attend Mass every weekend, was not Baptized and raised Protestant and do not attend or belong to any Protestant Church then I am not Protestant and there is nothing else that I can be but Catholic. :morning:

 

[RobertMazar]

I really don't know what to think about this guy! :o He says he's born again but yet he still defends and attends the catholic Church! :smt021

I am not defending the Catholic Church entirely. I only defend the scriptural doctrines and scriptural parts to the Mass. And just because I have chosen to remain in the Catholic Church after having become Born Again does not mean that I am not Born Again and that I will not gain entrance into Heaven. Who says that everybody who becomes Born Again has to leave the Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church and Mainline Protestant Churches and join a Fundamentalist Protestant Church or else they will in no way gain entrance into Heaven? When everybody stands before Christ after they pass away He will not require for entrance into Heaven that everybody had belonged to a Fundamentalist Protestant Church in addition to having received Him as their Savior. The only thing that Christ will require for entrance into Heaven is that everybody had received Him as their Savior. :morning:

 

[mondar]

:-D The theology behind the Bible is about as clear as mud....Shows very clearly they are man made.

Why would the fact that you do not understand the bible mean that it is man made?

 

[thessalonian]

Knock off this insanity that I am not Catholic. If I was Baptized and raised Catholic, attend Mass every weekend, was not Baptized and raised Protestant and do not attend or belong to any Protestant Church then I am not Protestant and there is nothing else that I can be but Catholic. :morning:

No, Robert, Catholic is more than where you go to Church on Sunday's. Little that you believe is Catholic. Now perhaps you are in total ignorance. I can't discount that. But it doesn't sound that way. You raise yourself above 2000 years of Chruch teaching. Your not Catholic.