Changed from pretribulation to post-tribulation view of the rapture

[for_his_glory]

"I saw a beast rising out of the sea, .............
The dragon gave him his power and his throne and great authority.
"I saw one of his heads as if it was mortally wounded, but his deadly wound was healed, and the whole world marveled and followed the beast.
They worshiped the dragon who gave authority to the beast.
And they worshiped the beast,....."

If one just believes/heeds the Revelation, it's not complicated.

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And how many Presidents have had an audience with the Pope and even have kissed his ring that we have seen pictures of them!!! Theories are not truth, but only what man speculates in their theories.

 

[for_his_glory]

When Jesus returns as per Rev 19, the saved will be with Him.
He won't be coming to earth to "gather the elect" like He did in the era of ancient Israel.

Where in scripture does it say Jesus came back to gather the elect in the era of ancient Israel?

John made is very clear in what Jesus said in John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

 

[John Prewett]

Where in scripture does it say Jesus came back to gather the elect in the era of ancient Israel? ............

In Paul's letters about the end time scenario plus works of Jesus Himself as recorded in Matt 24.

"....... they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather His elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other. "
Matt 24: 30-31

".... this generation will not pass away until all these things take place." Matt 24:34

 

[Randy]

In Paul's letters about the end time scenario plus works of Jesus Himself as recorded in Matt 24.

"....... they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather His elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other. "
Matt 24: 30-31

".... this generation will not pass away until all these things take place." Matt 24:34

So your position is a 1st century partial rapture of just 1st century Jews that came to Christ and believed in Him?

And its,
And he will send his angels and gather his elect from the four winds, from the ends of the earth to the ends of the heavens."

So you also hold to a 1st century resurrection?


Randy

 

[John Prewett]

............................................
"And he will send his angels and gather his elect from the four winds,
from the ends of the earth to the ends of the heavens." Matt 24: 31

So you also hold to a 1st century resurrection? Randy

Of course

".... this generation will not pass away until all these things take place." Matt 24:34

 

[Randy]

Of course

".... this generation will not pass away until all these things take place." Matt 24:34

Which generation? The one that sees these events taking place or the one Jesus is preaching to? What date is that to you?

So where are these resurrected immortals today for as the church teaches those bodily resurrected by Jesus, at the will of the Father, will not have body's of the dust of the earth as flesh and blood can't inherit the everlasting Kingdom that can never be destroyed?

When did this last day take place?
For my Father's will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day."

 

[JLB]

So if i showed myself as a Prophet, that makes me one?

No.


If God moves upon you with His word, demonstrating Himself through you are as a prophet, then you are a prophet.


We know the antichrist is not God.


However, not all will know this, as he will do signs and lying wonders to deceive people into thinking he is God so they will follow him, obey him and take his mark.


God Himself will be sending those who do not love the truth a strong delusion through the workings of the antichrist to deceive.

• And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie,

The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
2 Thessalonians 2:9-12






JLB

 

[dianegcook]

Acts 1:11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

1 John 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

The son of perdition being the man of sin will not reflect the glorious body of Christ, but he can literally project it in the sky as to deceive all nations.

Is there any scripture to that?
2Cor.11:14
No marvel, for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
Gal.1:8
....or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel..let him be accursed..

 

[for_his_glory]

Is there any scripture to that?
2Cor.11:14
No marvel, for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
Gal.1:8
....or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel..let him be accursed..

The son of perdition we read about in 2 Thessalonians 2:3-9 is a man/last antichrist that Satan works through that will show lying signs and wonders and one of those signs is to project to the world Jesus returning in the clouds. Look up Project Bluebeam.

Matthew 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. 24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

2 Thessalonians 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

 

[for_his_glory]

In Paul's letters about the end time scenario plus works of Jesus Himself as recorded in Matt 24.

"....... they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather His elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other. "
Matt 24: 30-31

".... this generation will not pass away until all these things take place." Matt 24:34

Please give me the scripture Paul wrote about this end time scenario.

There is only one resurrection of the saints of God as Christ only returns once, not twice.

John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

John 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, 29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

John 6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. 39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. 40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Jesus only returns one time as He returns in the air with His army of angels and with the brightness of His coming destroys the beast and false prophet casting them into the lake of fire and all the remnant that followed after the beast will He slain. It's at this time He will send His angels out to the four corners of the earth to gather His own to Him as we are then caught up to meet Him in the air, Matthew 24:29-31; 2 Thessalonians 2:8; Rev 19:11-21.

 

[dianegcook]

The son of perdition we read about in 2 Thessalonians 2:3-9 is a man/last antichrist that Satan works through that will show lying signs and wonders and one of those signs is to project to the world Jesus returning in the clouds. Look up Project Bluebeam.

Matthew 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. 24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

2 Thessalonians 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

Will check it out.
I believe Satan will never be born in the flesh, because he left his first estate, left his own habitation.
Jude 6
Wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness 4ever.
Jude 13

 

[for_his_glory]

And was the first and only avowed Roman Catholic POTUS of a nation that had been deemed a Protestant nation and was at that time deemed the most powerful nation in the world and who had a sexual history worthy of a Beast and who shortly later received a world famous "terrible, fatal appearing head wound" and then had a charade of an autopsy and government fictional explanation of the shooting.View attachment 8309

Again, only man's theory.

Rev 13:1-4

The seven heads are that of the Babylonian Empire, Medo/Persian Empire, Grecian Empire and Roman Empire that I explained earlier in who the ten nations were. The ten horns represent the nations the Roman Empire scattered to when the deadly wound was put upon them, Daniel 7:23-25; Rev 13. The deadly wound came in 1798 when General Berthier of France captured Pope Pius VI, who soon died in captivity in Valence, on August 29, 1799. Seven of these nations are the ancestors of the modern nations of Europe.

These ten nations were the Anglo-Saxons (English), the Franks (French), Suevi (Portuguese), Visigoths (Spanish), Burgundians (Swiss), Alemanni (Germans), Lombards (Italians), Ostrogoths, Heruli, and the Vandals in northern Africa. The last three being Ostrogoths, Heruli, and the Vandals had already been destroyed by the Roman Empire before their deadly wound came in 1798.

What was, was Roman rule from 538 AD with Emperor Justinian’s decree and under the military protection of Belisarius until the deadly wound, was not, came in 1798 by General Berthier who made his entrance into Rome and abolished the Roman government and established a secular one. This was the time when Rome persecuted the Christians and killed them which were approximately 500 million people slain for the cause of their faith in Jesus. In 1801 Napoleon made an agreement with Pope Pius II establishing Napoleon’s Organic Articles of granting the Tribunal and the Corps legislative partial control of the concordat in order to help the state monitor any politically harmful Catholic or Protestant movements or activities. The wound was largely healed in 1929 when Mussolini gave the Vatican back to the Pope and established it as a country in it's own right in the Lateran Treaty.

 

[for_his_glory]

Will check it out.
I believe Satan will never be born in the flesh, because he left his first estate, left his own habitation.
Jude 6
Wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness 4ever.
Jude 13

I agree, Satan will never be born in the flesh, but can only work through the flesh of this man of sin being the lawless one who works through all power and signs and lying wonders that Satan gives him, 2 Thessalonians 2:9.

 

[dianegcook]

I agree, Satan will never be born in the flesh, but can only work through the flesh of this man of sin being the lawless one who works through all power and signs and lying wonders that Satan gives him, 2 Thessalonians 2:9.

So he is possessed ?
So in Rev.20:7
Satan will be loosed out of his prison, will this be by possession also, to deceive the nations?

 

[for_his_glory]

So he is possessed ?
So in Rev.20:7
Satan will be loosed out of his prison, will this be by possession also, to deceive the nations?

No, this man is not possessed and how can Satan posses himself.

Rev 13

The beast rises up out of the sea as the sea here is symbolic of people and nations as in a sea of humanity, Daniel Chapter 7:1-8; Revelation 17:15. This beast out of the sea is a Luciferian empire system starting way back with Nimrod and the Tower of Babel and the establishment of the Babylonian Empire continuing up to the last of the seven remaining nations which is the Roman Empire that received a deadly wound in 1798, but the wound was healed in 1929. This evil system is what gives its power and authority to the son of perdition, the man of lawlessness who will literally take his seat in Jerusalem exalting himself above God as he claims he is God, 2 Thessalonians2:3, 4.

Their agenda includes total global control over political, military, economic, educational, religious and environmental systems for the deceptive purpose of ensuring global peace, prosperity and order during the timing of the seventh trumpet. The first six trumpets are Gods chastisements on those who refuse to repent and turn back to His grace. The whole world will be thrown into total chaos and fear as everyone his brother will turn on each other if they have not the love of Christ in them as there will be little to no resources left for survival and man will do anything in order to survive. Many will be seeking a savior type in their time of distress an uncertainty as they will bow down to this false god/son of perdition/last antichrist that will promise them provision and safety, but yet rejecting the true Savior Christ Jesus, 2 Chronicles 7:14.

 

[dianegcook]

No, this man is not possessed and how can Satan posses himself.

Rev 13

The beast rises up out of the sea as the sea here is symbolic of people and nations as in a sea of humanity, Daniel Chapter 7:1-8; Revelation 17:15. This beast out of the sea is a Luciferian empire system starting way back with Nimrod and the Tower of Babel and the establishment of the Babylonian Empire continuing up to the last of the seven remaining nations which is the Roman Empire that received a deadly wound in 1798, but the wound was healed in 1929. This evil system is what gives its power and authority to the son of perdition, the man of lawlessness who will literally take his seat in Jerusalem exalting himself above God as he claims he is God, 2 Thessalonians2:3, 4.

Their agenda includes total global control over political, military, economic, educational, religious and environmental systems for the deceptive purpose of ensuring global peace, prosperity and order during the timing of the seventh trumpet. The first six trumpets are Gods chastisements on those who refuse to repent and turn back to His grace. The whole world will be thrown into total chaos and fear as everyone his brother will turn on each other if they have not the love of Christ in them as there will be little to no resources left for survival and man will do anything in order to survive. Many will be seeking a savior type in their time of distress an uncertainty as they will bow down to this false god/son of perdition/last antichrist that will promise them provision and safety, but yet rejecting the true Savior Christ Jesus, 2 Chronicles 7:14.

Yes, I agree with most of what you stated, but the Roman Empire, deadly wound, and such happening already, I don't know.

So you are saying that the man of sin, son of perdition, antichrist man will be possessed?
But not the latter?

I read up on the blue beam project, it was astonishing!
Hopefully this conspiracy theory, will not come to pass.
Just remember, if you are still in the flesh, pinch yourself, lol, then it be the fake one.

Hope NASA has better sense than that.

 

[John Prewett]

Which generation? The one that sees these events taking place or the one Jesus is preaching to? ............

The years of our life are seventy, and if by reason of strength eighty;
yet their length is toil and sorrow, for they soon end, and we fly away. Psalm 90:10

Same generation as the disciples. Same generation Jesus was in some 2000 years ago.
70 years is a standard man's life & generation. Temple destroyed in 70 AD. Doesn't that ring a bell ?

So where are these resurrected immortals today ...............

In heaven with Jesus.

"For my Father's will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day."

When did this last day take place?

The "last day" of THAT era/generation took place some 2000 years ago.

Then the era of the Revelation came into being.
Some call it the CE (Christian Era) The era WE are in.
The Revelation reveals OUR end of era scenario.

Revelation 13->forward reveals soul saving blessing conveying information about OUR end of era scenario/sequence of events found nowhere else.

Satan wants all to get sidetracked by thinking Paul wrote of our end time scenario
and by thinking the Matt 24:34 generation is our generation.

 

[John Prewett]

Again, only man's theory.

Rev 13:1-4
The seven heads are that of the Babylonian Empire, Medo/Persian Empire, Grecian Empire and Roman Empire that I explained earlier in who the ten nations were. The ten horns represent the nations the Roman Empire scattered to when the deadly wound was put upon them, Daniel 7:23-25; Rev 13. The deadly wound came in 1798 when General Berthier of France captured Pope Pius VI, who soon died in captivity in Valence, on August 29, 1799. Seven of these nations are the ancestors of the modern nations of Europe. These ten nations were the Anglo-Saxons (English), the Franks (French), Suevi (Portuguese), Visigoths (Spanish), Burgundians (Swiss), Alemanni (Germans), Lombards (Italians), Ostrogoths, Heruli, and the Vandals in northern Africa. The last three being Ostrogoths, Heruli, and the Vandals had already been destroyed by the Roman Empire before their deadly wound came in 1798.What was, was Roman rule from 538 AD with Emperor Justinian’s decree and under the military protection of Belisarius until the deadly wound, was not, came in 1798 by General Berthier who made his entrance into Rome and abolished the Roman government and established a secular one. This was the time when Rome persecuted the Christians and killed them which were approximately 500 million people slain for the cause of their faith in Jesus. In 1801 Napoleon made an agreement with Pope Pius II establishing Napoleon’s Organic Articles of granting the Tribunal and the Corps legislative partial control of the concordat in order to help the state monitor any politically harmful Catholic or Protestant movements or activities. The wound was largely healed in 1929 when Mussolini gave the Vatican back to the Pope and established it as a country in it's own right in the Lateran Treaty.

Again, only man's theory . Well, actually a woman made it famous.
Made famous by the Seventh Day Adventist cult.

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[John Prewett]

Please give me the scripture Paul wrote about this end time scenario. ....

It's scripture YOU often cite.

 

[JLB]

There is only one resurrection of the saints of God as Christ only returns once, not twice.

Amen.