The False Doctrine of a 7-year Tribulation

[Consecrated Life]

Well can you not just ask Him about this? Since He left He has never ever told one person PRE or MID or POST was right or wrong. Yeah never. Man reads His word man then tell us what they personally believe and DUH what they personally believe is the real gospel.. what others believer duh is wrong. Just be ready now.. its HIM only HIM.. to be thinking of Him every day and watching what you do so you live right. Its a house many are busy doing other things.. some are looking out the window watching.. HE is coming

One thing we do know is that only one of these , PRE, , can happen at any moment and has no requirement for specific circumstances to be taking place on earth to trigger His coming.
The other two both require that very specific circumstances are taking place on earth to trigger His coming.

 

[miamited]

So I found this Hymn writer who wrote about Christ coming to get His Church before the great tribulation dating 300-400ad. Its on the Internet other preachers have talked about this guy.

Hi Blade

I think we need to be careful about letting songs tell us the truth of God's word. What if the song writer is wrong? And I'd also question whether finding ONE example of such teaching 300 A.D. necessarily means that such a theological position was widely accepted by the 'church'.

Well can you not just ask Him about this? Since He left He has never ever told one person PRE or MID or POST was right or wrong.

Since he left, I don't think he's said anything about anything. But Paul, his chosen one to go before the Gentiles did say that Jesus' return would not come until the lawless one was revealed. I don't believe that's happened yet. If it hasn't happened, as I believe, then the return of Christ will not happen until that event and that event seems to be in line with the last days of the great tribulation.

 

[Little Owl]

"The theory of the pre tribulation rapture theory.... "

God.
And his word.

The mistake in OP threads of this nature is when respondents post thinking to lead the author aright.

God's word does not teach them the truth. We never shall.

The seven years are not contiguous.

For a thorough teaching on the fact of the pretrib rapture that is spelled out in Scripture I highly recommend the teaching of Chuck Missler. He is on YouTube.

God rest you and your sir.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

Also I believe He was actually born in late September but for times sake I won't try to document that now. But that would fit perfectly with His 3 1/2 year ministry since He was likely crucified in late March or early April. Either way you can find out more about the dating error on Wikipedia.

Jesus was born on the feast of tabernacle, which is six months from Passover, where John the Baptist was born, you can find the clue in Luke 1. That does fit with 3 1/2 year ministry since his ministry started around his 30th birthday, so it was from another tabernacle to Passover. It is erroneous to count on Gregorian calendar, you know, on Jewish calendar a month is only 29 days on average, and there’s a leap month about every three year, you add that in the equation, then it’ll fit.

 

[RandyK]

Since He left He has never ever told one person PRE or MID or POST was right or wrong.

I don't agree. 2 Thes 2 makes it perfectly clear that Jesus will come back for his Church *at* the destruction of Antichrist, and that he *cannot come back* before that event. This is based on Jesus' statement that prior to his Coming from Heaven he will be preceded by *false comings.* He will *only* come from Heaven at the end of the age, to gather his people.

Finally, these are based on Dan 7, where the Son of Man descends from the clouds of heaven to deliver the saints from the Man of Sin. This is explicitly Postrib.

 

[reddogs]

"The theory of the pre tribulation rapture theory.... "

God.
And his word.

The mistake in OP threads of this nature is when respondents post thinking to lead the author aright.

God's word does not teach them the truth. We never shall.

The seven years are not contiguous.

For a thorough teaching on the fact of the pretrib rapture that is spelled out in Scripture I highly recommend the teaching of Chuck Missler. He is on YouTube.

God rest you and your sir.

It is confused and not what Scripture gives...

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

I don't agree. 2 Thes 2 makes it perfectly clear that Jesus will come back for his Church *at* the destruction of Antichrist, and that he *cannot come back* before that event. This is based on Jesus' statement that prior to his Coming from Heaven he will be preceded by *false comings.* He will *only* come from Heaven at the end of the age, to gather his people.

Finally, these are based on Dan 7, where the Son of Man descends from the clouds of heaven to deliver the saints from the Man of Sin. This is explicitly Postrib.

Yes, it is a common belief that the first rider on the white horse in the first seal is a counterfeit Christ.

 

[RandyK]

Yes, it is a common belief that the first rider on the white horse in the first seal is a counterfeit Christ.

I'm not dead-set on my views here, but I think the 4 horsemen are angels. The 4 horsemen are intimately related to the 4 living creatures, who also seem to be angels. The throne is surrounded by both angels and these 4 living creatures, makring them as, I think, an angelic multitude. And John was told the revelation was coming to him via an angel.

Rev 1.1 The revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel ...

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

I'm not dead-set on my views here, but I think the 4 horsemen are angels. The 4 horsemen are intimately related to the 4 living creatures, who also seem to be angels. The throne is surrounded by both angels and these 4 living creatures, makring them as, I think, an angelic multitude. And John was told the revelation was coming to him via an angel.

Rev 1.1 The revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel ...

Those are four spirits of heaven, but not necessarily the same four living creatures in the throne room.

Then I turned and raised my eyes and looked, and behold, four chariots were coming from between two mountains, and the mountains were mountains of bronze. With the first chariot were red horses, with the second chariot black horses, with the third chariot white horses, and with the fourth chariot dappled horses—strong steeds. Then I answered and said to the angel who talked with me, “What are these, my lord?”

And the angel answered and said to me, “These are four spirits of heaven, who go out from their station before the Lord of all the earth. The one with the black horses is going to the north country, the white are going after them, and the dappled are going toward the south country.” Then the strong steeds went out, eager to go, that they might walk to and fro throughout the earth. And He said, “Go, walk to and fro throughout the earth.” So they walked to and fro throughout the earth. And He called to me, and spoke to me, saying, “See, those who go toward the north country have given rest to My Spirit in the north country.” (Zach. 6:1-8)

 

[RandyK]

Those are four spirits of heaven, but not necessarily the same four living creatures in the throne room.

Then I turned and raised my eyes and looked, and behold, four chariots were coming from between two mountains, and the mountains were mountains of bronze. With the first chariot were red horses, with the second chariot black horses, with the third chariot white horses, and with the fourth chariot dappled horses—strong steeds. Then I answered and said to the angel who talked with me, “What are these, my lord?”

And the angel answered and said to me, “These are four spirits of heaven, who go out from their station before the Lord of all the earth. The one with the black horses is going to the north country, the white are going after them, and the dappled are going toward the south country.” Then the strong steeds went out, eager to go, that they might walk to and fro throughout the earth. And He said, “Go, walk to and fro throughout the earth.” So they walked to and fro throughout the earth. And He called to me, and spoke to me, saying, “See, those who go toward the north country have given rest to My Spirit in the north country.” (Zach. 6:1-8)

Some commentators think this took place in the time of Zephania, angels preparing the way ahead of Israel's future. Israel was allowed to advance in peace in an age of warfare. Similarly, God's angels are establishing a measure of peace in an age of evil so that God's Church can advance.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

Some commentators think this took place in the time of Zephania, angels preparing the way ahead of Israel's future. Israel was allowed to advance in peace in an age of warfare. Similarly, God's angels are establishing a measure of peace in an age of evil so that God's Church can advance.

There's nothing new under the sun, the same prophecy can be applicable in different times on different scales. Case in point, in another of Zachariah's vision, he saw two olive trees, which turned out to be Zerubbabel and Joshua the priest. But in Rev. 11 the same vision was revealed to apostle John, and this time the two witnesses of God during the great tribulation.

 

[RandyK]

There's nothing new under the sun, the same prophecy can be applicable in different times on different scales. Case in point, in another of Zachariah's vision, he saw two olive trees, which turned out to be Zerubbabel and Joshua the priest. But in Rev. 11 the same vision was revealed to apostle John, and this time the two witnesses of God during the great tribulation.

Yes, thanks for the correction--I meant Zechariah--not Zephania! Anyway, I think the NT author took old of the OT symbols not to apply it as a dual prophecy, but rather, to imply that the same principle exists in a different context.

In the case of Zechariah's prophecy, the idea had to do with clearing out a way for Israel's restoration. The NT author applies this principle to imply that the way is cleared for the Church to advance.

With respect to the 2 lampstands in Zechariah, the reference was, as you indicated, to Joshua the priest and Zerubbabel. They prepared for the rebuilding of the Temple. But in the NT author, the reference is to preparation for a Christian Salvation.

So maybe we're just saying similar things?

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

Yes, thanks for the correction--I meant Zechariah--not Zephania! Anyway, I think the NT author took old of the OT symbols not to apply it as a dual prophecy, but rather, to imply that the same principle exists in a different context.

In the case of Zechariah's prophecy, the idea had to do with clearing out a way for Israel's restoration. The NT author applies this principle to imply that the way is cleared for the Church to advance.

With respect to the 2 lampstands in Zechariah, the reference was, as you indicated, to Joshua the priest and Zerubbabel. They prepared for the rebuilding of the Temple. But in the NT author, the reference is to preparation for a Christian Salvation.

So maybe we're just saying similar things?

Yeah, maybe. The bible does have its own code language, and it's not always limited to one historic event or another. The context varies, while the principle remains the same. There's always new discoveries and new updates that actually fulfill bible prophecies in a way you don't expect, you just need an open mind and the wisdom to discern reality from a biblical prospect.