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Changed from pretribulation to post-tribulation view of the rapture

Please explain in a common sense way, how posttribbers will get to the marriage and supper that will take place in heaven before Jesus descends to the battle?

15 I saw another great and marvelous sign in heaven: seven angels having the seven last plagues, for in them the wrath of God is complete. 2 And I saw what looked like a sea of glass mixed with fire, and those who have the victory over the beast, over his image and over his mark and over the number of his name, standing on the sea of glass, having harps of God. Rev 15:1-2

To be among the saved or OUR era, one must " have the victory over the beast,
over his image and over his mark and over the number of his name,".


We who " have the victory over the beast, over his image and over his mark and over the number of his name," will convene WITH Jesus as per Revelation 15.

We will get there shortly after we have been beheaded.
Then we will follow Jesus back to this world as per Revelation 19.
Then we will "reign with Christ" as per Revelation 20:4.

4 I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and the authority to judge was given to them. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness of Jesus and for the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands.
They came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.
Revelation 20:4
 
Satan comes in many names.
Serpent, Dragon, Lucifer, lawless one, king of tyre, antichrist, abomination of desolation, death..
They are different roles that he takes.
Yes,I agree antichrist role will be destroyed.
I do not believe that the antichrist will be a man though.
I believe it will be a supernatural being that performs miracles.
Imho

The man of sin is a man.





JLB
 
It just makes more sense to me. At the last trump, after the sun turns dark and moon turns to blood, the angels will gather together his elect from the four corners of the earth. It makes sense with what Jesus says in Matthew 24, and what Paul says in Thessalonians, with what John says in the book of Revelation, and also with Daniel. I've been trying to fit a round peg in a square hole all this time, until I accepted that post-tribulation better describes the rapture.
Realizing that the rapture doesn't happen until after the last trumpet gets me to think about the 'great tribulation'.

How prepared am I to reject the 'mark of the beast' when it will be a requirement to buy and sell during the last days?

In peace
 
Realizing that the rapture doesn't happen until after the last trumpet gets me to think about the 'great tribulation'.

How prepared am I to reject the 'mark of the beast' when it will be a requirement to buy and sell during the last days?

In peace


Well said.
 
.................How prepared am I to reject the 'mark of the beast' when it will be a requirement to buy and sell during the last days? In peace

People fit to be known as Christians know Jesus's people can live very well without need to "buy and sell" ...........

“Therefore, I say to you, take no thought about your life, what you will eat, or what you will drink, nor about your body, what you will put on. Is not life more than food and the body than clothing? Look at the birds of the air, for they do not sow, nor do they reap, nor gather into barns. Yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not much better than they?
Matthew 6:25-34

I predict Jesus's servants will be energized from on high .....
will not need to eat ordinary "food" .... nor even sleep, for that matter.
 
The man of sin is a man.





JLB
2Thess.2:3
That man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition...
Satan is the only son of perdition, he is the only one that has been judged.
He has a death sentence.

Rev.13:13,14
He Doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men.
He deceiveth them by the means of those miracles which he had power to do....

A supernatural being, imho.
 
People fit to be known as Christians know Jesus's people can live very well without need to "buy and sell" ...........

“Therefore, I say to you, take no thought about your life, what you will eat, or what you will drink, nor about your body, what you will put on. Is not life more than food and the body than clothing? Look at the birds of the air, for they do not sow, nor do they reap, nor gather into barns. Yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not much better than they?
Matthew 6:25-34

I predict Jesus's servants will be energized from on high .....
will not need to eat ordinary "food" .... nor even sleep, for that matter.
Why not start living like that now...?
BTW, read the previous verse in the one you quoted. Maybe Jesus is asking us to do that.?:confused

In peace
 
2Thess.2:3
That man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition...
Satan is the only son of perdition, he is the only one that has been judged.
He has a death sentence.


Satan is a fallen angel.


The man of sin is a man.

Flesh and blood man that will do signs and wonders to deceive.


He does these signs and wonders according to the working of Satan.


He is not Satan himself.


The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 2 Thessalonians 2:9-10




JLB
 
Therefore you also be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect.” Luke 12:40 NKJV
You mean like a thief in the night? Because of revelation and other scripture the saints will understand, be ready, and be eagerly awaiting the Lords return. A powerful delusion is sent into the world in those days to deceive the wicked into believing the lie of the beast who is trampling the whole world down. Those people who think the wicked are those that don't bow to the beast and they state "who can make war with the beast". They who follow and believe the lie will be shocked and surprised when Jesus appears suddenly to destroy the beast and His armies and pronounce judgment in favor (not against) of the saints of the most High.

Though a sudden and unexpected surprise to the unbelieving and wicked at the very end of the age it is a coming of the Lord that is seen by all.
Rev 16:14-16
They are demonic spirits that perform signs, and they go out to the kings of the whole world, to gather them for the battle on the great day of God Almighty.

15 “Look, I come like a thief! Blessed is the one who stays awake and remains clothed, so as not to go naked and be shamefully exposed.”

16 Then they gathered the kings together to the place that in Hebrew is called Armageddon.
 
Satan is a fallen angel.


The man of sin is a man.

Flesh and blood man that will do signs and wonders to deceive.


He does these signs and wonders according to the working of Satan.


He is not Satan himself.


The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 2 Thessalonians 2:9-10




JLB

Who is the son of perdition?

An angel has some kind of form.
Like Michael, Gabriel...
As in Rev.19:10
John fell at the angels feet..

As in Gen.19:1,5
Came 2 angels to Sodom...

The men of Sodom called unto Lot saying, Where are the men which came in to thee this night,Bring them out unto us, that we may know them..

In Rev.9:1-19

I believe this chapter speaks as the tribulation period.
It was reduced to a 5 month period.
These angels faces were the face of men.
They had breast plates, priestly..
Had tails like unto scorpions.

They had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Greek, Apollyon, Hebrew,Abaddon , which is Satan.

I believe Satan will come as Christ would look, pretending to be Christ. Which is blasphemy.
Sitting on the throne of Christ.
But out of their mouths issued fire and brimstone, which are lies. To deceive..
If possible even deceive the very Elect.

That is why in my opinion, the pretrib. rapture is so dangerous.
Not to offend anyone.

He will come as an angel of light.
2Cor.11:14
For Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

Peace..
 
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John Prewett posted:
I predict Jesus's servants will be energized from on high .....
will not need to eat ordinary "food" .... nor even sleep, for that matter.



Because (at least for me) Isaiah 40:31 has not yet come to pass.
In your opinion when does that verse in Isaiah come to pass? Is that scripture tied to the rapture/Great tribulation?

In peace
 
In your opinion when does that verse in Isaiah come to pass?
Is that scripture tied to the rapture/Great tribulation? In peace

IMeversoHO,.... Sooner rather than later ... like anytime now......

.... one caveat .... I'm spring-loaded to 'jump the gun'

I think it is tied to:

" .............................when the enemy shall come in like a flood,
the Spirit of the Lord shall lift up a standard against him."
Isaiah 59:19
 
. . .. . . .. . ..
I predict Jesus's servants will be energized from on high .....
will not need to eat ordinary "food" .... nor even sleep, for that matter.

i do not personally believe this to be True. However. All things are possible to those who know God. So who am i to say differently?
 
2Thess.2:3
That man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition...
Satan is the only son of perdition, he is the only one that has been judged.
He has a death sentence.

Not only him has been judged but all those Angels that fell with him have already been judged too. And theirs is a death sentence to. But they are planning to change that sentence if they can win the Battle against God after they are released. Hence the reason satan and his demons are working so hard to get all humans to continue to live in sin, so as to be a part of satan's army at that last battle. click HERE to read an article why God is allowing this opportunity for satan to win his freedom from the death sentence.

Rev.13:13,14
He Doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men.
He deceiveth them by the means of those miracles which he had power to do....

And that will be a human man that does those miracles.

A supernatural being, imho.

They also thought the Apostle Paul was a God among the primitive people of that island they were stranded on. The Son of God was 100% human and was called Jesus on the Earth. In the last days the son of satan will also be 100% human and is the anti-christ.

Who is the son of perdition?

An angel has some kind of form.
Like Michael, Gabriel...
As in Rev.19:10
John fell at the angels feet..

As in Gen.19:1,5
Came 2 angels to Sodom...

The men of Sodom called unto Lot saying, Where are the men which came in to thee this night,Bring them out unto us, that we may know them..

Angels look human for sure. But the anti-christ is not an angel, fallen or otherwise.

In Rev.9:1-19

I believe this chapter speaks as the tribulation period.
It was reduced to a 5 month period.
These angels faces were the face of men.
They had breast plates, priestly..
Had tails like unto scorpions.

They had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Greek, Apollyon, Hebrew,Abaddon , which is Satan.

If you will hear it, Good. if you will hear it not, that is also OK. The hadron collider will open up a portal that will allow these creatures to enter into our world. All according to the plan of God to allow all that is prophesied to happen, will happen. Believe it, fine. Don't believe it, that fine to. But you will believe it when you see them. They will all perish after five months though, their immune systems can't handle any kind of virus at all. And once one of them eats infected blood. it does not take long before they are all infected. They eat their own, which only spreads the virus even faster.

I believe Satan will come as Christ would look, pretending to be Christ. Which is blasphemy.
Sitting on the throne of Christ.
But out of their mouths issued fire and brimstone, which are lies. To deceive..
If possible even deceive the very Elect.

The anti-christ will appear to be the Messiah to the Jews, and also the Messiah to the Muslims. Hence the reason he is able to get a 7 year peace agreement signed between those two nations, and the Jews rebuild their Temple because it. This human man will then one day go into the Holy of Hollies in the Temple desecrating it. This is when the Jews will realize that he is NOT the Messiah. And the peace treaty is annulled, and all out war happens in the middle east.

That is why in my opinion, the pretrib. rapture is so dangerous.
Not to offend anyone.

Your absolutely right. The pretrib belief is so dangerous because After the Tribulations start and Jesus did not come when all those who believed in pretrib, thought He should have. And when these here the anti-Christ saying on all airways everywhere "Where is your God now?" during a time of great distress on the planet. They will most certainly fall away from the Faith, because they did not listen to, or hearken to all those before them, telling them that pretrib is a lie from satan, it is not Scriptural.

He will come as an angel of light.
2Cor.11:14
For Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

Know you not that there is Good and Bad. Yen and Yang. Up and down. Big and small. Huge and tiny. Jesus is the Son of God. the anti-christ is the son of satan. Jesus gives the Holy Ghost to mere humans and they perform miracles and the such. satan in a like manner can posses a human with one of his demons and they will have powers of satan, to perform miracles. Moses a mere man, performed miracles in front of Pharaoh. But so did the magicians perform like miracles NOT from God in front of Pharaoh as well. Moses was not an Angel. nor were the Magicians devils. They only did what God and satan allowed them to do.

The anti-christ will be a human man. And if you want to hear something totally ironic, is that this man, will not even believe in any kind of God or satan either. He will be 100% Atheist. And believes any person who believes in any of that stuff is weak and should be put to death. He will be all about the Human Race, putting all religions away, because there ain't no God, just us humans. He will neither curse God or worship satan, he will not believe in any of that nonsense. And after the world is on fire and destroyed, he will convince most of the world as he believes "Where is your God now? Did He stop the world from burning? Did He save billions of people who died during the meteor shower on the Earth? Did your God stop your loved ones from dying? Put your petty Gods away, lets come together as a human people" Many, and i say many during this time will fall away from the Faith, not just the Christian Faith, but all Faiths of the world will fall away because of the anti-christ and what he believes and teaches.
 
Not only him has been judged but all those Angels that fell with him have already been judged too. And theirs is a death sentence to. But they are planning to change that sentence if they can win the Battle against God after they are released. Hence the reason satan and his demons are working so hard to get all humans to continue to live in sin, so as to be a part of satan's army at that last battle. click HERE to read an article why God is allowing this opportunity for satan to win his freedom from the death sentence.



And that will be a human man that does those miracles.



They also thought the Apostle Paul was a God among the primitive people of that island they were stranded on. The Son of God was 100% human and was called Jesus on the Earth. In the last days the son of satan will also be 100% human and is the anti-christ.



Angels look human for sure. But the anti-christ is not an angel, fallen or otherwise.



If you will hear it, Good. if you will hear it not, that is also OK. The hadron collider will open up a portal that will allow these creatures to enter into our world. All according to the plan of God to allow all that is prophesied to happen, will happen. Believe it, fine. Don't believe it, that fine to. But you will believe it when you see them. They will all perish after five months though, their immune systems can't handle any kind of virus at all. And once one of them eats infected blood. it does not take long before they are all infected. They eat their own, which only spreads the virus even faster.



The anti-christ will appear to be the Messiah to the Jews, and also the Messiah to the Muslims. Hence the reason he is able to get a 7 year peace agreement signed between those two nations, and the Jews rebuild their Temple because it. This human man will then one day go into the Holy of Hollies in the Temple desecrating it. This is when the Jews will realize that he is NOT the Messiah. And the peace treaty is annulled, and all out war happens in the middle east.



Your absolutely right. The pretrib belief is so dangerous because After the Tribulations start and Jesus did not come when all those who believed in pretrib, thought He should have. And when these here the anti-Christ saying on all airways everywhere "Where is your God now?" during a time of great distress on the planet. They will most certainly fall away from the Faith, because they did not listen to, or hearken to all those before them, telling them that pretrib is a lie from satan, it is not Scriptural.



Know you not that there is Good and Bad. Yen and Yang. Up and down. Big and small. Huge and tiny. Jesus is the Son of God. the anti-christ is the son of satan. Jesus gives the Holy Ghost to mere humans and they perform miracles and the such. satan in a like manner can posses a human with one of his demons and they will have powers of satan, to perform miracles. Moses a mere man, performed miracles in front of Pharaoh. But so did the magicians perform like miracles NOT from God in front of Pharaoh as well. Moses was not an Angel. nor were the Magicians devils. They only did what God and satan allowed them to do.

The anti-christ will be a human man. And if you want to hear something totally ironic, is that this man, will not even believe in any kind of God or satan either. He will be 100% Atheist. And believes any person who believes in any of that stuff is weak and should be put to death. He will be all about the Human Race, putting all religions away, because there ain't no God, just us humans. He will neither curse God or worship satan, he will not believe in any of that nonsense. And after the world is on fire and destroyed, he will convince most of the world as he believes "Where is your God now? Did He stop the world from burning? Did He save billions of people who died during the meteor shower on the Earth? Did your God stop your loved ones from dying? Put your petty Gods away, lets come together as a human people" Many, and i say many during this time will fall away from the Faith, not just the Christian Faith, but all Faiths of the world will fall away because of the anti-christ and what he believes and teaches.
Yes, I agree that the other fallen angels were judged also.
Thanks for your input, I will chew on it for awhile.
You made some valid points.
Peace
 
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