Changed from pretribulation to post-tribulation view of the rapture

[DiscipleDave]

Christ never returns to the earth, but only returns with clouds as He comes in the air descending down from the third heaven in the same manner He ascended up to heaven. Christ returns with His army, being the host of heaven as from the air He smites the nations, destroys mystery Babylon that reigns in Jerusalem for 3 1/2 years, destroys the beast and false prophet by the brightness of His coming, casting them into the lake of fire and will slain the remnant that followed after the beast.

Upon His return (second coming) Christ sends His angels out to the four corners of the earth to gather those who are alive at His second coming and calls those who are in their graves to come forth. He separates the sheep from the goats and those sheep who have risen from their grave are joined with those who are alive as they are all caught up to the clouds and are given their new glorified bodies in order to meet Christ in the air.
Zechariah 14:4; Isaiah 64:1; Daniel Chapter 7, 9; Matthew 24:29-31; Acts 1:11; Rev 1:7, Rev 19:11-21; 2 Thessalonians 2:8; 1 Corinthians 15:51-57; 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18, John 5:28, 29; 6:40

Christ second coming comes after all have taken the mark of the beast and the seven vial judgments are poured out on them, but they do not die yet, Revelation 16:1-21, until on the last day when Christ returns and fulfills all prophecy making an end to all the abominations that have caused desolation in the earth. The earth and heaven are renewed and the New Jerusalem is ushered down from heaven, Rev 21.

Should we believe Scriptures or what people teach? Scriptures in Zechariah Chapter 14 says Jesus will set His feet down on mount Zion, it also says He sets up His kingdom during this time that HEATHENS are still present, and all the Heathens in the world are made to come and worship Jesus at Jerusalem every year.

WARNING: If what you believe does not line up with Scriptures, then what you believe is in error. click Here for full description of Zechariah 14.

 

[for_his_glory]

Should we believe Scriptures or what people teach? Scriptures in Zechariah Chapter 14 says Jesus will set His feet down on mount Zion, it also says He sets up His kingdom during this time that HEATHENS are still present, and all the Heathens in the world are made to come and worship Jesus at Jerusalem every year.

WARNING: If what you believe does not line up with Scriptures, then what you believe is in error. click Here for full description of Zechariah 14.

There is no man that can teach me anything apart from the Holy Spirit teaching them first as I test what spirit is teaching me, 1 John 4:1-6. What I learn is from scripture alone as the Holy Spirit teaches me. If what one teaches does not line up with scripture then I cast it in the garbage. Now with that said here is my reply to Zechariah.

When Christ returns in the air we are then caught up to meet Him in the air and so shall we ever be with the Lord as He has made us unto our God kings and priests and we shall reign on the earth as we rule with Him over the nations as His enemies have become His footstool, 1 Thessalonians 4:16-18; Rev 5:10; Psalms 110:1-4; Hebrews 10:12, 13.

Matthew 24:29-31; Rev 19:11-21 Jesus descends down from heaven with His army of the host of heaven as He sends His angels out to the four corners of the earth to gather His own to Him. He will destroy the beast and false prophet casting them into the lake of fire, Rev 19:15, 16. The remnant in Rev 19:21 are the kings (Rulers of every nation) on the earth and their armies that followed after the beast and his false prophet that go out to the battle of Armageddon as this army is sent out to kill Christ when they see Him and the saints with Him return and plants His feet on the mount of Olives, Zechariah 14:1-4.

The remnant, like the beast and false prophet, will be slain by the very words Jesus speaks of their demise and at that time Satan will be chained and bound so he can not interfere with those ungodly that are still alive on earth that become the footstool of Christ. Then the kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord and of his Christ and He shall reign for ever and ever and the saints will then begin to rule over the nations here on earth, Rev 11:15; 5:10; 20:1-3; Matthew 5:5.

Rev 20:7-10 Those that have rejected Christ that still remain on earth after the beast, false prophet and all the kings/rulers from every nation are destroyed are those who are the numbering as the sand of the sea. These are the enemy of God that Satan uses to battle against the saints that are camped upon the breadth of the earth. Psalms 2:7-10; 110; Ezekiel 36; 37; Rev 20:7-9 the saints are camped not only in Jerusalem the beloved city of God, but also throughout the breadth of the earth. It's only the 144,000 generational Jews that believe in Christ that have returned to Jerusalem. After the 1000 years are fulfilled Satan is set loosed for a season and goes out to deceive the nations as he gathers the enemies of Christ to battle against the saints as the numbering of unbelievers is like the sand of the sea. As the enemy surrounds the camp of the saints God sends fire down from heaven and destroys the enemy and Satan is cast onto the lake of fire.

 

[Nathan12]

What I learn is from scripture alone as the Holy Spirit teaches me.

That's a rather arrogant attitude, since God gives teachers to the Church to teach Christians. And some of your conclusions are not really sound either.

 

[for_his_glory]

That's a rather arrogant attitude, since God gives teachers to the Church to teach Christians. And some of your conclusions are not really sound either.

Apparently you did not read well of what I said. I do learn from others that have been taught by the Holy Spirit as we need to be testing the spirits that are teaching us. Am I always right, no, and if I am wrong the Holy Spirit always uses others with a greater Spiritual knowledge then I to correct me.

 

[DiscipleDave]

There is no man that can teach me anything apart from the Holy Spirit teaching them first as I test what spirit is teaching me, 1 John 4:1-6. What I learn is from scripture alone as the Holy Spirit teaches me. If what one teaches does not line up with scripture then I cast it in the garbage. Now with that said here is my reply to Zechariah.

When Christ returns in the air we are then caught up to meet Him in the air and so shall we ever be with the Lord as He has made us unto our God kings and priests and we shall reign on the earth as we rule with Him over the nations as His enemies have become His footstool, 1 Thessalonians 4:16-18; Rev 5:10; Psalms 110:1-4; Hebrews 10:12, 13.

Yes, i think we both agree with this, what seems to be an issue is at what TIME this all happens. The Rapture is the Seventh Trumpet sounding. It is also at the time of the Rapture that Jesus is here to STAY, it is at this time that Jesus when He gets here comes in the Holy City Jerusalem, and that is where HE and us reign over the entire Earth out of. Our Mansion are inside the Holy City Jerusalem that Jesus brings down with Him.

Matthew 24:29-31; Rev 19:11-21 Jesus descends down from heaven with His army of the host of heaven as He sends His angels out to the four corners of the earth to gather His own to Him.

All True, But again, its when will this happen that seems to be an issue. This all happens at the 7th Trumpet blowing, at the Rapture, during the same time the Holy City comes down from Heaven. You say Jesus descends down from Heaven with His army, what do you think they travel the universe to get here in? The Holy City Jerusalem.

He will destroy the beast and false prophet casting them into the lake of fire, Rev 19:15, 16.

This is True, but be aware that beast and false prophet are not immediately cast into the lake of fire when Christ Returns to the Earth. Only AFTER the 1,000 year Reign of Christ and us Saints on EARTH (over the 144,000 humans that were sealed for protection during the 7 year Tribulation Period), Will there be a Great White Throne Judgment to cast satan, his demons, the beast, anti-christ, and all those who choose to obey satan and follow his ways, are then cast into Hell for all eternity.

The remnant in Rev 19:21 are the kings (Rulers of every nation) on the earth and their armies that followed after the beast and his false prophet that go out to the battle of Armageddon as this army is sent out to kill Christ when they see Him and the saints with Him return and plants His feet on the mount of Olives, Zechariah 14:1-4.

True, and where do you think all the nations of the world go, to attack? What are they going to attack? Do you think all the nations of the world will gather together to attack a man? What would possibly cause all the nations of the world to unite and come against Jerusalem to attack it? Know you not that it is the Holy City that they are going to attack? The Holy City Jerusalem lands over where Jerusalem is now, this is what the whole world will gather themselves together to attack the Holy City, and they will all die miserably.

The remnant, like the beast and false prophet, will be slain by the very words Jesus speaks of their demise and at that time Satan will be chained and bound so he can not interfere with those ungodly that are still alive on earth that become the footstool of Christ. Then the kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord and of his Christ and He shall reign for ever and ever and the saints will then begin to rule over the nations here on earth, Rev 11:15; 5:10; 20:1-3; Matthew 5:5.

satan is not bound for a thousand years until the 7 year Tribulation is completed. So during the 7 vials/bowel judgements. satan is still present on the Earth. 7 Seals are opened, 6 trumpets are blown. At the 7th Trumpet, Jesus Returns to the Earth, Holy City coming down from Heaven, sleeping Saints are raised first all over the world, then living saints are risen next to be with Jesus in the air where HE IS (And He is, in the Holy City, where HE and us Saints reign over the entire world), then the 7 vials are poured out for the next 3 1/2 years. This is to wipe out all the Heathens that were not raptured up with Christ. Then at the very end of the 7 year Tribulation Period, satan is bound. Because those Heathen curse God and still will not repent all the way through the pouring of the 7 vials, who do you think prevents them from repenting? So satan is not bound yet during the bowel judgments. But prior to the 1,000 year reign of Jesus and the Saints over the 144,000 firstfruits of the redeemed of the Tribulation Period.

Rev 20:7-10 Those that have rejected Christ that still remain on earth after the beast, false prophet and all the kings/rulers from every nation are destroyed are those who are the numbering as the sand of the sea. These are the enemy of God that Satan uses to battle against the saints that are camped upon the breadth of the earth.

Those who reject Christ will only remain on the earth for the next 3 1/2 years After the Rapture, they will perish during the 7 vials/bowels Judgments. They will NOT be a part of the 1,000 years where satan is bound. ONLY those humans who were sealed will take part in the 1,000 years, these will not even know what sin is.

Psalms 2:7-10;

Is a reference to the 7th Trumpet when Jesus gets Here on Earth to set up His kingdom, and all kingdoms now belong to Him.

Psalms 2:7-10; 110

Psalms 110 is likewise a reference to when Jesus gets here on Earth to set up His kingdom, which God told me and Scriptures confirms is at the 7th Trumpet sounding.

Ezekiel 36; 37;

Again, this is a reference to when Jesus gets here on Earth to set up His Kingdom, which starts at the 7th trumpet blowing.

Rev 20:7-9 the saints are camped not only in Jerusalem the beloved city of God, but also throughout the breadth of the earth.

Where are you getting the information from? that they are Saints. that is not in Scriptures. Consider:

Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, 8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. (This is where satan will rapture all his servants from the DEAD, all over the world) 9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city (HOLY CITY JERUSALEM that came out of Heaven): and fire came down from God out of heaven (Our Atmosphere), and devoured them. 10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. So satan is cast into the Hell AFTER the 1,000 year reign of Christ on Earth, and AFTER that great battle satan Vs God. And Judgment is given to satan, demons, beast, antichrist, and all those who follow and obey satan, during the Great White Throne judgement, when they all will hear from God the reasons they are all being sent there.

It's only the 144,000 generational Jews that believe in Christ that have returned to Jerusalem.

The 144,000 who are sealed are children, that each has an Angel to protect them from any harm during the 7 year Tribulation Period. These 144,000 children will repopulate the Earth during the 1,000 year God's Sabbath Day. They will all be virgins, they will NONE of them know what sin is, nor will there be any darkness in them at all, they are the redeemed of Christ, These are they that we Saints will reign over, to teach them, to guide them, to nurture them, to care for them, to LOVE THEM, we will walk among them on Earth, while we LIVE in the Holy City Jerusalem that is over where current Jerusalem is today.

These are those things that God has told me, can anyone show any Scripture which reveals something that God told me is wrong? NO, then why don't you believe it? But if you can show it, then you have proven that i am indeed a false prophet.

 

[for_his_glory]

Yes, i think we both agree with this, what seems to be an issue is at what TIME this all happens. The Rapture is the Seventh Trumpet sounding. It is also at the time of the Rapture that Jesus is here to STAY, it is at this time that Jesus when He gets here comes in the Holy City Jerusalem, and that is where HE and us reign over the entire Earth out of. Our Mansion are inside the Holy City Jerusalem that Jesus brings down with Him.



All True, But again, its when will this happen that seems to be an issue. This all happens at the 7th Trumpet blowing, at the Rapture, during the same time the Holy City comes down from Heaven. You say Jesus descends down from Heaven with His army, what do you think they travel the universe to get here in? The Holy City Jerusalem.



This is True, but be aware that beast and false prophet are not immediately cast into the lake of fire when Christ Returns to the Earth. Only AFTER the 1,000 year Reign of Christ and us Saints on EARTH (over the 144,000 humans that were sealed for protection during the 7 year Tribulation Period), Will there be a Great White Throne Judgment to cast satan, his demons, the beast, anti-christ, and all those who choose to obey satan and follow his ways, are then cast into Hell for all eternity.



True, and where do you think all the nations of the world go, to attack? What are they going to attack? Do you think all the nations of the world will gather together to attack a man? What would possibly cause all the nations of the world to unite and come against Jerusalem to attack it? Know you not that it is the Holy City that they are going to attack? The Holy City Jerusalem lands over where Jerusalem is now, this is what the whole world will gather themselves together to attack the Holy City, and they will all die miserably.



satan is not bound for a thousand years until the 7 year Tribulation is completed. So during the 7 vials/bowel judgements. satan is still present on the Earth. 7 Seals are opened, 6 trumpets are blown. At the 7th Trumpet, Jesus Returns to the Earth, Holy City coming down from Heaven, sleeping Saints are raised first all over the world, then living saints are risen next to be with Jesus in the air where HE IS (And He is, in the Holy City, where HE and us Saints reign over the entire world), then the 7 vials are poured out for the next 3 1/2 years. This is to wipe out all the Heathens that were not raptured up with Christ. Then at the very end of the 7 year Tribulation Period, satan is bound. Because those Heathen curse God and still will not repent all the way through the pouring of the 7 vials, who do you think prevents them from repenting? So satan is not bound yet during the bowel judgments. But prior to the 1,000 year reign of Jesus and the Saints over the 144,000 firstfruits of the redeemed of the Tribulation Period.



Those who reject Christ will only remain on the earth for the next 3 1/2 years After the Rapture, they will perish during the 7 vials/bowels Judgments. They will NOT be a part of the 1,000 years where satan is bound. ONLY those humans who were sealed will take part in the 1,000 years, these will not even know what sin is.



Is a reference to the 7th Trumpet when Jesus gets Here on Earth to set up His kingdom, and all kingdoms now belong to Him.



Psalms 110 is likewise a reference to when Jesus gets here on Earth to set up His kingdom, which God told me and Scriptures confirms is at the 7th Trumpet sounding.



Again, this is a reference to when Jesus gets here on Earth to set up His Kingdom, which starts at the 7th trumpet blowing.



Where are you getting the information from? that they are Saints. that is not in Scriptures. Consider:

Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, 8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. (This is where satan will rapture all his servants from the DEAD, all over the world) 9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city (HOLY CITY JERUSALEM that came out of Heaven): and fire came down from God out of heaven (Our Atmosphere), and devoured them. 10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. So satan is cast into the Hell AFTER the 1,000 year reign of Christ on Earth, and AFTER that great battle satan Vs God. And Judgment is given to satan, demons, beast, antichrist, and all those who follow and obey satan, during the Great White Throne judgement, when they all will hear from God the reasons they are all being sent there.



The 144,000 who are sealed are children, that each has an Angel to protect them from any harm during the 7 year Tribulation Period. These 144,000 children will repopulate the Earth during the 1,000 year God's Sabbath Day. They will all be virgins, they will NONE of them know what sin is, nor will there be any darkness in them at all, they are the redeemed of Christ, These are they that we Saints will reign over, to teach them, to guide them, to nurture them, to care for them, to LOVE THEM, we will walk among them on Earth, while we LIVE in the Holy City Jerusalem that is over where current Jerusalem is today.

These are those things that God has told me, can anyone show any Scripture which reveals something that God told me is wrong? NO, then why don't you believe it? But if you can show it, then you have proven that i am indeed a false prophet.

This is way to much to sort through and reply, plus I already gave what is already written in the scriptures chronologically in post # 262. You are basically all over the place in the order of events of what you have posted and have given no scripture to support what you believe.

It's not a I'm right you are wrong debate thing, but that of what I believe to be true according to scripture.

 

[JLB]

Yes, i think we both agree with this, what seems to be an issue is at what TIME this all happens.

We know all this happens at His coming.


For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. Therefore comfort one another with these words. 1 Thessalonians 4:15-18

• that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep

But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. For since by man came death, by Man also came the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ’s at His coming. Then comes the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power. 1 Corinthians 15:20-24

• Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ’s at His coming.

Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come.
2 Thessalonians 2:1-2

• concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him

The gathering of His Church at the resurrection and rapture occurs on the last day, at His coming.



And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day. John 6:40




JLB

 

[DiscipleDave]

This is way to much to sort through and reply,

But i did for you. Did i not take the time and reply to you and what you said? can you not do the same for me?

plus I already gave what is already written in the scriptures chronologically in post # 262.

Post #262 is what i replied to. What? i say something, you respond with a long post 262, and i respond to what you said in post 262, and then you respond that it is way to much to sort through and reply to. No offense, but if you are going to respond to something i say, and expect me not respond back to you about what you responded to me, maybe it would be best if you not respond to what i say. Not mad or anything, i'm really not. But if you respond to me, i am going to respond to you about all that you say. If it is to much for you to take the time to reply to, then maybe you should not reply to me.

You are basically all over the place in the order of events of what you have posted and have given no scripture to support what you believe.

Who said it is what i believe? True i do believe it, but i never said it is what i believe, i am quite positive i give the credit to whom it belongs to, and that is to God. Have i not said this is what God told me? That has nothing to do with what i believe or don't believe, but merely repeating what God told me. But yes i do believe what He told me.

It's not a I'm right you are wrong debate thing, but that of what I believe to be true according to scripture.

It is about what God told me is right. Now if i am right or wrong, is irrelevant, i'm a pathetic human, easily persuaded to go this way and that. But what God told me is RIGHT and it is the TRUTH. Since 1994 i have over 40 articles on Discipledave.com and since 1994 have been challenging anyone to show one thing in all those articles that is contrary to Scriptures, and not one person has done it yet. God and what He told me is TRUTH. Now if we are talking about something that i believe, than that can most certainly be in error, but something He told me, is TRUTH, and there is no error in it, nor can anything He told can anyone find one verse that is contrary.

Challenge is open to anyone: Look over 40+ articles on Discipledave.com and if you can find one thing that is contrary to one verse in all of Scriptures, then you have proven that it is NOT God that has had conversations with me for years, but is demons. If i teach anything, that i say is from God, and it contradicts Scriptures, then it is NOT from God but from demons impersonating God. But as i said before, not one person has been able to do this yet.

 

[for_his_glory]

But i did for you. Did i not take the time and reply to you and what you said? can you not do the same for me?



Post #262 is what i replied to. What? i say something, you respond with a long post 262, and i respond to what you said in post 262, and then you respond that it is way to much to sort through and reply to. No offense, but if you are going to respond to something i say, and expect me not respond back to you about what you responded to me, maybe it would be best if you not respond to what i say. Not mad or anything, i'm really not. But if you respond to me, i am going to respond to you about all that you say. If it is to much for you to take the time to reply to, then maybe you should not reply to me.



Who said it is what i believe? True i do believe it, but i never said it is what i believe, i am quite positive i give the credit to whom it belongs to, and that is to God. Have i not said this is what God told me? That has nothing to do with what i believe or don't believe, but merely repeating what God told me. But yes i do believe what He told me.



It is about what God told me is right. Now if i am right or wrong, is irrelevant, i'm a pathetic human, easily persuaded to go this way and that. But what God told me is RIGHT and it is the TRUTH. Since 1994 i have over 40 articles on Discipledave.com and since 1994 have been challenging anyone to show one thing in all those articles that is contrary to Scriptures, and not one person has done it yet. God and what He told me is TRUTH. Now if we are talking about something that i believe, than that can most certainly be in error, but something He told me, is TRUTH, and there is no error in it, nor can anything He told can anyone find one verse that is contrary.

Challenge is open to anyone: Look over 40+ articles on Discipledave.com and if you can find one thing that is contrary to one verse in all of Scriptures, then you have proven that it is NOT God that has had conversations with me for years, but is demons. If i teach anything, that i say is from God, and it contradicts Scriptures, then it is NOT from God but from demons impersonating God. But as i said before, not one person has been able to do this yet.

It's not that I didn't read through all you replied with, but that you and I have been over the same thing many times within the various end time topics. You continually use the phrase "God told me" more than you use scriptures to show what God has told you and if I do not have any scripture to go study for what you say then it is only words out of your mouth.

I have hundreds of articles I have written plus two books in the course of my 40+ years walking in the Lord, but have never been led to publish as I use them for my own resources. Does that make me have all knowledge, no, as I to am human and prone to mistakes as I am always opened for correction as the Holy Spirit always sends me others with more Spiritual knowledge than I to help correct me. I never tell anyone to believe me, but to take the scriptures I give and study them for themselves and allow the Holy Spirit teach them.

I am not an island of my own as I have learned much from those in whom the Holy Spirit has truly taught as I am careful to try the spirits that teach me. I alone am accountable to God for what I teach others and He is always quick to correct me when I do error. We just all need to be teachable as many things have been programed in our minds for years how others have indoctrinated us and the more I study now then I did back in the day those things I was taught I now question as much of what was taught to me just doesn't set well in my spirit.

 

[DiscipleDave]

It's not that I didn't read through all you replied with, but that you and I have been over the same thing many times within the various end time topics. You continually use the phrase "God told me" more than you use scriptures to show what God has told you

And if God tells me something, what i am suppose to be learned and show the Scriptures as if i have to prove what He told me is correct? i merely tell you what God told me. He already told me, that it is NOT my responsibility to convince anyone. Only my responsibility to reveal what He told me.

and if I do not have any scripture to go study for what you say then it is only words out of your mouth.

When i read any book, if i read something that is contrary to Scriptures, i stop reading it. How do you try the spirits? Are we not to compare what is being said to what is in Scriptures? If a spirit tells you something that is contrary to Scriptures, then that is a lying spirit and should not be hearkened to. Know you not the Scriptures? i know you know them. So can you not compare what i say comes from God to the Scriptures? If something i say, that i testify is from God, how have you tried what i said? Have you compared it with Scriptures or do you merely not believe what i said, and therefore deemed it not worthy of your attention?

I have hundreds of articles

Hundreds (plural) you have over 200 articles you have written?

I have written plus two books in the course of my 40+ years walking in the Lord, but have never been led to publish as I use them for my own resources.

Why has not the Spirit of Truth led you to publish them?

Does that make me have all knowledge, no, as I to am human and prone to mistakes as I am always opened for correction as the Holy Spirit always sends me others with more Spiritual knowledge than I to help correct me. I never tell anyone to believe me, but to take the scriptures I give and study them for themselves and allow the Holy Spirit teach them.

I am not an island of my own as I have learned much from those in whom the Holy Spirit has truly taught as I am careful to try the spirits that teach me.

You say you are careful to try the spirits, but have you not judged me already, and made comment that it is not God. Based on what? Nothing i said is contrary to Scriptures, so then how have you tried what i have said?

I alone am accountable to God for what I teach others and He is always quick to correct me when I do error. We just all need to be teachable as many things have been programed in our minds for years how others have indoctrinated us and the more I study now then I did back in the day those things I was taught I now question as much of what was taught to me just doesn't set well in my spirit.

This is so True. And what does your spirit tell you about me?

 

[for_his_glory]

What you speak is what you believe that God has spoken to you, but when what you say comes against what God has already spoken to all of us then I have to question whether it is truly God speaking to you or a spirit in disguise, 1 John 4:1-4, as there are no private interpretations from God as what He has already spoke is already written.

Yes, I have written many articles on various topics from the Bible as everything I write in the forums are from what the Holy Spirit has taught me over the last 20 years. My first book was accepted to be published by a very small publishing house for free, but after waiting I found that the publishing place closed down. I never found another that was free to publish to and I can't afford the cost of publishing.

I am not judging you personally as I do not know you, but only judging that of what you speak as being contray to scripture. I truly do not believe God is giving you any private interpretations as all things have already been written for us to study as only the Holy Spirit teaches us that of what God wants us to learn.

I don't know you or how, what or who you use to teach you, but to only know that many things you speak comes against scripture as many of us have tried to show you within the scriptures. We have all tried to show you truth, but you reject it as you claim God has spoken these things to you, but believe it is actually the spirit of error you do not recognize.

 

[DiscipleDave]

What you speak is what you believe that God has spoken to you, but when what you say comes against what God has already spoken to all of us then I have to question whether it is truly God speaking to you or a spirit in disguise, 1 John 4:1-4, as there are no private interpretations from God as what He has already spoke is already written.

2Pe_1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the Scripture is privately interpreted. Interpretations belong to God, NOT to men. Have you not interpreted some Scripture to mean what is already spoken is already written? Have you not privately interpreted some verse to mean there can be no more prophecies given?

If i say God told me a thing. How is that thing "my" interpretation? if i merely repeat what He told me, then it is not from me, but belongs to Him.

Yes, I have written many articles on various topics from the Bible as everything I write in the forums are from what the Holy Spirit has taught me over the last 20 years. My first book was accepted to be published by a very small publishing house for free, but after waiting I found that the publishing place closed down. I never found another that was free to publish to and I can't afford the cost of publishing.

If God wants it published, He will provide.

I am not judging you personally as I do not know you, but only judging that of what you speak as being contray to scripture.

And yet i have yet to see any Scripture that you present as being contrary to what i say is from God. Do you think that is right? To accuse me of teaching something contrary to Scriptures but don't give the Scriptures that is contrary.

i am asking you to reveal to me anything that is contrary to Scriptures, you keep saying you don't believe me because what i teach is contrary to Scriptures, but all i see is you don't believe me because it is contrary to what you believe is the Truth.

Help me, please. if i am teaching something contrary to Scriptures, then would it not be a Godly thing to do and tell me what they are.

DiscipleDave you said " Holy City comes down at the 7th Trumpet" And this is the verse(s) that is contrary to that statement.

What do i get instead? I don't believe you because what you teach is contrary to Scriptures, therefore it must not have been God that spoke with you.

If you are going to accuse a Brother or Sister of this or that, than do the Godly thing and present the evidence that backs up your accusation against them.

But see i already know, you will not be able to find any Scriptures that is contrary to what God told me, because God does not contradict Himself. He is not going to tell me something that contradicts His very Word. So you keep saying that i contradicts Scriptures, yet provide no Scriptures, what you do do is provide your interpretation of the Scriptures, it is YOUR interpretations that contradict what God told me.

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[for_his_glory]

2Pe_1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the Scripture is privately interpreted. Interpretations belong to God, NOT to men. Have you not interpreted some Scripture to mean what is already spoken is already written? Have you not privately interpreted some verse to mean there can be no more prophecies given?

If i say God told me a thing. How is that thing "my" interpretation? if i merely repeat what He told me, then it is not from me, but belongs to Him.



If God wants it published, He will provide.



And yet i have yet to see any Scripture that you present as being contrary to what i say is from God. Do you think that is right? To accuse me of teaching something contrary to Scriptures but don't give the Scriptures that is contrary.

i am asking you to reveal to me anything that is contrary to Scriptures, you keep saying you don't believe me because what i teach is contrary to Scriptures, but all i see is you don't believe me because it is contrary to what you believe is the Truth.

Help me, please. if i am teaching something contrary to Scriptures, then would it not be a Godly thing to do and tell me what they are.

DiscipleDave you said " Holy City comes down at the 7th Trumpet" And this is the verse(s) that is contrary to that statement.

What do i get instead? I don't believe you because what you teach is contrary to Scriptures, therefore it must not have been God that spoke with you.

If you are going to accuse a Brother or Sister of this or that, than do the Godly thing and present the evidence that backs up your accusation against them.

But see i already know, you will not be able to find any Scriptures that is contrary to what God told me, because God does not contradict Himself. He is not going to tell me something that contradicts His very Word. So you keep saying that i contradicts Scriptures, yet provide no Scriptures, what you do do is provide your interpretation of the Scriptures, it is YOUR interpretations that contradict what God told me.

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I and many others have showed you what you teach is contrary to scripture by giving you the scriptures you oppose. For this I am done discussing this with you as all we are doing is going over and over the same discussion.

God bless you and have a good evening.

 

[DiscipleDave]

How do you try the Spirits?

1Jn 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:

i confess that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God. He that i have had conversations with also confessed that. Now according to this, you should then believe, because that is how you try the spirits according to the Word of God, but will you believe it? i think not, because it seems you have bucked against everything God has told me, and don't see that changing any time soon.

God who has had conversations with me, told me these things as well:
If what you believe contradicts even one verse in all of Scriptures, then what you believe is wrong.
Cease from obeying My enemy, Sin no more, I want you to be Holy as I am Holy. (tell me is satan divided against himself, would he instruct people to stop obeying him, to cease from sinning? Hmmmm) By the way this what He told me, made me run away from God back in 1994. Oh He also told me then, that i was to never get married, that i was to devout my life to Him and serve Him and no other. Stop sinning, your not getting married. I ran from God and He has not spoken to me audibly sense. But now i am back. i have sinned much, but no longer continue to live in sin. i do all things to please Jesus Christ, been celibate for over 11 years, and stopped masturbating last Easter. i have never been happier.
i know what it going to happen in the future, because God told me. What i know is going to happen is not interpretations from MEN, but is from God Himself.

I truly do not believe God is giving you any private interpretations

Again you misinterpreted the Word of God.

2Pe_1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

What this plainly says and plainly teaches, NO interpretation needed, is that NOBODY is to privately interpret the Word of God. Which confirms the Scriptures that teach "Interpretations belong to God" NOT to men. You privately interpret 2Pet 1:20 to mean that God does not give any private interpretations, and that is NOT what it says at ALL. What it plainly says is humans are not to interpret the Word of God.

I truly do not believe God is giving you any private interpretations

He hasn't though, i have ran across others who have had what i teach told to them as well. i am not the only one who knows the Truth that God told me.

I truly do not believe God is giving you any private interpretations as all things have already been written for us to study as only the Holy Spirit teaches us that of what God wants us to learn.

Where is that written? Where in all of Scriptures does it teach what you are saying. What has been written is enough for us to come to Jesus and Get Saved, that is True. But where is it written that God will NOT pour out His Spirit on the Sons and Daughters in the last days and they shall prophecy, even as i do this very day? Where is it written That God can't talk to anyone? That He can't reveal those things that were sealed in the last days? Where is it written that God can't reveal to the last days generation things that are going to happen, in a last attempt to get them to change their ways and live Righteously?

You do not believe me now, but you will, when you see the Holy City coming down from Heaven at the 7th Trumpet, then you will know that God really did talk to me, and that you should have listened to him, because what he taught, was in no way contrary to any Scriptures, but why don't you believe me? NOT because of what Scriptures teach, but because what you personally believe based on private interpretations.

I don't know you or how, what or who you use to teach you, but to only know that many things you speak comes against scripture as many of us have tried to show you within the scriptures.

As the Lord God is my witness, you have not yet shown one verse that is contrary to what God told me. You have shown me your interpretations, you have shown me your opinions, you have shown me what you believe to be True, but as of yet, and God is my witness on this, you have not shown one verse that is contrary to what God has told me. And if you think you have then reveal it again to my ignorance.

DiscipleDave said (quote here what i said) which is contrary to (put Scripture here). You have not done this yet. Nor can you do that, because what God told me does not contradict any Scriptures. It contradicts peoples belief, peoples doctrines, peoples faith, peoples private interpretations, But it does NOT contradict any Scriptures.

How easy is it to say that i do without providing the Scriptures to back it up.

We have all tried to show you truth,

Really ALL have tried to show me, Again, help my ignorance here, and plainly reveal something that i said by giving the quote, and then showing the Scriptures. ALL have tried to do that, really?

but you reject it

i accept what Scriptures teach, i most certainly will reject all opinions, beliefs, and private interpretations. Because i am clearly asking for something that is Scriptures that contradict what i teach. But what do i get instead of Scriptures, opinions, personal beliefs, and private interpratations, NONE of which reveals what i teach is contrary to scriptures, but only contrary to your own opinions, personal beliefs, and private interpretations. What i have been plainly and clearly asking for is, is to show me any verse that is contrary to what i say is from God, kindly leave your opinions out of it. leave your personal beliefs out of it, leave your private interpretations out of it. Show me any Scripture that is contrary to something that i say is from God. Now lets see what we get?

as you claim God has spoken these things to you,

Holy Father, i pray that if i am lying about God speaking to me in conversations, let me die a long, painful, slow, excruciating death that takes 40 years. If i am lying let my living Parents and all my living siblings, which i love and they love me, suffer the same fate. If i am lying, let me burn in Hell fire for all eternity. i pray this in the name of Jesus Christ, amen.

Do you know why i can pray that, and not have one worry about it in the slightest? Because i know it was God who told me the things that i teach to a generation that will not receive it. And what is ironic? He told me this generation would not receive it.

but believe it is actually the spirit of error you do not recognize.

If that spirit would have told me one thing that is contrary to Scriptures than i would agree with you full heartedly. But that Spirit has changed peoples lives from paths that was leading them to death. That Spirit has told me more time than i can count to "Love One Another" That same spirit is so against sinning of any kind. What you call a spirit of error, i call GOD.

 

[DiscipleDave]

I and many others have showed you what you teach is contrary to scripture by giving you the scriptures you oppose. For this I am done discussing this with you as all we are doing is going over and over the same discussion.

God bless you and have a good evening.

How easy it is to merely accuse without giving the evidence to back it up.

God Bless you and yours to, and may Jesus Christ be on your mind every second of every day, even as He has done for me.

 

[DiscipleDave]

Jesus walking on water, big deal. He is God. Peter walking on water, that is miraculous, he is like you and me. How did Peter do it? When he was walking on the water his eyes and thoughts were on Jesus, and he did that which is impossible to do. And when his thoughts went off of Jesus and onto something else, he sank like a stone.

Keep your mind and thoughts on Jesus Christ every second of every single day, and you too can do, that which this generation says is impossible to do.

Do we not pray "Lead us not into temptation"? i pray the Lord's prayer on average 10 times every day. And i believe with all my heart, Jesus answers that prayer and i am not led into temptations, and HE delivers me from evil continually. What He does for me, He most certainly can do for you. But i would think this generation can't even recite the Lord's Prayer. We are to study the Word of God, NOT interpret it.

The Word of God contains LIFE in it. How many of you have even read it ONCE from cover to cover? i would think in this generation that would only be a few.

But here is Good News for us all. Now you know, start doing it.