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Charismatics ARE Cessationists

Yes, Christians die, but it is never God's will for us to be sick. His healing is a promise.

Psalm 103:3 NLT
He forgives all my sins
and heals all my diseases.
Odd that Jesus told Pete he would be old and blind. It seems Jesus knew as much about dispesnationalism and he did WOF.
 
Rather than debate over lines of demarcation in the bible like 'that which is perfect'.........why not simply agree that the Apostolic gifts that we see in the Bible do not happen in charismatic churches. They simply dont happen. If they did, you could show us instant healings, blind people seeing, rasing the dead, miracle 'tongues', sure words of revelation prophecy etc.

Therefore even charismatics have to be cessationists at some level.

No, you are a cessationist. Charismatics are not. You speak out of a doubtful heart, not one that knows that he knows that he knows---which only God can give you if you sincerely seek Him on this issue, rather than denigrate His faithful.
 
If and when I err, I admit it. So far, I'm batting 1000.



Oh, do they all? Are you that knowledgeable? Come on!

Obviously not.




Jesus healed the blind man in stages.

Mark 8:22-26 NLT
<SUP id=en-NLT-24494 class=versenum>22</SUP> When they arrived at Bethsaida, some people brought a blind man to Jesus, and they begged him to touch the man and heal him. <SUP id=en-NLT-24495 class=versenum>23</SUP> Jesus took the blind man by the hand and led him out of the village. Then, spitting on the man’s eyes, he laid his hands on him and asked, “Can you see anything now?”

<SUP id=en-NLT-24496 class=versenum>24</SUP> The man looked around. “Yes,” he said, “I see people, but I can’t see them very clearly. They look like trees walking around.” <SUP id=en-NLT-24497 class=versenum>25</SUP> Then Jesus placed his hands on the man’s eyes again, and his eyes were opened. His sight was completely restored, and he could see everything clearly. <SUP id=en-NLT-24498 class=versenum>26</SUP> Jesus sent him away, saying, “Don’t go back into the village on your way home.”




We need Holy Spirit to speak in tongues.

Tongues of angels is what heaven speaks.




Unbelievers need God to open their eyes, not men. Picking and choosing what one will believe from God's word is not faith at work at all.




I see them. God working through faithful people...that is what He looks for. The Spirit-filled and Spirit-led churches are swelling with new members and the Spirit stifling churches are drying up.




Obviously in this place there is a very tiny remnant.


Why do you do it then?



Yes. He will remove His presence from those who turn on Him by denying His presence and power.
Is this the reason you cannot attest to the actual exercizing of the authority to heal, etc, you claim ?
 
I do attest to it, completely. God is no liar.
Ok so tell us how many you have healed ,raised from the dead and or performed miracles for, that can pass a reasonable reality check.


Just in case you forgot ;

Originally Posted by Hitch
Is this the reason you cannot attest to the actual exercizing to the authority to heal,etc, you claim ?
 
Ok so tell us how many you have healed ,raised from the dead and or performed miracles for, that can pass a reasonable reality check.

No, not for you. I obey the Lord by refusing to cast my pearls, thanks.

Only scoffers need to make reality checks.
 
No, not for you. I obey the Lord by refusing to cast my pearls, thanks.
LOL So you have nothing at all, I wonder if you will ever learn to take care in what you say in public, ya know ,like comparing other members of the Body of Christ to swine . :screwloose

'Only scoffers need to make reality checks.'

LOL hey its your shovel ,dig as deep as you like .

You cant help but speak out and when you do you cant help expose the pretensions of your claims.
 
LOL So you have nothing at all, I wonder if you will ever learn to take care in what you say in public, ya know ,like comparing other members of the Body of Christ to swine . :screwloose

What are you laughing about? What I speak, I speak sincerely. You are choosing to go against TOS and make this personal. I refuse your tactic.

Swine is Jesus' choice of terminology, not mine.
 
What are you laughing about? What I speak, I speak sincerely. You are choosing to go against TOS and make this personal.
Thats rich, you compared me to swine and now you're complaining ??
I refuse your tactic.
Swine is Jesus' choice of terminology, not mine.
Its your silly choice of application.

You are becoming a laughingstock, and you have brought it on yourself.
 
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Yes, Christians die, but it is never God's will for us to be sick. His healing is a promise.

Psalm 103:3 NLT
He forgives all my sins
and heals all my diseases.

"Bless the Lord, O, my soul" . Bless the Lord, O my soul; and all that is within me be stirred up to magnify His holy name. "Bless the Lord, O my soul, and forget not all His benefits; who forgiveth all thine iniquities; who healeth all thy diseases; who redeemeth thy life from destruction; who crowneth thee with lovingkindness and tender mercies; who satisfieth thy mouth with good things, so that thy youth is renewed like the eagle's." Who so well can sing this thanksgiving song as …

Clearly talking about spiritual matters. Unless you think God actually renews your physical youth? Lolz!

What do you say to families of Christians who die from disease Al? Did God FAIL?!
 
So, the Gospels then yeah?

I read the Word of God, which is living and like a 2 edged sword, I dwelt in His Word and His Word transformed me with the renewing of my mind, I now have the mind of Christ and He lives in me.

I can do all things through Him who strengthens me. My faith grew and it will grow more.

If we lack faith, then pray for it.

Why do you read His Word and not believe?
 
Yes we can pray for healing and God will heal us if it suits His divine plan. If it doesnt then a Christian can get sick and die. Either way, that Christian is still saved.

Why would you want to stay sick? Ask and you shall receive.

Hebrews 11:6
But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him.

Matthew 9:22
Jesus turned around and, seeing her, He said, Take courage, daughter! Your faith has made you well. And at once the woman was restored to health.

Hebrews 10:38
Now the just shall live by faith; but if anyone draws back, my soul has no pleasure in him.

Why do you not believe the Word of God?
 
But you said it is NEVER God's will for a believer to be sick,doesnt that include blindness?

The Word never says we will not get sick, it simply says He healed as at the cross.

Why is it that some Christians do not want to have faith? Isn't faith the greatest gift from God that we could ask for? Besides salvation of course. If you lack faith, then pray for it!
 
"Bless the Lord, O, my soul" . Bless the Lord, O my soul; and all that is within me be stirred up to magnify His holy name. "Bless the Lord, O my soul, and forget not all His benefits; who forgiveth all thine iniquities; who healeth all thy diseases; who redeemeth thy life from destruction; who crowneth thee with lovingkindness and tender mercies; who satisfieth thy mouth with good things, so that thy youth is renewed like the eagle's." Who so well can sing this thanksgiving song as …

Clearly talking about spiritual matters. Unless you think God actually renews your physical youth? Lolz!

Amen, yes He does!

What do you say to families of Christians who die from disease Al? Did God FAIL?!

I offer my deepest condolences. Healing is by faith. Many people don't know how to appropriate into the natural the healing they already have in the spiritual.
 
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