Christ applies redemption as well!

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But repentance isn’t itself the good news. The good news is that Jesus died for us, taking the punishment of God upon himself for our sins, so that we could be made spiritually alive and have everlasting life.

The good news is that God freely forgives sinners.....even for trying to murder Him.

Is that so? That doesn’t seem to be what the Bible teaches:

You didn't read the scrioture I cited with any open mind. You hopped right to passages that seem to contradict the ones I cited.

Deu 16:3 You shall eat no leavened bread with it. Seven days you shall eat it with unleavened bread, the bread of affliction—for you came out of the land of Egypt in haste—that all the days of your life you may remember the day when you came out of the land of Egypt. (ESV)

It’s a remembrance for their hasty deliverance from Egypt,

It's a rememberance of their hasty deliverance from slavery caused by worshipping pagan dieties during the 430 years they lived in Egypt.
In fact, when things got tough they wanted to go back to a life of slavery. Only two men of that original group entered Canaan. The rest died in the wilderness and God swore by Himself those sinners delivered from Egypt would never enter His rest. Not then not now not ever. That's damnation and He promised this by Himself, so there's no going back on His Word. It's immutable. There is no way around that, unless a person doesn't know what His rest is.

much like the Lord’s Supper is a remembrance of the believer’s deliverance from death and sin by Jesus’s sacrifice—his blood and body given for us.

And whoever eats and drinks those symbols unworthily is damned.

But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. 1Cor.11:28

Mat 26:27 And he took a cup, and when he had given thanks he gave it to them, saying, “Drink of it, all of you,
Mat 26:28 for this is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins. (ESV)

Exactly, but not because Jesus was a "substitute for sinners."
Jesus came "in place of " His Father to show how great Gods' mercy is towards those who sinned against Him.

And, yet, you have been shown numerous passages which explicitly state that Jesus was the substitutionary sacrifice for our sins to appease the wrath of God. And I don’t think you have addressed those, other than to repeat Ezekiel, which shows that your understanding of that passage is incorrect in believing that it applies to either Jesus’s death or salvation.

Although, I am quite certain I have addressed it.

No you haven't You just assumed it doesn't apply to Jesus.

Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.....
The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteousshall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him. Eze.18:4,20

The main point is that each person is responsible for their own sins and will reap the consequences, if they don’t repent and turn from their sins and keep all God’s statutes and does good.

That's exactly right.

Do you believe in works salvation?

No.

What does the law require for atonement of sins?

To recognize our sins and ask forgiveness. We should be growing in the knowledge we have sinned and been forgiven and so we show mercy towards other sinners. We judge only to correct sinners. We are forbidden from judging to condemn anyone.

By the works of the devil, I was referring to his role in causing the fall of Adam and Eve, the physical and spiritual death in humans,

People aren't "born spiritually dead." People may become that way as they walk father and farther away from their God given conscience,

their thinking 1b]became[/b{ futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. Rom.1:21
they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind Rom.1:28

separating us from God, and usurping the authority God gave to humans.

Paul says,
Their feet are swift to shed blood; Rom.3:15

But Paul is quoting Isaiah and Isaiah diesn't mean babies are just born depraved liars and adulterers and murderers from birth. Jesus taught the exact opposite. Im not listening to any reformer over God.

 

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Sin not being imputed !2

All for whom Christ died, every single sinner He died for, their sins were imputed/charged to Him, thats how He died for their sins 1 Cor 15:3

3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

1 Pet 2:24

24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

Now these scriptures could not be True if their sins had not been imputed to Christ.

Now everyone whose sins that were imputed to Christ for Him to die for, automatically become those Blessed Ones whom God will not impute sin unto Rom 4:8

8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

In fact its a World of People 2 Cor 5:19

19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

Not one individual of this world can ever have sin charged or imputed to them, not by God !

What this means, no sinner Christ died for can have sin imputed to him or her by the Law, for sin is the Transgression of the Law 1 Jn 3:4

Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

This scripture cannot apply to any sinner Christ died for, because sin to them cannot be imputed Rom 5:13

For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

You see that ? Thats a Divine Principle that cannot be denied or frustrated, all sinners Christ died for are dead to the law, it cannot charge them with sin or transgression before the Justice of God Rom 7:4

Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ[His death for you]; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

See, they become dead to the Law, before Faith/Believing, which is what marries them to Christ experimentally, because they have already been made dead to the Law by His death, and so sin cannot be imputed where there is no Law, and every sinner that has no sin imputed to them for violation of Gods Law, is Righteous before God Rom 5:19

19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

Because His Obedience entailed having their sins imputed to Him for Him to die for them !48

 

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journeyman

Paul is quoting Psa.1 where David actually meant people who follow Jesus are forgiven,

False, Paul is quoting Ps 32

1 Blessed is he whose transgression is forgiven, whose sin is covered.
2 Blessed is the man unto whom the LORD imputeth not iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no guile.

 

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False, Paul is quoting Ps 32

1 Blessed is he whose transgression is forgiven, whose sin is covered.
2 Blessed is the man unto whom the LORD imputeth not iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no guile.

Actually Paul is teaching about how while Jesus was on earth, He didn't impute iniquity to people who sinned against him. After Jesus rose from the dead, many people said, "Uh oh.....what must we do to be saved? And Peter let them know they better repent.

 

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It redeemed us from all Iniquity !

Those for whom Christ died can never be of them which Christ will some day say this to Matt 7:23

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

They can never be "ye that work iniquity" Because by His death, one of its grand accomplishments in the purpose of God, redeemed them from all iniquity Titus 2:14

14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

The word that is the conjunction hina and it means:

denoting the purpose or the result, which means Gods designed result and purpose in Christ giving Himself for those He died for was to redeem them from ALL INIQUITY ! That result was accomplished through the death of Christ. Neither can them Christ died for be of them which it is written of them this Ps 5:5

5 The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity. Those Christ died for cannot be workers of Iniquity because Christ redeemed them from all iniquity, neither can it be laid to their charge !

Rom 4:7-8

7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

 

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It redeemed us from all Iniquity !2

Titus 2:14

Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify to himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works. This also means that those Christ died for shall be redeemed from unbelief/disobedience or else the designed purpose for Christ's Death failed ! His death is to redeem from all iniquity. The word redeem lutroó means:

I release on receipt of ransom; mid: I redeem, release by paying ransom, liberate, deliver.

The death of Christ is purposed by God and does deliver those Christ died for from bondage, and captivity to sin, which unbelief/disobedience is. By nature men are in a lost state captive, imprisoned in unbelief/disobedience Rom 11:32

32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all. All men in the Justice of God who sinned in Adam, God concluded them in unbelief !

Now the word concluded is key to understanding what redemption does. Its the word sugkleió and means :

I enclose, shut in, make subject to.

to shut together, i.e. enclose

to shup up on all sides, shut up completely; τινα εἰς τινα or τί, so to deliver one up to the power of a person or thing that he is completely shut in, as it were, without means of escape

We by nature are by the Justice of God locked in a prison of unbelief /disobeidnece. Some Translations catch the meaning of the word concluded by translating the verse as follows:

For God has imprisoned everyone in disobedience so he could have mercy on everyone.NLT

For God has consigned all to disobedience, that he may have mercy on all.ESV

For God has shut up all in disobedience so that He may show mercy to all.NASB

For God has imprisoned all in disobedience, so that He may have mercy on all. HCSB

God has placed all people into the prison of their own disobedience so that he could be merciful to all people.

So the only way out of the prison house of unbelief/disobeidence is by means of redemption through Christ. Thats why Jesus said to unbelieving jews Jn 8:36

If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

Jesus was speaking of the power of His redemptive death, by it He would liberate men and women from unbelief/disobedience, which by nature all are confined to.

So if one Christ died for winds up in hell for their sins in unbelief Jn 8:24, that means His death failed the purpose of God, and yet how many false teachers would tell us that many for whom Christ died shall wind up in hell for their sins that He died for in the prison of unbelief. Such false teachers are against Christ, and serve their own lust and pride !48

 

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His death must cause or give life !

1 Jn 4:9

9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.

Contrary to what false teachers would tell us and have people to believe, that God through Christ offers to all and its up to each individual to either accept or not according to their so called freewill, which is nothing but fables and nonsense , in fact a flat out lie. The Truth is however that those God so Loved and gave His Only Begotten in behalf of, it was for the purpose of effecting or giving them Life, that they may live [Spiritually unto God] through or because of Him. Now understand something, if this Divine Objective is not effected, for each Person He died for, for each Person God so Loved Jn 3:16, then the purpose of Christ's death came to nought, it was defeated , which all false teachers are teaching when they tell us that some for whom Christ died can wind up in hell for their sins in unbelief like these Jn 8:24 !49

 

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His death must cause or give life !2

Those Jesus Christ died for are purposed to live through or because of Him, because of Gods so great of Love for them. This Truth is confirmed in Eph 2:4-5

4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,

5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved )

Because of His Great Love wherewith He so Loved us Jn 3:16, even as and when we were dead sinners, He quickened us [The church] together with Christ, meaning gave us Life. See that word quickened syzōopoieō means:

1. to make one alivetogether
   
   1. to cause to live, make alive, give life
      
      This is how and why we live through Him as stated in 1 Jn 4:9
      
      
      In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.
      Also lets read Peters Testimony of the same thing in 1 Pet 1:3
      
      3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
      
      Thats because as Paul wrote " hath quickened us together with Christ" Eph 2:5 !
      
      Now the word BY in 1 Pet 1:3 and the word through in 1 Jn 4:9, they're the same word, the prep dia which means:
      
      1. the ground or reason by which something is or is not done
         1. by reason of
         2. on account of
         3. because of for this reason
         4. therefore
         5. on this account
            
            We Live [Spiritually] on account of Christ !

 

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The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

It accomplished the full salvation of all for whom it was for. Jesus said in His expiring moments these words Jn 19:30

When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

In other words, something was finished, accomplished, performed. What exactly was it ? It was the saving of His People from their sins as predicted here Matt 1:21

21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.

His death of atonement actually saved His People from their sins! None for whom He died can be lost !51

 

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Christ's death produces life, salvation.

Againstchrist religion doesnt believe this nor understand it, that Christ's death produces salvation fruit, the conversion of souls, its how He is Glorified ! Jesus said when close to the time of His death Jn 12:23-24

23 And Jesus answered them, saying, The hour is come, that the Son of man should be glorified.


24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.

Jesus here is describing how the Son of Man should be Glorified Vs 23. He is the corn of wheat in Vs 24 and He states what happens if it dies, signifying His death !

His death brings forth fruit, the fruit of salvation, the fruit of new life. Its just like when a farmer sows a seed of corn in the ground, what happens ? It brings forth fruit, life. The words bring forth in Vs 24 literally means to produce [to bring into existence; give rise to; cause:]

The New Birth is the result, product of Christ's death, hence believers are said to have been begotten again by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead 1 Pet 1:3

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

The resurrection of Christ displays the fruit of His death, Life ! So those of us who are Truly Born again have Christ's death to Thank for that ! Our New birth is the fruit of His death !

Those false teachers who teach that Christ died for people who never are born again, do Christ's death a disservice, a injury, insult and injustice !

 

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Makes us Righteous, Law Keepers !

Everyone Christ lived and died for, by it, were made righteous, or keepers/doers of the law. Rom 5:19

19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.


Now Christ's obedience started from the cradle to the cross, to include the cross Phil 2:8 and that made those He represented righteous. That word righteous in Rom 5:19 is the greek word dikaios: and means:

just; especially, just in the eyes of God; righteous; the elect, in a wide sense, upright, righteous, virtuous, keeping [or obedience to] the commands of God;

You see, all the obedience man owed to the law of God, Christ rendered it to Gods Law for the many He represented Rom 5:19. So in truth and fact, those Christ lived and died for are those who Paul writes of here Rom 2:13

(For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

The doers of the law ! And whats the promise unto the doers of the law ? They shall be Justified !
The word justified in this verse is the greek word dikaioō

1. to declare, pronounce, one to be just, righteous, or such as he ought to be
   
   It comes from the word dikaios, the word for righteous in Rom 5:19
   
   All for whom Christ lived and died are automatically become doers of the Law. What God did, God imputed Christ's obedience to the law for all the many He was a Surety representative in behalf of Rom 5:19, He charged it to their account, so they have received, they incognizant of it, a righteousness charged to their account that has fully obeyed Gods Law as fully as Christ did while He was living upon the earth.
   
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It makes us dead to the law !

Paul wrote to the believers in Rome these words Rom 7:4

4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

How does one become dead to the Law ? Simple, it happens for all whom Christ died. Everyone Christ died for became dead to the law by that simple fact alone, His death. It did not happen when they repented and or believed in Jesus, it occured before that, in fact it happened before they were even born sinners. All sinners Christ died for are born into this world as sinners but dead to the law, meaning the law of God cannot charge them with any sins against God ! For sin is transgression of the law 1 Jn 3:4

Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

1 Cor 15:56

The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.

Thats right, every sinner Christ died for, and who by nature is walking like this Eph 2:2-3

2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:


3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.


They are dead to the Law, they cannot by God be charged with any transgressions against it whatsoever. This Truth cannot be received by the lost religionist !

Christ death alone accomplished this, it makes every sinner it was for, dead to the law !

 

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Fulfilled in us the righteousness of the law !

Rom 8:3-4

3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:


4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

For all men who were blessed to have Christ as their Surety, when He lived and died in their stead, the righteousness of the law was fulfilled in them. This is by imputation, all of the moral requirements of righteousness due unto God by man, to be summed up here Matt 22:37-39

37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

38 This is the first and great commandment.

39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Paul wrote in Rom 13:8-10


8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.


9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

The Life and death of Christ has fulfilled this love required to the law.

Rom 5:19

19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

Christ's obedience to the Law of God, both active and passive is imputed to all for whom He lived and died. So He being their surety savior is the end of the law for righteousness to eveyone that believeth. He as their surety is also the author of their believing, for they first believed in and by Him, His obedience to the Law for them was also by Faith, because without Faith its impossible to please God Heb 11:6 which Christ did please God as our surety here on earth , rendering complete obedience to Gods law ! Isa 42:21

21 The Lord is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; he will magnify the law, and make it honourable.

 

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It blesses us by turning us from our sins !

Thats what Christ's Death accomplished, it turns everyone for whom He died from their sins and effects an at one ment with God !

Acts 3:25-26

25 Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed. 26 Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.

Yes, the Death of Christ accomplished the atonement, it brings all for whom it was for into fellowship with God, else it was not a complete blessing, and failed the purpose of God.

The words turning away above are the greek words apo strephō and means:

1. to turn away
   
   1. to remove anything from anyone
   2. to turn him away from allegiance to any one, to turn away or back (literally or figuratively):—bring again,
      
      Its the same as Isaiah foretold here Isa 49:6
      to raise up the tribes of Jacob,
      and to restore the preserved of Israel:
      
      That word restore shuwb alse means to:
      
      1. to bring back,
      2. to return, turn back
         
         The word strepho also means to :
         
         
         1. metaph. to turn one's self from one's course of conduct, i.e. to change one's mind, convert
            
            Its the word Jesus used in Matt 18:3
            
            
            And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
            
            So Jesus death accomplished our conversion to God if He died for us !

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Heb 10:14
For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

Those Christ died for, have by His Death alone, hath been made Perfect, yes whiter than snow, free from every spot and wrinkle before God!

 

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Five things the Death of Christ accomplished for all whom He died!

#1. All for whom Christ died have been made righteous by imputed righteousness Rom 5:19; 2 Cor 5:21; Rom 4:6

#2. All for whom Christ died have had their sins put away before God's law and Justice Jn 1:29; 2Cor 5:19; Dan 9:24; Col 2:14

 

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#3. The death of Christ accomplished for all whom He died, A freedom from the guilt/punishment of sins Heb 1:3

Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:

The word for purged katharismos means:

A *cleansing from the guilt of sins! And that is why for them sins can't be imputed or charged to them, for that would reverse what Christ death had done/accomplished.

 

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#4. The death of Christ for all whom He died hath for them alone abolished death!

2 Tim 1:10
10 But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:

Christ death for them abolished all death owed them for sin, hence Rom 6:23
23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

It would be a great injustice for anyone Christ died for to go into the second death

Rev 21:8
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

If that would happen it would be a reversal of and defeat of the accomplishment of the death of Christ.

 

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#5. The death of Christ for all whom He died accomplished for them a sure hope of Glorification.

1 Peter 1:3

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

Its that blessed hope of Glorification to be like Christ 1Jn 3:1-3

Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.

2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

It, Christ death alone, for all whom He died ensured the Glorification Paul writes of here Rom 8:30

30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified. 54

 

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It healed/saved them !

Did you know that the scripture teaches that those Christ died for are saved or healed by Christ death/stripes alone?

Here's two scripture witnesses.

First Isa 53:

5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

Second 1 Pet 2:24

24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

You see the testimony of scripture here is that by Christ stripes ye were healed, stripes being representative of Christ Death or Blood.

It was by His Death they were healed, not by their Faith or Believing!