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Christ Returns! Millions Missing Around World!
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iLOVE
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10 Because you have kept My command to persevere, I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth. 11 Behold,[e] I am coming quickly! Hold fast what you have, that no one may take your crown. 12 He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and he shall go out no more. I will write on him the name of My God and the name of the city of My God, the New Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from My God. And I will write on him My new name. 13 “He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.”’
iLOVE
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THE PILLAR EXPERIENCE
"Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name." -- Rev. 3:12
Here we have a further development in the overcoming life. Keep in mind that this was that helpless child, who has now become a seasoned soldier who can endure hardness. Now he is a "pillar in the temple of my God." Pillars, as a rule, are not so beautiful as pulpits, but they are more essential! Pillars hold things up. Were it not for pillars, great buildings would, collapse. Pillars in large warehouses may be used for various purposes -- not only to hold things together, but they frequently have driven into them great nails and bolts upon which are hung important things.
Oh, is it not wonderful that we can become so fixed and established that we will be dependable? That same man or woman who was once vacillating and easily "hurt" does not pull off and threaten to leave the church now because things do not go to suit him.
I come to your home, and upon ringing the bell a beautiful maiden opens the door and invites me in. Her sister appears, and they both entertain me. Oh, how they can sing and make the piano talk! After some time, a beautiful woman appears in a white apron. She bows, introducing herself, saying: "Supper is now ready." We go out into the dining room and she says, "Father will soon be in -- he is just washing his hands." Presently he appears and begs pardon for being in his overalls. He sits at the head of the table while his wife sits at the other end. The children sit on the sides, and I begin to remark that this is a beautiful and well-cooked meal. I notice the pictures on the walls are hanging just right.
But we could not have enjoyed that music and that repast, had it not been for those two pillars, Father and Mother. His hands may be wrinkled, his finger nails unpainted, furrows appear on his face; but notwithstanding all this, he and his good wife are more essential to the upkeep of that home than are those beautiful maidens.
Likewise, every church may produce those who can sing, shout and make a fair show in the flesh; but sometimes the pastor is pained when he misses them from services. He thinks to himself, "Did they take offense at what I said last Sabbath?" or "Are they staying away because of the way the election of delegates to conference turned out?"
Not so, with a few old pillars! Thank God. If they are not present at the midweek prayer meeting or Sabbath services, the pastor has no uneasiness. He knows they are all right. They are busy serving the Lord! They have started a revival or a prayer meeting in their own neighborhood. They are pillars that "shall go no more out."
Yes, a pillar may be rugged and unpolished, yet he is the one of whom God says, "I will write upon him my name, and my city." This immediately lends prestige and influence. Oh, my friends, what could be greater than to walk down the streets of this city, the new Jerusalem, with God's own signature all over me? He wrote it Himself -- not His secretary, with a rubber stamp, but He, Himself, wrote upon me His own name and the name of His city, even the new Jerusalem! Oh, this is worth more than paint and polish that can easily be rubbed off! Friend, I would rather be old-fashioned, yea, unlettered, yea, never invited to give an after-dinner speech at a great banquet, yet be worth something when the fight is on and drudgery work needs to be done -- than to look wise and be useless.
"To be a pillar in the temple of God indicates that the soul has penetrated from the outer courts of religious life into the very center of that glorious spiritual structure which the Holy Ghost has been fashioning through the centuries. It is evident that all believers who enter into that glorious structure will not rank as pillars, for it would be out of keeping for every piece in the temple to be a pillar. And we notice that this promise was not given in the earliest stages of the overcoming life, but reserved for the last stage previous to sitting with Christ in His throne. There are thousands of degrees of grace among God's children.
"When it pleases God to take one of His servants and make him a pillar in the temple, Christ then affirms, 'He shall go no more out.' We are to take these words to mean just what they say. We have seen in previous steps that there are points in grace from which the soul may retrograde and be lost forever; but the Scriptures just as clearly teach that there is a point in Divine life where the believer's glorious destiny is forever settled." -- Watson
https://www.raptureready.com/resource/shelhamer/hdm0357_07.html
"Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name." -- Rev. 3:12
Here we have a further development in the overcoming life. Keep in mind that this was that helpless child, who has now become a seasoned soldier who can endure hardness. Now he is a "pillar in the temple of my God." Pillars, as a rule, are not so beautiful as pulpits, but they are more essential! Pillars hold things up. Were it not for pillars, great buildings would, collapse. Pillars in large warehouses may be used for various purposes -- not only to hold things together, but they frequently have driven into them great nails and bolts upon which are hung important things.
Oh, is it not wonderful that we can become so fixed and established that we will be dependable? That same man or woman who was once vacillating and easily "hurt" does not pull off and threaten to leave the church now because things do not go to suit him.
I come to your home, and upon ringing the bell a beautiful maiden opens the door and invites me in. Her sister appears, and they both entertain me. Oh, how they can sing and make the piano talk! After some time, a beautiful woman appears in a white apron. She bows, introducing herself, saying: "Supper is now ready." We go out into the dining room and she says, "Father will soon be in -- he is just washing his hands." Presently he appears and begs pardon for being in his overalls. He sits at the head of the table while his wife sits at the other end. The children sit on the sides, and I begin to remark that this is a beautiful and well-cooked meal. I notice the pictures on the walls are hanging just right.
But we could not have enjoyed that music and that repast, had it not been for those two pillars, Father and Mother. His hands may be wrinkled, his finger nails unpainted, furrows appear on his face; but notwithstanding all this, he and his good wife are more essential to the upkeep of that home than are those beautiful maidens.
Likewise, every church may produce those who can sing, shout and make a fair show in the flesh; but sometimes the pastor is pained when he misses them from services. He thinks to himself, "Did they take offense at what I said last Sabbath?" or "Are they staying away because of the way the election of delegates to conference turned out?"
Not so, with a few old pillars! Thank God. If they are not present at the midweek prayer meeting or Sabbath services, the pastor has no uneasiness. He knows they are all right. They are busy serving the Lord! They have started a revival or a prayer meeting in their own neighborhood. They are pillars that "shall go no more out."
Yes, a pillar may be rugged and unpolished, yet he is the one of whom God says, "I will write upon him my name, and my city." This immediately lends prestige and influence. Oh, my friends, what could be greater than to walk down the streets of this city, the new Jerusalem, with God's own signature all over me? He wrote it Himself -- not His secretary, with a rubber stamp, but He, Himself, wrote upon me His own name and the name of His city, even the new Jerusalem! Oh, this is worth more than paint and polish that can easily be rubbed off! Friend, I would rather be old-fashioned, yea, unlettered, yea, never invited to give an after-dinner speech at a great banquet, yet be worth something when the fight is on and drudgery work needs to be done -- than to look wise and be useless.
"To be a pillar in the temple of God indicates that the soul has penetrated from the outer courts of religious life into the very center of that glorious spiritual structure which the Holy Ghost has been fashioning through the centuries. It is evident that all believers who enter into that glorious structure will not rank as pillars, for it would be out of keeping for every piece in the temple to be a pillar. And we notice that this promise was not given in the earliest stages of the overcoming life, but reserved for the last stage previous to sitting with Christ in His throne. There are thousands of degrees of grace among God's children.
"When it pleases God to take one of His servants and make him a pillar in the temple, Christ then affirms, 'He shall go no more out.' We are to take these words to mean just what they say. We have seen in previous steps that there are points in grace from which the soul may retrograde and be lost forever; but the Scriptures just as clearly teach that there is a point in Divine life where the believer's glorious destiny is forever settled." -- Watson
https://www.raptureready.com/resource/shelhamer/hdm0357_07.html
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You can't be any more specific than that? I've read those chapters many times and if what you claimed was there, I wouldn't have asked. I would appreciate it if you spelled it out for me.
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Luke 21:34-36 Living Bible (TLB)
“Watch out! Don’t let my sudden coming catch you unawares; don’t let me find you living in careless ease, carousing and drinking, and occupied with the problems of this life, like all the rest of the world. 36 Keep a constant watch. And pray that if possible you may arrive in my presence without having to experience these horrors.”[g]
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Help me make the connection. I'm not seeing where it states some christians are taken and other christians are not.
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Yes,iLOVE there will be many who will not go in the rapture and will be disappointed because they were a Christian in name only.Man can be deceived but God can not.
Luke 21:34-36
The New Testament never portrays the Bride of Christ (the Church) ever experiencing the wrath of God. Instead, Jesus tells His followers to escape what is to come: "But watch yourselves lest your hearts be weighed down with dissipation and drunkenness and cares of this life, and that day come upon you suddenly like a trap. For it will come upon allwho dwell on the face of the whole earth. But stay awake at all times, praying that you may have strengthto escape all these things that are going to take place, and to stand before the Son of Man" (Luke 21:34–36, emphasis added).
Read more:http://www.compellingtruth.org/what-is-the-rapture.html#ixzz3PJoNTH8b
The New Testament never portrays the Bride of Christ (the Church) ever experiencing the wrath of God. Instead, Jesus tells His followers to escape what is to come: "But watch yourselves lest your hearts be weighed down with dissipation and drunkenness and cares of this life, and that day come upon you suddenly like a trap. For it will come upon allwho dwell on the face of the whole earth. But stay awake at all times, praying that you may have strengthto escape all these things that are going to take place, and to stand before the Son of Man" (Luke 21:34–36, emphasis added).
Read more:http://www.compellingtruth.org/what-is-the-rapture.html#ixzz3PJoNTH8b
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I think I have a pretty good grip on the scriptures. It's your interpretation of them that has me puzzled.
You claim some Christians will be raptured while others won't. I simply want to see the verse or verses that lead you to that conclusion.
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Why may I ask do you think the tribulation and the wrath of God are the same?
Luke 21:34 "And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares."
The "snare" is a trap.
Romans 11:9 "And David saith, "Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumbling block, and a recompense unto them: Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway."
If you were expecting a trap right in front of you, you would make sure you would not step into it, but if you did not know that snare and trap was there, you would walk right into it with eyes wide open. This coming of Satan and the deceptions that come over the earth will be very unexpected. When you hears rumors, and things happening that are drawing you to Satan, that he is here, why would you put yourself into that temptation. Those that don't know the truth of these end times will actually think that Satan is Jesus and will run to him. They will be proud to say that they are Satan's whore, though they will not word it that way. And the things that they do and say for Satan, they will be thinking all the time that they are doing it for Christ. Through their own traditions, they will set their own traps and fall right into the pit they prepared. They just did not study enough to know the difference between Jesus and Satan, yet they call themselves Christians. The trials and temptations are coming, and Jesus told you in the eighth verse; "Take heed that no man deceive you by any means." They will be coming and telling you that Christ sent them. In their minds Satan is Christ. The Holy Spirit will open your eyes as to which are from God, and those that are from Satan.
Luke 21:36 "Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man."
We are to ask for wisdom to our Heavenly Father's Word, and His guidance daily so we don't fall into those traps and snares of these end times. So lets go into the Greek text to get a better view of what this verse is saying. Why do you stand before the Son of man? You stand there for judgment. Pray that you will have the wisdom to stand against Satan, so by your words and actions you will stand there undefiled and condemned by our Lord. Pray that you will be the one to hear Him say, Well done My good and faithful servant, enter into the gates of heaven. Many will stand before Christ in shame, and Jesus will say to them, "Get away from me, I know you not."
The subject for this entire hour of temptation is being deceived. Do you consider it a blessing when you are not deceived, or does it make any difference to you? the purpose of this chapter is to keep you from being deceived by those that come in Christ's name peddling their false doctrines and traditions that go against God's Word. So if Satan says that he is Christ, and your pastor and denomination tell you that the man in Jerusalem is Christ, and Satan does and says the things you expect Christ to do, will you follow your pastor and bow to that fake? That is the test and trial for this time. Can you be tempted when your family, your church, your friends tell you Satan is Christ, and to top it all off, when you see supernatural acts happening right before your eyes? Jesus is telling you to expect it.
II Thessalonians 2:1, 2
"Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto Him, That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter, as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand."
Paul is telling you to not be taken in by any means, and they will use every trick in the book to get you to join them.
II Thessalonians 2:3
"Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there be a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition,"
Did you get that? Before Jesus comes, there will be a massive falling away , and Satan, who is the man of sin, also called the son of perdition, will actually sit in the his temple in Jerusalem, and the entire world will believe it.
II Thessalonians 2:4
"Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the Temple of God, shewing himself that he is God."
It is Satan who opposeth and exalteth himself above our Heavenly Father. Satan will demand that you worship him, and he will sit in his temple in Jerusalem and do and say the things to try and make you believe it. He will try to appear as you think Jesus ought to appear. I hope that in that day when Satan arrives, instead of being tempted in worshipping him, that you would find him the abomination that he is. That is why you will have your gospel armor on and in place to make a stand and be ready for those spiritual battles.
Some people are so biblically illiterate that they will try to tell you that this 36th verse is all about the rapture theory. But it doesn't say that, but the Greek is very specific, "That you stand before Christ at the judgment." You stand before Christ, after these things have come to pass. Then you will be judged by what you did while Satan was in the temple pretending to be God. Did you go to Satan and bow to him, or did you stand your ground? Be prepared to speak up when their lies and deceit are spoken to you. So now stop and think for a moment, why do you put your gospel armor on in the first place? You put on the gospel armor for the sole purpose of making a stand and defending yourself from those fiery darts of Satan's lies. Take the time an study Ephesians 6:10-20. Jesus is telling you to ask Father, pray for the wisdom so that you can be accountable on that day of Jesus' return.
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n2thelight
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Ephesians 6:11 "Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil."
Ephesians 6:12 "For we wrestle not against flesh ad blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places
Daniel 8:23 will give us a view of what this ruler of darkness is like. "And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up."
This king in the "latter time" is Satan, the Antichrist; he is the "king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences". In the Hebrew text it means that Satan is "skilled in dissimulation" of the truth of God's word. Satan knows all of God's word, and as such, he is the father of lies and deception. He will twist and turn the truth a little here and a little there, to make it an outright lie. Satan is the Antichrist on earth, and we must never forget it.
Daniel 8:24 "And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power; and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practice, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy People."
He will take away so much of Christianity, and cause so much deception through false doctrines [such as the rapture doctrine] that all those without their full [whole] armor on, will be deceived. He comes "in" [to this earth] with the promise of peace and prosperity; with false hopes and a promise to fulfill your every wish, if you will but follow him.
Daniel 8:25 "And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand."
Ephesians 6:13 "Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God that ye may be able to with stand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand."
We will stand against Satan, and all his forces. The "evil day" is just before the Lord's return, and on that day we had better be prepared to stand and face Satan, with our full armor on.
We are to make a stand,not hope to be raptured away...............
Ephesians 6:12 "For we wrestle not against flesh ad blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places
Daniel 8:23 will give us a view of what this ruler of darkness is like. "And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up."
This king in the "latter time" is Satan, the Antichrist; he is the "king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences". In the Hebrew text it means that Satan is "skilled in dissimulation" of the truth of God's word. Satan knows all of God's word, and as such, he is the father of lies and deception. He will twist and turn the truth a little here and a little there, to make it an outright lie. Satan is the Antichrist on earth, and we must never forget it.
Daniel 8:24 "And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power; and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practice, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy People."
He will take away so much of Christianity, and cause so much deception through false doctrines [such as the rapture doctrine] that all those without their full [whole] armor on, will be deceived. He comes "in" [to this earth] with the promise of peace and prosperity; with false hopes and a promise to fulfill your every wish, if you will but follow him.
Daniel 8:25 "And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand."
Ephesians 6:13 "Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God that ye may be able to with stand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand."
We will stand against Satan, and all his forces. The "evil day" is just before the Lord's return, and on that day we had better be prepared to stand and face Satan, with our full armor on.
We are to make a stand,not hope to be raptured away...............
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