Christian Tolerance?

[Isaiah28:7-8]

On virtually every Christian forum in which I have participated there is at least one person who does nothing but to continually find reasons why my religion is false. They will typically pick out some point or other and then pretend to have a greater understanding of classical Arabic than some of us might have and continue to a erroneous conclusion which they beat us over the head with. Other times they will attempt to interpret the Qur'an in a way which is contrary to true meaning and try to defeat us with that. More often they will use the Bible to indicate how wrong we are. They fail to understand that we do not consider the Bible to be an authoritative work and that it is thus of no value when used in such a way.

This does not anger me so much as it amazes me. Why, I wonder, is this so important to some of you? We Muslims do not engage in any similar behavior against Christians. We try our best to respect all of you. Muslims honor Jesus and we try very much to follow His great example in life. This example specifically tells us to be humble and giving towards others. Forgiveness and non-violence are of paramount importance. If a Muslim knows this why do some Christians not?

Christianity and Islam do not compete. We are supposed to be brothers in God. Is it only spiritual immaturity which inspires this foolishness or is there something even more profound?

What I would like to discuss is the reasons some of you might have for attempting to undermine my religion. I don't spend my time dreaming up reasons why Christianity is false. I have better things to do. Don't you? Also I'd like to know what you think God's reaction to your behavior might be.

What, I wonder, will those Christians who do these things say when they meet Muslims in heaven? Imagine their bulging eyes and mouths open in surprise when they find that God has no religious preference whatsoever.

Sheesh you guys.... grow up already.

Blessings,

Yaqub

Good post.

Non-violence or lack thereof is a human issue in all religious backgrounds. All religions have issues with violent groups even buddhists.

I believe in One God. That is not to say that there arent multiple views from multiple nations on that one god. For example the jewish god is the christian god... yet neither see him the same way or practice the same tenets.

We are all spiritual brothers and sisters under one god.

For anyone to claim to know their god is the one true god and their religion is the only right one is extremely arrogant. Unless one has spoke to God personally this is impossible to know. Every religion has a group of people saying their god is THE god and this is how wars and killing begins.

We must show great respect to all religions and respect others and their choices and accept that god has given all people of all nations free will, who are we to second guess god.

There is little tolerance in humans in general whether religious, political, economical etc. It is a human issue on all levels.

Though christians IMO seem to be among the most misinformed religious group I have come across in terms of misinterpretation of religious texts, violent acts, and elitism in general.

Let us not forget about the christians who go around killing abortion doctors and bombing abortion clinics and the dozens and dozens of christian religious fueled violence every year. Of course this being a christian nation these things are swept under the rug quietly while other nations are lampooned for similar fringe groups.

Overall I think most christians fail to remember to love thy neighbor.It doesnt say, only love thy neighbor if thy neighbor is christian. Jesus ministered to and healed and cared for ALL peoples regardless of faith. We should follow in his example.

 

[Tina]

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Though christians IMO seem to be among the most misinformed religious group I have come across in terms of misinterpretation of religious texts, violent acts, and elitism in general.

Christians are the most misinformed religious group ?
So that must include you too right ??

Let us not forget about the christians who go around killing abortion doctors and bombing abortion clinics and the dozens and dozens of christian religious fueled violence every year. Of course this being a christian nation these things are swept under the rug quietly while other nations are lampooned for similar fringe groups.

Comparing isolated and exceptional instances with normal and rampant terrorist activities is like comparing apples and oranges !

Jesus ministered to and healed and cared for ALL peoples regardless of faith.

NOT TRUE !!!


Matthew 13:58
Now He did NOT do many mighty works there because of their unbelief.

 

[jasoncran]

what ? we as a community didnt speak out agianst that murder of tiller. i think we did there buddy. and what of the burning of quran many did speak out agaisnst that.

i did, as i was near that chruch on training and that was talked to about on the base i was at.

 

[Isaiah28:7-8]

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Christians are the most misinformed religious group ?
So that must include you too right ??

I believe in Christ, I do not believe in Christians. Generally christians misinterpret as a group more religious text than any other faith I have come across. No two pastors, priests, practitioners, scholars, believers, etc can agree on the meaning of a text. And more often than not they interpret a lot wrongly or apply it in ways that go against the teachings. Many christians are misinformed by the church and taught wrongly by the churches.I do not mean all Christians and while I am not misinformed as I am a scholar who has studied for myself I am open to the idea that I may be wrong as know one knows for fact that they are right but I have faith in what I belief and what is written in the bible.Fact is though that most christians hardly read the bible and what they do read, they often misinterpret due to not being familiar with the times or other issues or even just personal bias.

Comparing isolated and exceptional instances with normal and rampant terrorist activities is like comparing apples and oranges !

Precisely do not judge any religion or faith on a few bad apples. To call entire religions terrorist is incredibly ignorant. Have you studied even your own bible? Have you then studied the holy texts of other faiths, ones you judge? They contain similar amounts of violence and christian groups perpetuate as much violence as any other religion.There are terrorists in all faiths and nations.

NOT TRUE !!!


Matthew 13:58
Now He did NOT do many mighty works there because of their unbelief.

Another verse out of context.

Matthew 13:1 - 13

The same day went Jesus out of the house, and sat by the sea side.
And great multitudes were gathered together unto him, so that he went into a ship, and sat; and the whole multitude stood on the shore. And he spake many things unto them in parables, saying, Behold, a sower went forth to sow; http://bible.cc/matthew/13-4.htm
And when he sowed, some seeds fell by the way side, and the fowls came and devoured them up: http://bible.cc/matthew/13-5.htm
Some fell upon stony places, where they had not much earth: and forthwith they sprung up, because they had no deepness of earth: http://bible.cc/matthew/13-6.htm
And when the sun was up, they were scorched; and because they had no root, they withered away. http://bible.cc/matthew/13-7.htm
And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprung up, and choked them:

But other fell into good ground, and brought forth fruit, some an hundredfold, some sixtyfold, some thirtyfold. http://bible.cc/matthew/13-9.htm
Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given. http://bible.cc/matthew/13-12.htm
For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath. Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.


The context is that Jesus did do perform miracles for them beccause they could not see, hear or understand the kingdom of god.


1 Timothy 4:10 "...we have put our trust in the living God who is the Savior of all men, and especially those who believe."


Savior of all men.


2 kings 4:42-44



And there came a man from Baalshalisha, and brought the man of God bread of the firstfruits, twenty loaves of barley, and full ears of corn in the husk thereof. And he said, Give unto the people, that they may eat.
And his servitor said, What, should I set this before an hundred men? He said again, Give the people, that they may eat: for thus saith the LORD, They shall eat, and shall leave thereof.
So he set it before them, and they did eat, and left thereof, according to the word of the LORD.


A miracle...no requirement of faith or discerning whom to perform miracles for.


Miracles of Jesus

• Turning water into wine (John 2:1-11)
• Healing of a nobleman's son (John 4:46-54)
• Delivering a man in the synagogue from demonic spirits (Mark 1:21-28; Luke 4:31-37)
• Healing Peter's mother-in-law (Mark 1:29-31; Luke 4:38-39; Matthew 8:14-15)
• The first of two nets of fish and the calling of His first disciples (Luke 5:1-11)
• Cleansing a leper (Mark 1:40-45; Matthew 8:1-4)
• Healing a paralytic (Mark 2:1-12; Matthew 9:2-8; Luke 5:17-26)
• Healing of the man at Bethesda (John 5:1-15)
• Healing a man with a withered hand (Luke 6:6-11; Matthew 12:9-13; Mark 3:1-5)
• Healing the Centurion's servant (Luke 7: 1-10; Matthew 8:5-13)
• Raising the widow's son (Luke 7:11-16)
• Casting out a dumb and blind spirit (Luke 11:14-26; Matthew 12:22-32; Mark 3:22-30)
• Calming a storm (Mark 4:35-41; Matthew 8:18-27; Luke 8:22-25)
• Healing a man possessed by demons at Gadara (Mark 5:1-20; Matthew 8:28; Luke 8:26)
• Healing a woman with an issue of blood (Mark 5:25-34; Matthew 9:18-26; Luke 8:40-56)
• Raising Jairus' daughter (Mark 5:21-43)
• Healing of two blind men (Matthew 9:27-31
• Casting out a spirit (Matthew 9:32-34)
• Feeding 5,000 with five loaves and two fish (John 6:1-14; Matthew 14:13-21; Mark 6:32-44; Luke 9:10-17)
• Walking on water (Matthew 14:22-33; John 6:15-21; Mark 6:45-52)
• Delivering the Syrophoenician's daughter (Matthew 15:21-28)
• Healing a deaf and dumb man (Mark 7:31-37)
• Feeding another 4,000-plus (Mark 8:1-10; Matthew 15:32)
• Healing the blind man of Bethsaida (Mark 8:22-26)
• Casting demons out of a lunatic boy (Mark 9:14-29; Matthew 17:14-21; Luke 9:37-42)
• Pulling a coin from the mouth of a fish (Matthew 17:24-27)
• Healing a man born blind (John 9:1-41)
• Healing a woman with an 18-year infirmity (Luke 13:10-17)
• Healing a man with dropsy (or edema) (Luke 14:1-6)
• Raising Lazarus (John 11:1-46)
• Cleansing of ten lepers (Luke 17:11-19)
• Healing blind Bartimeaus (Mark 10:46-52)
• Cursing the fig tree (Mark 11:12-26)
• Healing of Malchus' ear (Luke 22:49-51)
• A second net of fish (John 21:1-12)

Now how many of these people needed to have a belief in Jesus before the miracle was performed?

Miracles were performed among people with no way of having belief such as lunatics/pssesed or deaf mutes. Miracles were performed without demanding faith or belief.

The passage you quoted was about HONOR and that jesus felt disrespected NOT because they were infidel, unbelieving heathens. If this were the case why all these miracles among people who didnt have a chance or way to believe in Jesus or even knew of Jesus and the kingdom of God yet?

Did he feed or heal only the believers ? No. He fed and healed all.

 

[jasoncran]

he didnt heal in that city, he left them as they didnt want him to heal them, men do reject jesus.

the rich man that was asked to give all to the lord and serve him did that just that.

 

[Isaiah28:7-8]

what ? we as a community didnt speak out agianst that murder of tiller. i think we did there buddy. and what of the burning of quran many did speak out agaisnst that.

i did, as i was near that chruch on training and that was talked to about on the base i was at.

It does not matter that you spoke against these things. Christians committed them. It happened.

Muslims and Islamic people as well as other faiths such as buddhist speak out as a community and condemn the ill actions people of their faiths take yet they are condemned as a faith this is why we have such bad relations with the middle east.

I do not believe military goes along with the teachings of Christianity or jesus either as killing innocents goes against the bible and teachings of Jesus but thats a whole other issue.

People only spoke out about the Quran burning because of fear of retaliation on troops mostly. Christians are very intolerant of middle eastern faiths.

 

[Pard]

I believe in Christ, I do not believe in Christians. Generally christians misinterpret as a group more religious text than any other faith I have come across.

Who cares? The only thing that matters is the two bickering pastors are going to Heaven because they know Jesus. All the other religions, even though they may all be 100% agreement about their texts... well they are going to Hell cause they do not know Jesus.

I'd rather be friends with 100 bickering Christians than a 100 Hindus in total agreement. I'll see my bickering Christian friends in Heaven and we can have God straighten out their problems. Those Hindu friends will be down in Hell going, "We really should have listened to Ian when he told us about Jesus, huh?"

 

[Isaiah28:7-8]

he didnt heal in that city, he left them as they didnt want him to heal them, men do reject jesus.

the rich man that was asked to give all to the lord and serve him did that just that.

Are you referring to this rich man?

Mark 10:20-23
10:20 And he answered and said unto him, Master, all these have I observed from my youth. 10:21 Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me. 10:22 And he was sad at that saying, and went away grieved: for he had great possessions. 10:23 And Jesus looked round about, and saith unto his disciples, How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of God!
Because he didnt follow Jesus' command at all.Please Clarify?

 

[Isaiah28:7-8]

Who cares? The only thing that matters is the two bickering pastors are going to Heaven because they know Jesus. All the other religions, even though they may all be 100% agreement about their texts... well they are going to Hell cause they do not know Jesus.

I'd rather be friends with 100 bickering Christians than a 100 Hindus in total agreement. I'll see my bickering Christian friends in Heaven and we can have God straighten out their problems. Those Hindu friends will be down in Hell going, "We really should have listened to Ian when he told us about Jesus, huh?"

Sorry but all men are saved according to the bible. Believers or not. People keep ignoring this point entirely.

Your views are arrogant friend. Assuming non christians will go to hell.

1 Timothy 4:10
"For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, especially of those that believe"

 

[Tina]

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I believe in Christ, I do not believe in Christians. Generally christians misinterpret as a group more religious text than any other faith I have come across. No two pastors, priests, practitioners, scholars, believers, etc can agree on the meaning of a text. And more often than not they interpret a lot wrongly or apply it in ways that go against the teachings. Many christians are misinformed by the church and taught wrongly by the churches.I do not mean all Christians and while I am not misinformed as I am a scholar who has studied for myself I am open to the idea that I may be wrong as know one knows for fact that they are right but I have faith in what I belief and what is written in the bible.Fact is though that most christians hardly read the bible and what they do read, they often misinterpret due to not being familiar with the times or other issues or even just personal bias.

Sounds to me like you are assuming that YOUR interpretation is more accurate than anyone else's !

Precisely do not judge any religion or faith on a few bad apples. To call entire religions terrorist is incredibly ignorant. Have you studied even your own bible? Have you then studied the holy texts of other faiths, ones you judge? They contain similar amounts of violence and christian groups perpetuate as much violence as any other religion.There are terrorists in all faiths and nations.

When you read media reports today, which religion is often featured as being behind terrorist attacks? Which religion today has put the entire world under tight security vigilance due to 9/11, Marriott bombings, Bali bombings, church torchings, etc .... Go figure !

Another verse out of context.

The passage you quoted was about HONOR and that jesus felt disrespected NOT because they were infidel, unbelieving heathens. If this were the case why all these miracles among people who didnt have a chance or way to believe in Jesus or even knew of Jesus and the kingdom of God yet?

This is an example of how you skew scriptures and interprete scripture to your own advantage to support your views, ... not that your interpetation is wrong.

Earlier you said - "Jesus ministered to and healed and cared for ALL peoples regardless of faith." I only presented the scriptures to prove to you that Jesus did NOT heal ALL peoples as you claimed, notwithstanding His reasons for not healing.

 

[jasoncran]

wow, so i guess those that are in the know about this stuff here and others, and you assume much on me, i have been to a muslim country served and made friends.

and i was going to pull their prayers of fb and decided not to. i have educated myself on islam. i can list sites that condemned that church.

even my old plt sgt who hates islam thought that was wrong. and we have muslims in the army anyway. i have trained with one.

i know that the bible says about violence, but this i will say.
are we to allow evil to rule the world and are we to let the bad guy to kill our loved ones?

name me one documented order to kill these innocents by an officer in the current wars that wasnt punished or the officer being charged.

i want actuall documented operation orders or warning orders with the specifice statements that the army or marines are going in to kill known civilians that arent combatants.

with names, places, pics and events.

 

[Pard]

Sorry but all men are saved according to the bible. Believers or not. People keep ignoring this point entirely.

Your views are arrogant friend. Assuming non christians will go to hell.

1 Timothy 4:10
"For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, especially of those that believe"

Sure, sure. I am "ignoring" the point. Keep in mind, of course, that you are ignoring every remark Christ made about the route to Heaven. Of course you also have to ignore the actually meaning of 1 Timother 4:10 in order to come to your conclusion, but ya, I mean I am the arrogant one and you must the wise scholar!

1 Timothy 4:10 is a tricky verse, so I understand where you have fallen in understanding it. Also it doesn't help that you attend a terrible cult group.

God is the savior of ALL men because He provided ALL men a means to salvation from the sin that ALL men commit. God is the special savior of believers because ALL believers have actually accepted God's salvation, instead of casting it to the way-side and running with their own, man-made, beliefs.

 

[Isaiah28:7-8]

wow, so i guess those that are in the know about this stuff here and others, and you assume much on me, i have been to a muslim country served and made friends.

and i was going to pull their prayers of fb and decided not to. i have educated myself on islam. i can list sites that condemned that church.

even my old plt sgt who hates islam thought that was wrong. and we have muslims in the army anyway. i have trained with one.

i know that the bible says about violence, but this i will say.
are we to allow evil to rule the world and are we to let the bad guy to kill our loved ones?

name me one documented order to kill these innocents by an officer in the current wars that wasnt punished or the officer being charged.

i want actuall documented operation orders or warning orders with the specifice statements that the army or marines are going in to kill known civilians that arent combatants.

with names, places, pics and events.

We are taught to turn the other cheek for one and for two where is this evil?

Documented iraqi civilian deaths = more than 97,994 ...

The majority of deaths are innocents, unarmed and sitting in homes when bombs are dropped or things break out... As with all war it is the meek and innocent who suffers most... Very few iraqi deaths were the result of insurgent actions and are not tallied in the count....

How many american civilians died.... Nowhere near that figure by a mile...the bible says an eye for eye meaning NO MORE THAN an eye for an eye...

Name one modern war that the casualties werent mostly civilians and innocents. More than 90% of casualties in all wars tends to be innocent men and especially women and children.

Here you excuse your faith in defense of personal beliefs that there is great evil that must be crushed....but where is this evil?

If we chose to, we could defend without killing and aggression but this is not the way of the US,

 

[Isaiah28:7-8]

Sure, sure. I am "ignoring" the point. Keep in mind, of course, that you are ignoring every remark Christ made about the route to Heaven. Of course you also have to ignore the actually meaning of 1 Timother 4:10 in order to come to your conclusion, but ya, I mean I am the arrogant one and you must the wise scholar!

1 Timothy 4:10 is a tricky verse, so I understand where you have fallen in understanding it. Also it doesn't help that you attend a terrible cult group.

God is the savior of ALL men because He provided ALL men a means to salvation from the sin that ALL men commit. God is the special savior of believers because ALL believers have actually accepted God's salvation, instead of casting it to the way-side and running with their own, man-made, beliefs.

Your answer is to call it a cult and therefore I must err because I share my faith?

I am a scholar actually.

I am ignoring nothing. Christ said many things as did god and the bible and they dont always match up 100% I quote what I believe to be true and what the base of my faith is.

 

[jasoncran]

turn the other cheek so that you know is a reference to the jewish insulting by smiting of the face by the back hand, if you notice that we see that in the judgement of the lord. thats not the same defending evil

look i used to be a pacifist.

i know these arguments all to well

did we again aim these bombs at innocents where is the source. i always here these numbers yet what is they actually numbers?

so one can peacfully stop those terrorist with trigger in hand? or the planes that wouldnt stop till they hit the twin towers?

i understand pacifism but i am a realist, i do martial arts and know my limits. i dont care how much of bruce lee i am a guy with a knife might just win, but me armed he wont.

so we should let them bomb us to death? did i read that right? correct me but it sure sounds like that what you said when you said what the casuality rates of americans to iraqui were

and for the record i was against the invasion of iraq.

a needless war, but then again i didnt see the intel that bush saw.

 

[Pard]

You err because you are feeding the Spirit within you manna that is not from God's table. We need spiritual food to make reasonable sense of the Bible and you are not going to find very nutritious food within the walls of the UU church. Been there, done that. They do not teach Christianity, they teach Universalism. Universalism is an idea created in the 1600s during the reformation. If you look at the creators they initially created the idea because they did not want to trouble themselves with a loving God casting sinners into Hell. Once they decided this, then they began to create scriptural support.

So I am giving you the benefit of the doubt because you feed your Spirit with unhealthy food.

Being a scholar means nothing to me. A college is not going to teach you any more about God then the Bible a bit of study and prayer. Actually, I find it rather arrogant that you are trying to rationalize your views as correct simply because you are a "scholar". You do know what the Bible says about this right?

Christ said many things and all of them match up 110% because Christ is God and God makes no errors or contradictions. Every word in the Bible is true, you cannot nit pick it to sustain your view. A view created because people did not want to stomach that a loving God could damn people to Hell. Of course people really damn themselves by not accepting the Word of God and His Son who so lovingly died on the cross so that they may but believe in Him and be saved for eternity.

As for the military thing, the Bible never once calls out against joining the military. Not in the Tanakh and not in the Gospel.

 

[Isaiah28:7-8]

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Sounds to me like you are assuming that YOUR interpretation is more accurate than anyone else's !

I think it is more accurate than most people. This is because I am a christian mendicant and a scholar. I live my life for my faith and have given up the world to express my faith and walk in it. I am a scholar and for many years I have studied the bible, the apocrypha, the hebrew bible and hebrew among many other things. I have dedicated my life to studying the bible and the lives of those in it and related topics my entire life. I have a solid position to interpret things. Am I correct? No one can know except God. Could I be wrong? Certainly, but I believe what I do in strong faith and I live the teachings of Jesus. Just as a mechanic is more likely to interpret an issue properly with a car, such is the case with a biblical scholar and the bible versus people who do not study the same way.

This is not arrogance and I apologize to those who may interpret it this way.

When you read media reports today, which religion is often featured as being behind terrorist attacks? Which religion today has put the entire world under tight security vigilance due to 9/11, Marriott bombings, Bali bombings, church torchings, etc .... Go figure !

Why is this? Because you read and watch american media who is at war with the middle east. Watch other countries news such as even britain and the picture changes and we see how much is censored from americans. Christian attacks are often swept under the rug. How many middle eastern practitioners of their faith are raping and murder our people? None. How many US soldiers and contractors who are supposed to be good christian men and women are doing so? There are dozens upon dozens of cases to date of crimes against women as young as 14 who was gang raped by several soldiers then her and her family were slaughtered like cattle for no reason other than hatred.Christians did this.

Christian violence is always around as is all violence in all faiths.To think islamic or muslim beliefs are alone in violence this is entirely in error.

Dont hate.





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This is an example of how you skew scriptures and interprete scripture to your own advantage to support your views, ... not that your interpetation is wrong.

Earlier you said - "Jesus ministered to and healed and cared for ALL peoples regardless of faith." I only presented the scriptures to prove to you that Jesus did NOT heal ALL peoples as you claimed, notwithstanding His reasons for not healing.[/QUOTE]


You misunderstand my words.

He did care for all peoples regardless of their faith.This means religion or beliefs. Meaning he healed without asking first are you christian, do you believe....he healed and fed all people in his miracles yes? I mean that he healed people who had no belief or knowledge of god of the kingdom. And he died for all men btw.

I did not mean he healed all people he came across.I apologize for not wording it clearer to all who read it.

He didnt perform in your case due to honor and being offended.

There are over 30 miracles he did perform all without requiring faith in him or knowledge of god or the kingdom.

 

[jasoncran]

Tina isnt american but lives in asia.

 

[Isaiah28:7-8]

You err because you are feeding the Spirit within you manna that is not from God's table. We need spiritual food to make reasonable sense of the Bible and you are not going to find very nutritious food within the walls of the UU church. Been there, done that. They do not teach Christianity, they teach Universalism. Universalism is an idea created in the 1600s during the reformation. If you look at the creators they initially created the idea because they did not want to trouble themselves with a loving God casting sinners into Hell. Once they decided this, then they began to create scriptural support.

So I am giving you the benefit of the doubt because you feed your Spirit with unhealthy food.

Being a scholar means nothing to me. A college is not going to teach you any more about God then the Bible a bit of study and prayer. Actually, I find it rather arrogant that you are trying to rationalize your views as correct simply because you are a "scholar". You do know what the Bible says about this right?

Christ said many things and all of them match up 110% because Christ is God and God makes no errors or contradictions. Every word in the Bible is true, you cannot nit pick it to sustain your view. A view created because people did not want to stomach that a loving God could damn people to Hell. Of course people really damn themselves by not accepting the Word of God and His Son who so lovingly died on the cross so that they may but believe in Him and be saved for eternity.

As for the military thing, the Bible never once calls out against joining the military. Not in the Tanakh and not in the Gospel.

Are you also pentacostal by chance? Some people believe the bible is inerrant such as pentacostals I do NOT believe the bible is inerrant because it was written by men. I am not nitpicking the bible rather pointing out inconsistencies which all scholars know.

So you think jesus would approve of killing innocent men women and children? Of course not but this is what happens in the military and is not consistent with the love and compassion of christ.

I did not learn from UU. I do however currently attend UU as a way of sharing my faith with others. So do not assume I learned from UU my faith as I did not.

I find it amusing that I am being accused of having created beliefs and false beliefs for my association with UU currently.I do not go to UU to learn from the bible and no one should go to ANY church to learn from the bible. The bible is to learn from the bible.

I beg to differ, someone who is a mendicant and lives the bible and studies intensely and is a scholar will learn more deeply than someone who studies a bit as you say. There is so much more to the bible than the english translation you read. The original hebrew infers a different meaning on many verses from the english as it went from hebrew to greek to latin THEN to english in which there are dozens of versions of it. Unless you study hebrew you are going to learn things that arent 100% correct such as Jesus' name is NOT jesus nor Iesous (greek/latin version) nor Yahweh (600 AD Jewish Masoretic translation).It is actually Yahshua, Yahushua or Yeshua, we cannot know and there are scholarly arguments for all. Your logic is senseless as by your logic a math student who studies a bit is qualified to teach mathematics as much as someone who obtained a degree in mathematics and this simply isnt so.

Again I do not mean this in arrogance nor do I mean this to say I am right as we could all be wrong. But the reality is that I have spent my entire life studying and Im not going to let others invalidate that for silly reasons.

 

[Isaiah28:7-8]

Tina isnt american but lives in asia.

Asia where?

Asia is an entire continent but irregardless it doesnt change anything Ive said.

Some places in asia are very censored and some are not so I ask.