Bible Study Christians commanded to keep the Sabbath? (7th Day)

[Jay T]

Exd 31:15 Six days may work be done; but in the seventh [is] the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth [any] work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.

Hello Gabbylittleangel:

Glad you pointed a scripture in the "OLD TESTAMENT" out... this is where you MUST go to find out the violation of the Sabbath.

You will NEVER find ANY scriputre in the NEW COVENANT on Sabbath breaking.... because THERE IS NONE!

The New Covenant does not go into detail on any of the commandments, BUT Christ said it Himself........
Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

God (Christ) NEVER changed His sign of relationship with His people.....

20:20 And hallow my sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between me and you, that ye may know that I [am] the LORD your God.

 

[fcs25]

Keeping the Sabbath is under Jewish law not Christian law.The early church [70ad-until now] worshipped on Sunday in order to celibrate Christ resurrection.They did not and never have made Saturday a day of worship.

A little knowledge of history clears up a lot of theological mistakes and private interpertation errors.

 

[John the Baptist]

Keeping the Sabbath is under Jewish law not Christian law.The early church [70ad-until now] worshipped on Sunday in order to celibrate Christ resurrection.They did not and never have made Saturday a day of worship.

A little knowledge of history clears up a lot of theological mistakes and private interpertation errors.

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OK: ETERNAL GOSPEL!! The Sabbath is & was the birthday of creation. Psalms 135:13. No sin, No Jew! I am asking Born Again Christians this question! The ones that have not the carnal mind! If Adam had not sinned the Sabbath would find NO CARNAL MINDS floating around even! In other words, the Sabbath would not even, had ever been given a second thought. It would be as natural as today's ones Born Again heart & mind!!

So in the other 'worlds' where it is twice stated in the Word of the Godhead's EVERLASTING GOSPEL, (of Heb. plural world's) what Day does God tell us that these ones worship God on??

And sure, we see in creation week that the Godhead set the DAY aside as Theirs! And it, the DAY had Their Blessing on it, and it was to be for HOLY USE. Before Sin interred planet earth.

Isaiah 66:22-23
"For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before Me, saith the Lord, so shall your seed and your name remain. And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one Sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before Me, saith the Lord."

No: ALL FLESH means just that! And WORSHIP WILL BE DONE ON THE LORD'S BLESSED AND SET ASIDE SABBATH DAY!

And, yes, the carnal heart ones that find the Lord's 7th day Sabbath 'bondage' here on earth? they will find their self in Obadiah 16's eternity of nothingness, by their freedom of choice. See Gen. 4:7!

---John

 

[SputnikBoy]

Keeping the Sabbath is under Jewish law not Christian law.The early church [70ad-until now] worshipped on Sunday in order to celibrate Christ resurrection.They did not and never have made Saturday a day of worship.

A little knowledge of history clears up a lot of theological mistakes and private interpertation errors.

I'm not exactly sure what you're getting at, fcs25, but the FACTS are that Sunday has NOW replaced the 7th-day Sabbath ...check the definition of the 'Christian Sabbath' in any dictionary. It matters not HOW MANY 1st-Century Christians decided to replace Saturday (the 7th-day) with Sunday (the 1st-day) ...they did so without the authority of God. A knowledge of history, in and of itself, does not somehow apply authority or 'rightness' to a particular custom or practice. The common notion seems to be that as long as 'they' may have done 'so and so' way back in antiquity then they were somehow more inspired to 'do so' than we are today.

There is absolutely no way of getting away from the fact that Sunday has indeed become a 'holy day' implimented not by God but by human beings. Whether the act of NOT ONLY breaking a command but actually REPLACING a command with another is or isn't a major sin, I'm not sure. God DID have a specific aversion to those who worshipped Tammuz the sun-god and sun-worship in general, however. This was destestable to him (Ezekiel 8:14-16). While Christians don't worship a sun-god, the actual day (Sunday) derived its name from this pagan practice of sun-worship so there IS a connection. Indeed, the decree by Constantine to 'officialize' Sunday as a 'holy day' was based on his own religious leanings toward Mithra, the sun-god. So, what we finished up with was a blending of Christianity and sun-worship.

 

[SputnikBoy]

Keeping the Sabbath is under Jewish law not Christian law.

Christian law? Is that the law that demands non-committance from me because any kind of 'effort' would be construed as 'legalism'? Is that the law that would have me sit on my butt in a pew every week and do little else but mouth the words "I believe in Jesus" every so often? (This would apply to both Sunday-keepers AND sabbatarians). Is that the law that has me believing that 'once saved always saved' means that I can do as I please even if it's contrary to the teachings of Jesus?

This, I believe, is the Christian Church of today. Why? Because Christians are taught that the points I made above are the only requirement of the so called New Covenant. This kind of teaching has bred noncommitment and apathy within so many churches today. Christianity is in a state of shambles since the truth is not being taught ...in fact, anything BUT. New Covenant? ...merely sit around and wait for the reward. Jesus has already taken care of it. Have a nice day.

 

[thessalonian]

While Christians don't worship a sun-god, the actual day (Sunday) derived its name from this pagan practice of sun-worship so there IS a connection. Indeed, the decree by Constantine to 'officialize' Sunday as a 'holy day' was based on his own religious leanings toward Mithra, the sun-god. So, what we finished up with was a blending of Christianity and sun-worship.

And it all started with that Paul guy quoting a pagan sage (in him we live and move and have our being) and spouting pagan philosophies about people being the body of God (roman 12, 1 cor 12). Someone else actually pointed out that the virgin birth thing and Noah's ark were pagan as well so maybe paul isn't to blame. Sarcasm out.

Christianity is in a state of shambles since the truth is not being taught ...in fact, anything BUT.

doesn't pack alot of punch from someone who has supported homosexuality on this very forum. :o

 

[John the Baptist]

Just wondering what thread I ventured upon??? Personal attacks of poster's, for or against Paul? And being gay? (not the happy gay :wink I thought that I best add that for clarity in case I am not understood?

Yet, this thread was about the Day that the (3 of the) Godhead Blessed, Set aside, and Sanctified for Holy USE, right??? Genesis 2:2-3

Now, who would want to divert the Sabbath to 'gay' folks???

And Blessed! And SANCTIFIED! For 'Holy Use'! Sure sounds like the devil himself has been active in Daniel 7:25's verse in todays setting

And the Eternal Word of God that does not change?? The same yesterday, today, and FOREVER! God Says!

And then came another Eternal Truth.. "I know that, whatsoever God doeth, it shall be forever: NOTHING CAN BE PUT TO IT, NOR ANYTHING TAKEN FROM IT:.." Eccl. 3:14

And then we read:
--Peter Geiermann, A Doctrinal Catechism, 1957 edition, page 50. "We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday."

Perhaps now we can come back with how wicked I am? Or mean, or that this ABOMINABLE CLAIM is in some way better than that 'other kind' of gay? You know, attempt to change the ETERNAL BLESSING & SANCTIFICATION that the Godhead has Eternally placed upon Their Sabbath Day? See Matthew 12:31-32 & Psalms 19:13 in the K.J. +James 2:8-12

---John

 

[thessalonian]

John,

May God the Father almighy in his infinite love, kindness, and wisdom richly bless you and your family. :P

 

[SputnikBoy]

While Christians don't worship a sun-god, the actual day (Sunday) derived its name from this pagan practice of sun-worship so there IS a connection. Indeed, the decree by Constantine to 'officialize' Sunday as a 'holy day' was based on his own religious leanings toward Mithra, the sun-god. So, what we finished up with was a blending of Christianity and sun-worship.

And it all started with that Paul guy quoting a pagan sage (in him we live and move and have our being) and spouting pagan philosophies about people being the body of God (roman 12, 1 cor 12). Someone else actually pointed out that the virgin birth thing and Noah's ark were pagan as well so maybe paul isn't to blame. Sarcasm out.



[quote:8e81d] Christianity is in a state of shambles since the truth is not being taught ...in fact, anything BUT.

doesn't pack alot of punch from someone who has supported homosexuality on this very forum. :o[/quote:8e81d]

I have never 'supported' homosexuality or heterosexuality for that matter, thess, so thanks for the childish attack. I have no particular convictions about condemning anyone for having been born with a particular sexual orientation and that's that. If you do then that isn't my problem. Do you have anything worthwhile to say about the Sabbath?

 

[John the Baptist]

Do you have anything worthwhile to say about the Sabbath?

Vic, did you read that above post? That sure is a tempting, : but I guess I will pass on that remark as well?

But, how do folks get away with calling 'anyone' homosexuals without documented evidence???

---John

 

[thessalonian]

I never called him a homosexual.

Sput - If I misrepresented your fence sitting on the matter then I apologize.

Did you or did you not cast doudt on Pauls words regarding homosexuality and call in to question whether Jesus would agree with him or not?

 

[thessalonian]

John see Sputty's post halfway down the page here.

http://www.christianforums.net/viewtopi ... sc&start=0

Do you agree with him? I am being totally unfair to him or is it just that I am a Catholic and that makes whatever I say evil?

 

[John the Baptist]

John see Sputty's post halfway down the page here.

http://www.christianforums.net/viewtopi ... sc&start=0

Do you agree with him? I am being totally unfair to him or is it just that I am a Catholic and that makes whatever I say evil?

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As old Ron Reagan would say, there you go again! :wink: (To Walter Mondale I think?) But, are you putting your words in my mouth??? You see, that remark has nothing to signal out Rome alone, huh? 2 Corinthians 4:2

But to your question, actually, you posts come across kind of nice at times. So, is that because you are catholic? Hardly.

But no, personally speaking, I like the truth told all the time, don't you? That is my goal to strive for! Philippians 4:13 And there is nothing wrong with me (or you) saying that I meant it another way, than it was taken, if that is the case? Or even to back/track & have a boo-boo corner, like I have in the past done! :wink:

And no, I think that you can read the post & tell if you were using 2 Corinthians 4:2 or not?

---John

 

[thessalonian]

Someone help me out. Did he answer the questions? :roll:

 

[John the Baptist]

There you go again? And you do not understand the question??? LOOK AT THE POST SUBJECT BELOW! But you want to talk of what? A poster of another thread subject, and homosexuality! That [IS] a Catholic 2 Corinthians 4:2 trait! Change the subject, and attack the person. (now its me, huh! :wink: )
--John


Christians commanded to keep the Sabbath? (7th Day)

 

[thessalonian]

I could point out some of John's off topic posting but then I guess he would accuse me of Catholic tactics and off topic posting again. There ya go again. :roll: John do you ever bring up anyone elses off topic posts or just Catholics? I agree it was tangential to the issue.

I don't really care about this topic as you can go round and round with SDA's and you infinitlely. I just stopped in for a peak.

 

[John the Baptist]

I could point out some of John's off topic posting but then I guess he would accuse me of Catholic tactics and off topic posting again. There ya go again. :roll: John do you ever bring up anyone elses off topic posts or just Catholics? I agree it was tangential to the issue.

Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 1:33 pm Post subject:

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There you go again? And you do not understand the question??? LOOK AT THE POST SUBJECT BELOW! But you want to talk of what? A poster of another thread subject, and homosexuality! That [IS] a Catholic 2 Corinthians 4:2 trait! Change the subject, and attack the person. (now its me, huh! )
--John


Christians commanded to keep the Sabbath? (7th Day)
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Anyway, you are getting back to the thread some, huh? :wink:

But if one was really 'Born Again' sharp! like just being created, as was Adam, we would have caught another 'correct' angle to this thread of...

Christians commanded to keep the Sabbath? (7th Day)

... and would keenly observed that it would say that Christians were 'created' to 'lovingly' keep God's Sabbath! :wink: You know, Christ stated it simply after one is re/created, or Born Again, that "If ye Love Me, Keep My Commandments". :fadein:

Whose Commandments? Your Revelation 12:17 verse of course comes at us in APOCALYPSE 12:17 "... Who keep the commandments of God, and hold fast the testimony of Jesus."

But, notice what you are here again doing..

"I don't really care about this topic as you can go round and round with SDA's and you infinitlely. I just stopped in for a peak."

You say absolutely nothing about the Lord's Seventh-day Sabbath, but do add the remark about the SDA's 'and you'?? :fadein:
Now go ask Victor if I only get after the Mother of Harlots false teachings?
And surely, you had observed my postings in Bible Studies on Matthew 4:4.

---John

 

[Jay T]

Keeping the Sabbath is under Jewish law not Christian law.

Christian law? Is that the law that demands non-committance from me because any kind of 'effort' would be construed as 'legalism'?

Satan wants the Christian world to believe, that it is 'legalism' to obey what Jesus has said to do.

Is that the law that would have me sit on my butt in a pew every week and do little else but mouth the words "I believe in Jesus" every so often? (This would apply to both Sunday-keepers AND sabbatarians). Is that the law that has me believing that 'once saved always saved' means that I can do as I please even if it's contrary to the teachings of Jesus?

Satan will always use those tactics against Christians, that have succeeded so well in the past !

This, I believe, is the Christian Church of today. Why? Because Christians are taught that the points I made above are the only requirement of the so called New Covenant. This kind of teaching has bred noncommitment and apathy within so many churches today. Christianity is in a state of shambles since the truth is not being taught ...in fact, anything BUT. New Covenant? ...merely sit around and wait for the reward. Jesus has already taken care of it. Have a nice day.

Illegal Christians are in every church.

 

[SputnikBoy]

Keeping the Sabbath is under Jewish law not Christian law.

Christian law? Is that the law that demands non-committance from me because any kind of 'effort' would be construed as 'legalism'?

Satan wants the Christian world to believe, that it is 'legalism' to obey what Jesus has said to do.

Is that the law that would have me sit on my butt in a pew every week and do little else but mouth the words "I believe in Jesus" every so often? (This would apply to both Sunday-keepers AND sabbatarians). Is that the law that has me believing that 'once saved always saved' means that I can do as I please even if it's contrary to the teachings of Jesus?

Satan will always use those tactics against Christians, that have succeeded so well in the past ![quote:37591]
This, I believe, is the Christian Church of today. Why? Because Christians are taught that the points I made above are the only requirement of the so called New Covenant. This kind of teaching has bred noncommitment and apathy within so many churches today. Christianity is in a state of shambles since the truth is not being taught ...in fact, anything BUT. New Covenant? ...merely sit around and wait for the reward. Jesus has already taken care of it. Have a nice day.

Illegal Christians are in every church.[/quote:37591]

Yes, Jay T. I need to be very careful that I don't imply for one second that SDAs or other sabbatarians are immune from my above comments. Thanks for pointing that out!

 

[John the Baptist]

Keeping the Sabbath is under Jewish law not Christian law.

Christian law? Is that the law that demands non-committance from me because any kind of 'effort' would be construed as 'legalism'?

Satan wants the Christian world to believe, that it is 'legalism' to obey what Jesus has said to do.

Is that the law that would have me sit on my butt in a pew every week and do little else but mouth the words "I believe in Jesus" every so often? (This would apply to both Sunday-keepers AND sabbatarians). Is that the law that has me believing that 'once saved always saved' means that I can do as I please even if it's contrary to the teachings of Jesus?

Satan will always use those tactics against Christians, that have succeeded so well in the past ![quote:13ed9]
This, I believe, is the Christian Church of today. Why? Because Christians are taught that the points I made above are the only requirement of the so called New Covenant. This kind of teaching has bred noncommitment and apathy within so many churches today. Christianity is in a state of shambles since the truth is not being taught ...in fact, anything BUT. New Covenant? ...merely sit around and wait for the reward. Jesus has already taken care of it. Have a nice day.

Illegal Christians are in every church.

Yes, Jay T. I need to be very careful that I don't imply for one second that SDAs or other sabbatarians are immune from my above comments. Thanks for pointing that out![/quote:13ed9]

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Just more of 2 Corinthians 4:2 stuff with Bolder knowledge from Luke 12:47-48 is seen, is all. In Laodicea (wheat & tare) 'immunity' is not the Thought. The percentage of Love for Christ is! And it is not the wheat & tares that are the concept here! but that of OPENLY DOCUMENTED PERMITTED FLAGRANT SIN that is not even attempted to get addressed! And according to Christ's Word, the PARTAKER is all of the membership who are supporting this in both tithes & offerings + being in 'yoked membership'.

And then here comes more of the 2 Corinthians 4:2 devils 'crafty' 'deceitfull' stuff above, along with others saying that there is an Remnant [inside] the Remnant! And that too is the devil's trite, there is an Remnant OUTSIDE of the Spewed out ex/remnant! Matthew 25:1-10 with a 'Closed door'. (of verse 10)

---John