Growth Contemporary Judaizers

[netchaplain]

The Torah is the first 5 books of the Bible and the commandments they contain. Do you claim that they are not divine in origin? Should God's commandments not be followed?

Not that I want to usurp anything over you, but I also wanted to point out that you should try to avoid accusations ("You might want to think about that yourself"), as they are never conducive to truth, but rather contention. Frustration from sharing our beliefs and learning from one another is something we all encounter, but need to avoid wrongful responses (2 Tim 2:24).

The following of God's will could only be done by those of Hebrew and Jewish descent during the Law dispensation, until the Coming of Christ, and now can be done by all, but not the same way as before; now by "a new and living way" (Heb 10:20).

God's blessings to your Family!

 

[Sparkey]

The rules of the forum do not prohibit debate. That being said, the purpose of the forum brings our focus on Scripture, not each other.

Earlier an ADMIN pointed out that it was getting too personal (it was going in that direction for a moment or two) -- this discussion needs to remain fixed on the Word of God and yes, Scripture does speak of Judaism and Judiazers. Perhaps we might start by trying to agree about what the discussion and terms mean so we might better focus our concerns.

netchaplain the OP may want to contribute his definition of "Contemporary Judaizer". My thought is that a derogatory term used for a Christian who is being criticized for having placed too much emphasis on Jewish customs. For example a "Judiazer" might insist male babies need to be circumcised 8 days after their birth to be saved.

I'm not at all certain that this topic was started as a discussion about Spirit of the Law or even Grace vs. Law but will let netchaplain correct me in that if I didn't understand. Also, if anybody wants to create a thread in the Apologetics and Theology forum, of course they may.

 

[jasoncran]

Judaism is living by the Mosaic Law. This is why the phrase Judeo-Christian is a false term (which most still misunderstand), as it attempts the admixture of Judaism and Christianity, which is an evidence of a lack of comprehending the full meaning of Law and Grace. This is not due to willful error but rather to unknowingly misunderstanding the subjects, which are two separate systems, one of which has been "taken away" from the earth (Heb 9:8; 10:9, 20) (Judaism--old dispensation to Israel only / Christianity--new dispensation to all).

One can understand grace enough concerning forgiveness by Christ's atonement, but the comprehension of grace concerning its liberation from sin's dominion is yet to be sufficient among the general Christians of today. This problem is even among well learned Bible students and scholars, but is gradually being understood more all the time as believers choose to "draw near to God."

you are talking to a messianic jew, im familiar with them but I don't all that they do. it is a sin to what to study and worship as the Hebrews did within limits of grace? are you ,God? I was told by a pastor to start in john with the bible. God said , No, read genesis, You are a jew that is YOUR origin, where you come from. since then with a break I have leanings towards what messianic jews do. the lord restrains me from leaving my church and going that way, it also would take a ton of discipline and there are greater things in the law, which is called tzaddik. that is the giving too the poor and such like. those should be more important then the other side of the law. its up there next to mercy.

 

[netchaplain]

netchaplain, the OP may want to contribute his definition of "Contemporary Judaizer". My thought is that a derogatory term used for a Christian who is being criticized for having placed too much emphasis on Jewish customs. For example a "Judiazer" might insist male babies need to be circumcised 8 days after their birth to be saved.

Hi SH - The article is non-derogatory because it's not from an antinomian source. Its concept points out the same problem Paul was dealing with concerning new Christian Jews who were not yet familiar with Paul's teachings about the new dispensation which Christ has brought about, which He established after fulfilling and ending the prior dispensation.

[Edited by Sparrowhawke]

 

[Sparkey]

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