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So, if I understand you correctly, you are fine with this violent past, and future [Revelation]?



So, the plan of salvation can be shown to be unethical, yet you're fine with this?

1 Corinthians 1:18-25

For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 19 For it is written:

“I will destroy the wisdom of the wise;
the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate.â€[c]

20 Where is the wise person? Where is the teacher of the law? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? 21 For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe. 22 Jews demand signs and Greeks look for wisdom, 23 but we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles, 24 but to those whom God has called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. 25 For the foolishness of God is wiser than human wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than human strength.
 
So, then on some level, there are things about god that ARE foolish or weak? :chin

I know these verses well, as I was a christian for around 30 years of my life. They don't answer my questions. It has nothing to do with my "wisdom or intelligence". I was inquiring as to how a person is considered "wicked" when they are unable to believe that which someone else tells them they must believe, when there is no evidence to support it. "Faith" and "belief" are slippery slopes. Other belief structures require the same [faith and belief], have similarly pious supporters, would state that their way is the only way to god, yet are called "wrong" by other belief structures who believe that THEY are following the right path.

Is it "foolish" of a person to require more than the words of another human being when it comes to this serious of decision?
 
So, then on some level, there are things about god that ARE foolish or weak? :chin

It's an allegory. ;)

I know these verses well, as I was a christian for around 30 years of my life. They don't answer my questions. It has nothing to do with my "wisdom or intelligence". I was inquiring as to how a person is considered "wicked" when they are unable to believe that which someone else tells them they must believe, when there is no evidence to support it. "Faith" and "belief" are slippery slopes. Other belief structures require the same [faith and belief], have similarly pious supporters, would state that their way is the only way to god, yet are called "wrong" by other belief structures who believe that THEY are following the right path.

James 4:2b-3
"....You do not have, because you do not ask. 3You ask and do not receive, because you ask(B) wrongly, to spend it on your passions."

Is it "foolish" of a person to require more than the words of another human being when it comes to this serious of decision?

That's not what this verse says at all. It said nothing along those lines.
 
It's an allegory. ;)

Yes. . . . . . . seems to be a LOT of that in there, does it.

James 4:2b-3
"....You do not have, because you do not ask. 3You ask and do not receive, because you ask(B) wrongly, to spend it on your passions."

So, if I understand your including of this verse, you feel as though my years of prayer were done incorrectly? Is this the same as "you were never actually saved to begin with"? If so, then this discussion ends here.

That's not what this verse says at all. It said nothing along those lines.

I'm not interested in what the verse states when I ask, "Is it 'foolish' of a person to require more than the words of another human being when it comes to this serious of decision?" I was addressing it to those reading the question, and for them to answer it, to the best of their ability, with their own mind/thoughts.
 
Yes. . . . . . . seems to be a LOT of that in there, does it.

Yes, it's quite beautiful.

So, if I understand your including of this verse, you feel as though my years of prayer were done incorrectly? Is this the same as "you were never actually saved to begin with"? If so, then this discussion ends here.

No, if you are unable to believe, then ask for God to make you a believer.

I'm not interested in what the verse states when I ask, "Is it 'foolish' of a person to require more than the words of another human being when it comes to this serious of decision?" I was addressing it to those reading the question, and for them to answer it, to the best of their ability, with their own mind/thoughts.

The answer is: No.
 
Yes, every word from the OT to the NT is the absolute Word of God, but Christianity started in the NT. The reason God sent Jesus to die on the Cross for our sins is so we are no longer bound by the 613 laws of the OT (except the 10 commandments). It's called the "New Covenant" - a paradigm shift in covenant from the OT.

Why God needs to send someone to die for our sins though he can forgive us without sending anyone

2 Chronicles 7:14 (New International Version)

14 if my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land.

[KJV][Chr2.6.30][Then hear thou from heaven thy dwelling place, and forgive, and render unto every man according unto all his ways, whose heart thou knowest; (for thou only knowest the hearts of the children of men
 
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Why God needs to send someone to die for our sins though he can forgive us without sending anyone


This was already clearly prophecized in the OT starting in Genesis 3, and had been God's plan all along.
 
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So, if I understand you correctly, you are fine with this violent past, and future [Revelation]?


If we don't taste bitterness, we won't appreciate sweetness ; if we don't experience harsh realities of life, we won't understand the grace and love of God.




So, the plan of salvation [believing something, Jesus as savior, that has no proof, based upon ancient writings] can be shown to be unethical [punishing those who require more than the words of someone else], yet you're fine with this?


What's wrong with believing history? The crucifixion, death and resurrection of Jesus was witnessed by hundreds of first-hand eye witnesseses, and his life, teachings and miracles were also testified by thousands. This isn't a religion that is based upon the words of a one-man account. I'm sure you have no problems believing in secular history, geography or Science books, so why doubt the history book of God ?
 
The Quran Dehumanizes Non-Muslims
and Says that They are Vile Animals

The Ayatollah Khomeini, who dedicated his entire life to studying Islam, said that non-Muslims rank somewhere between "feces" and the "sweat of a camel that has consumed impure food." Small wonder. The Quran dehumanizes non-Muslims, describing them as “animals†and beasts:

Those who reject (Truth), among the People of the Book and among the Polytheists, will be in Hell-Fire, to dwell therein (for aye). They are the worst of creatures. (98:6)

Surely the vilest of animals in Allah's sight are those who disbelieve, then they would not believe. (8:55)

Verse 7:176 compares unbelievers to "panting dogs" with regard to their idiocy and worthlessness. Verse 7:179 says they are like "cattle" only worse.

Verse 5:60 even says that Allah transformed Jews of the past into apes and pigs. This is echoed by verses 7:166 and 2:65.

A hadith says that Muhammad believed rats to be "mutated Jews" (Bukhari 54:524, also confirmed by Sahih Muslim 7135 and 7136).

Verses 46:29-35 even say that unbelieving men are worse than demons who believe in Muhammad.

According to Islamic law, non-Muslims may be owned as property by Muslims, but - in keeping with Islam's supremacist message - a fellow Muslim should never be (unless they convert to Islam after enslavement). Even Christians and Jews are not considered fully human in that the penalty for killing one of them is limited to one-third of the compensation due for unintentionally killing a Muslim.

The Quran Says that Allah does NOT Love Unbelievers

Christianity teaches that God loves all people, but hates sin. The Quran never says this. Instead it explicitly declares that Allah does not love those who do not believe in him:

He does not love the unbelievers (30:45)

Allah only loves those who obey Muhammad (at least according to Muhammad, who provided the "narration"):

Say: "Obey Allah and His Messenger": But if they turn back, Allah loveth not those who reject Faith. (3:32)

Instead of a god that loves the sinner, even while hating the sin, the wrath of Allah is placed squarely on the individual:

Surely Allah does not love any one who is unfaithful, ungrateful. (22:38)

Verses 11:118-199 say that Allah does not bestow mercy on everyone. For this reason, he chooses not to guide some people:

And Allah's is the direction of the way, and some (roads) go not straight. And had He willed He would have led you all aright. (16:9)

For those whom Allah does not love, there will be the most terrible of eternal torments, including eternal roasting:

Those who reject our Signs, We shall soon cast into the Fire: as often as their skins are roasted through, We shall change them for fresh skins, that they may taste the penalty: for Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise. (4:56)

"Allah is the enemy of the unbelievers" (2:98) and, as we shall see, he hates them so much that he even leads them into sinning and actively prevents them from believing in him, thus ensuring their fate.

The Quran Says that People of Other Religions
are to be Violently Punished in This World

Allah himself fights against the unbelievers (9:30), so why should Muslims not fight in his cause rather than in the cause of evil (4:76)? About 19% of the Quran is devoted to the violent conquest and subjugation of non-Muslims:

Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies of Allah and your enemies and others besides, whom ye may not know (8:60)

Strive hard (Jihad) against the Unbelievers and the Hypocrites, and be firm against them. Their abode is Hell,- an evil refuge indeed. (66:9, See also 9:73)

Muslims are to expect a reward in this life as well as the next (4:134), so it makes sense that unbelievers should be punished in this life as well:

…He whom Allah sendeth astray, for him there is no guide. For them is a penalty in the life of this world, but harder, truly, is the penalty of the Hereafter… (13:33:34)

All beings on heaven and earth will be forced to bow down to Allah, either willingly or by force:

And unto Allah falleth prostrate whosoever is in the heavens and the earth, willingly or unwillingly (13:15)

Those who resist Islam will be humiliated:

Those who resist Allah and His Messenger will be among those most humiliated. (58:20 - The context for this verse is the eviction of the Jewish tribes of Medina and the confiscation of their wealth, land, and children by Muhammad).

Non-Muslims are to be fought until religion is only for Allah:

And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is all for Allah… (8:39 – “Persecution†in this context means resistance to Islam – defined in the prior verse as an unwillingness to believe (see verse 38). This passage was “revealed†following a battle that Muhammad deliberately provoked. Verse 2:193 essentially says the same thing and was also “revealed†at a time when the Muslims were not under physical attack).

Those with "diseased hearts" - which include Christians and Jews according to 5:52 - are to be "seized wherever found and slain with a (fierce) slaughter" (33:60-62) along with "hypocrites" (Muslims who are judged not to be true believers by their associations with unbelievers or their unwillingness to engage in Jihad).

Non-Muslims are to be encroached on and pressured by the Muslims:

See they not that We gradually reduce the land (in their control) from its outlying borders? (13:41 - See also 21:44)

And He made you heirs to their land and their dwellings and their property, and (to) a land which you have not yet trodden, and Allah has power over all things. (33:27, See also Bukhari 53:392)

Allah will grant Muslims authority and power over all other people:

Allah has promised, to those among you who believe and work righteous deeds, that He will, of a surety, grant them in the land, inheritance (of power), as He granted it to those before them; that He will establish in authority their religion... (24:55)
(Muhammad's companions continued to self-fulfill this prophecy with an aggressive and senseless military expansion that left a trail of bodies from Spain to India).

Allah provides instructions to Muslims for dealing with unbelievers who are unwilling to accept Islamic rule:

Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instill terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them." This because they contended against Allah and His Messenger: If any contend against Allah and His Messenger, Allah is strict in punishment. (8:12-13)

Other verses of violence may be found here.

Remember that the Quran says that not all men are equal in Islam. This also applies to Muslims themselves with regard to their aggressiveness toward unbelievers. Those who kill or are killed on behalf of Islam are more pleasing to Allah:

Not equal are those of the believers who sit at home... and those who strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah with their wealth and lives" (4:95)



The Ayatollah Khomeini

First of all, Khomeni doesn't represent the view of all the Muslims . He is from the Shi'a and we reject their sayings and principles
 
This is the motto or the logo that we used to hear from christians. that god loves you and jesus loves you .....etc

It's really a trick and it's just a way to deceive people.
In the bible it's mentioned:

But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them—bring them here and kill them in front of me.

Luke 19 : 27


Perfect example of distortion / misunderstanding of the Bible !

Jesus often spoke in parables and metaphors. Physical death for unbelievers in the parable represents spiritual death in reality. This judgement will come after Jesus returns and rewards believers at the Second Coming. He will then slay His enemies.


JOHN 5:22
For the Father judges no one, but has committed ALL judgment to the Son ...
 
Even though he distorts the Bible just like Ayatolla Khomeini ! .... :adore

Yeah but you can tell he's a pup.

Lolz.....Mugen.....what a cute little name.


images
<<<<<< Mugen. :)
 
let's see whoes the real dog from the bible :study


(KJV)(Matthew)(Mt-15-22)(And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil.)

(KJV)(Matthew)(Mt-15-23)(But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us.)

(KJV)(Matthew)(Mt-15-24)(But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.)

(KJV)(Matthew)(Mt-15-25)(Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me.)

(KJV)(Matthew)(Mt-15-26)(But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs.)

(KJV)(Matthew)(Mt-15-27)(And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters' table.)
 
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