Could Mecca Be Mystery Babylon?

[jasoncran]

ok, hal Lindsey? I don't listen to him. "88 reason for Christ to come in 88" I remember that. I wasn't saved then. so I don't bother when him. van impe, or even tim lahaye.

 

[Edward]

There is a majority of Jews that are not the remnant. There is a majority of professing Christians who sample Scripture, or church, who are not the remnant. Christ made clear to make every effort to stay the narrow course to the narrow way to him.

Agreed. In academic fairness to jasons viewpoint, scripture identifies the "sits on many waters" to being peoples of many nations and languages etc., and in considering Gods promise to Abraham to multiply his seed so abundantly (an consequently scattering them...) That part would fit and may indeed be analogous to his view...what do you think brother Barth?

Still looking for scripture from sinthesis...

 

[Barth Jones]

ok, hal Lindsey? I don't listen to him. "88 reason for Christ to come in 88" I remember that. I wasn't saved then. so I don't bother when him. van impe, or even tim lahaye.

Yeah, I was 19.

 

[jasoncran]

it kinda makes me wonder if they actually have a grip, yet he still sells books etc.

 

[Barth Jones]

Agreed. In academic fairness to jasons viewpoint, scripture identifies the "sits on many waters" to being peoples of many nations and languages etc., and in considering Gods promise to Abraham to multiply his seed so abundantly (an consequently scattering them...) That part would fit and may indeed be analogous to his view...what do you think brother Barth?

Still looking for scripture from sinthesis...

Not at all a valid analogy. No matter what human mind suggests, there is a fine line drawn in Scripture. There is the complete context of Scripture. Taken together, with Christ, the living Word, we have his everlasting gospel, the cornerstone of truth.

 

[Edward]

I was 14. I like Hal Lindsey and have read at least most of his books. I do understand (and would hope that others do too), that no man, even a good man, is infallible. Even the best of Pastors may have some incorrectness in their teachings. It doesn't (shouldn't) mean oh he's a heretic, never listen to anything he says...Which is why we are instructed by scripture and good pastors to search the scriptures for ourselves. Do our own homework and praying and not to take any man's word as 'gospel'.

 

[Edward]

Not at all a valid analogy. No matter what human mind suggests, there is a fine line drawn in Scripture. There is the complete context of Scripture. Taken together, with Christ, the living Word, we have his everlasting gospel, the cornerstone of truth.

Touche' Brother. As I clicked post, that occured to me. It has to be congruous with all relevant scripture. Very good point.

 

[Barth Jones]

Perhaps more ornery now than our infamous tongue, is the thumb!

 

[turnorburn]

The Roman Empire in Jesus day..

tob

 

[Deborah13]

I agree. But uh, even if Mecca is 99.9% Islam, surely even now His voice and through the Bride also (believers), Christ is being spoken there. For we do know, that God is not willing that any should perish.

These scriptures are the only scriptures where I could find "the voice of the bridegroom".

Jer_7:34 Then will I cause to cease from the cities of Judah, and from the streets of Jerusalem, the voice of mirth, and the voice of gladness, the voice of the bridegroom, and the voice of the bride: for the land shall be desolate.
Jer_16:9 For thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Behold, I will cause to cease out of this place in your eyes, and in your days, the voice of mirth, and the voice of gladness, the voice of the bridegroom, and the voice of the bride.
Jer_25:10 Moreover I will take from them the voice of mirth, and the voice of gladness, the voice of the bridegroom, and the voice of the bride, the sound of the millstones, and the light of the candle.
Jer_33:11 The voice of joy, and the voice of gladness, the voice of the bridegroom, and the voice of the bride, the voice of them that shall say, Praise the LORD of hosts: for the LORD is good; for his mercy endureth for ever: and of them that shall bring the sacrifice of praise into the house of the LORD. For I will cause to return the captivity of the land, as at the first, saith the LORD.

Each one of these scriptures in Jeremiah are speaking about the nation of Israel.

Joh_3:29 He that hath the bride is the bridegroom: but the friend of the bridegroom, which standeth and heareth him, rejoiceth greatly because of the bridegroom's voice: this my joy therefore is fulfilled.
This scripture is in a different context.

Rev_18:23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.

So if we let scripture interpret scripture, I cannot see how this city, Mystery Babylon can be speaking of anyone except Jerusalem. ?

 

[jasoncran]

Babylon and it being that known would imply a one world language. not even English has that status.

 

[Edward]

These scriptures are the only scriptures where I could find "the voice of the bridegroom".

Jer_7:34 Then will I cause to cease from the cities of Judah, and from the streets of Jerusalem, the voice of mirth, and the voice of gladness, the voice of the bridegroom, and the voice of the bride: for the land shall be desolate.
Jer_16:9 For thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Behold, I will cause to cease out of this place in your eyes, and in your days, the voice of mirth, and the voice of gladness, the voice of the bridegroom, and the voice of the bride.
Jer_25:10 Moreover I will take from them the voice of mirth, and the voice of gladness, the voice of the bridegroom, and the voice of the bride, the sound of the millstones, and the light of the candle.
Jer_33:11 The voice of joy, and the voice of gladness, the voice of the bridegroom, and the voice of the bride, the voice of them that shall say, Praise the LORD of hosts: for the LORD is good; for his mercy endureth for ever: and of them that shall bring the sacrifice of praise into the house of the LORD. For I will cause to return the captivity of the land, as at the first, saith the LORD.

Each one of these scriptures in Jeremiah are speaking about the nation of Israel.

Joh_3:29 He that hath the bride is the bridegroom: but the friend of the bridegroom, which standeth and heareth him, rejoiceth greatly because of the bridegroom's voice: this my joy therefore is fulfilled.
This scripture is in a different context.

Rev_18:23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.

So if we let scripture interpret scripture, I cannot see how this city, Mystery Babylon can be speaking of anyone except Jerusalem. ?

I'm going to ponder this one...

(LOL Barth! true.)

Babylon and it being that known would imply a one world language. not even English has that status.

No, but the Web does, doesn't it, brother? We have more foreigners than ever participating on Christian sites at this time. There is a lot of instant translation available and many are availing themselves of it.

 

[Barth Jones]

These scriptures are the only scriptures where I could find "the voice of the bridegroom".

Jer_7:34 Then will I cause to cease from the cities of Judah, and from the streets of Jerusalem, the voice of mirth, and the voice of gladness, the voice of the bridegroom, and the voice of the bride: for the land shall be desolate.
Jer_16:9 For thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Behold, I will cause to cease out of this place in your eyes, and in your days, the voice of mirth, and the voice of gladness, the voice of the bridegroom, and the voice of the bride.
Jer_25:10 Moreover I will take from them the voice of mirth, and the voice of gladness, the voice of the bridegroom, and the voice of the bride, the sound of the millstones, and the light of the candle.
Jer_33:11 The voice of joy, and the voice of gladness, the voice of the bridegroom, and the voice of the bride, the voice of them that shall say, Praise the LORD of hosts: for the LORD is good; for his mercy endureth for ever: and of them that shall bring the sacrifice of praise into the house of the LORD. For I will cause to return the captivity of the land, as at the first, saith the LORD.

Each one of these scriptures in Jeremiah are speaking about the nation of Israel.

Joh_3:29 He that hath the bride is the bridegroom: but the friend of the bridegroom, which standeth and heareth him, rejoiceth greatly because of the bridegroom's voice: this my joy therefore is fulfilled.
This scripture is in a different context.

Rev_18:23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.

So if we let scripture interpret scripture, I cannot see how this city, Mystery Babylon can be speaking of anyone except Jerusalem. ?

Not at all true! Listen to what you are saying!

No! The bride is the church, whose voice, the gospel, resounds even in Babylon! Before Babylon's destruction the church will be removed for her marriage to Christ! Her voice will not be heard anymore in Babylon (nor Babylon's own lying prophets); Babylon consequently will quickly fall to her destruction!

 

[Deborah13]

Not at all true! Listen to what you are saying!

No! The bride is the church, whose voice, the gospel, resounds even in Babylon! Before Babylon's destruction the church will be removed for her marriage to Christ! Her voice will not be heard anymore in Babylon (nor Babylon's own lying prophets); Babylon consequently will quickly fall to her destruction!

Did I say that the Church was Not the bride of Christ? Of coarse, the Church, the Body of Christ is the Bride along with all the OT saints, at least that is my understanding.
Is the Church in Babylon or is the Church Babylon? no.

I am talking about Mystery Babylon, not the New Jerusalem.

 

[Deborah13]

Agreed. In academic fairness to jasons viewpoint, scripture identifies the "sits on many waters" to being peoples of many nations and languages etc., and in considering Gods promise to Abraham to multiply his seed so abundantly (an consequently scattering them...) That part would fit and may indeed be analogous to his view...what do you think brother Barth?

Still looking for scripture from sinthesis...

Edward, who is Abraham's seed/Seed?

 

[Sinthesis]

They did, didn't they?! They did.
I have never heard that Jerusalem is Babylon though. What are you basing that on? Scriptures please. I'm willing to consider it and take a look see...

Jerusalem is not Babylon. Rather, the Jerusalem of Revelation so closely resembled the Babylon of Jeremiah that it was referred to as Babylon (also Egypt and Sodom) as a warning. Read Jeremiah 50 and 51 before reading Revelation. Then consider Matt 16:23 with regards to whom Jesus was speaking, and how He addressed him.

 

[Deborah13]

Jerusalem is not Babylon. Rather, the Jerusalem of Revelation so closely resembled the Babylon of Jeremiah that it was referred to as Babylon (also Egypt and Sodom) as a warning. Read Jeremiah 50 and 51 before reading Revelation. Then consider Matt 16:23 with regards to whom Jesus was speaking, and how He addressed him.

I agree.
You explain things better!

 

[Barth Jones]

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Jerusalem is not Babylon. Rather, the Jerusalem of Revelation so closely resembled the Babylon of Jeremiah that it was referred to as Babylon (also Egypt and Sodom) as a warning. Read Jeremiah 50 and 51 before reading Revelation. Then consider Matt 16:23 with regards to whom Jesus was speaking, and how He addressed him.

Thank you Sinthesis.

 

[reba]

Sinthesis This is showing up in the study in Isaiah

 

[Edward]

Edward, who is Abraham's seed/Seed?

All of his descendants. Probably all of the Jews around the world. It was said his seed would be multiplied innumerable so it almost has to be them. I guess, a loose guess, lol.