Covid Vaccine, a Gospel imperative

[Drew]

The CDC has already shown the vaccine to be dangerous.

This is a profoundly misleading statement and borders on an outright falsehood.

I know you are in control here and have the power to ban people.

But you need to be held to account for such a dangerous untruth.

You can try to argue that since some people do die and get very sick from the vaccine, they are "dangerous".

But you have to know yours is a profoundly misleading statement - the risks are very low and, importantly, much lower than those posed by the vaccine.

 

[JLB]

People fool themselves into thinking they are in a better position to make decisions than experts

My point exactly!!!


Now that the “experts” have concluded that the vaccine causes Myocarditis, a condition that weakens your heart so that the rest of your body doesn't get enough blood. Clots can form in your heart, leading to a stroke or heart attack.



My question remains to you —


Why are you recklessly giving potentially fatal medical advice to the people of this Forum?


Do you claim to know better than the “experts” at the CDC?





JLB

 

[JLB]

This is a profoundly misleading statement and borders on an outright falsehood.

I know you are in control here and have the power to ban people.

But you need to be held to account for such a dangerous untruth.

You can try to argue that since some people do die and get very sick from the vaccine, they are "dangerous".

But you have to know yours is a profoundly misleading statement - the risks are very low and, importantly, much lower than those posed by the vaccine.

This information come directly from the CDC, and we all see that I provided a link to it.


Makes no sense.


https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/different-vaccines/Pfizer-BioNTech.html


Copied and pasted DIRECTLY FROM THE CDC. —

CDC Monitoring Reports of Myocarditis and Pericarditis
CDC has received increased reports of myocarditis and pericarditisin adolescents and young adults after COVID-19 vaccination. The known and potential benefits of COVID-19 vaccination outweigh the known and potential risks, including the possible risk of myocarditis or pericarditis.

Myocarditis is an inflammation of the heart muscle (myocardium). The inflammation can reduce your heart's ability to pump and cause rapid or abnormal heart rhythms (arrhythmias).

Infection with a virus usually causes myocarditis. Sometimes myocarditis can result from a reaction to a drug or be part of a more general inflammatory condition. Signs and symptoms include chest pain, fatigue, shortness of breath, and rapid or irregular heartbeats.

Severe myocarditis weakens your heart so that the rest of your body doesn't get enough blood. Clots can form in your heart, leading to a stroke or heart attack.



Pericarditis is swelling and irritation of the thin, saclike tissue surrounding your heart (pericardium). Pericarditis often causes sharp chest pain and sometimes other symptoms. The chest pain occurs when the irritated layers of the pericardium rub against each other.

Pericarditis is usually mild and goes away without treatment. Treatment for more-severe cases may include medications and, rarely, surgery. Early diagnosis and treatment may help reduce the risk of long-term complications from pericarditis.



These are the facts straight from the CDC.


My question remains to you —


Why are you recklessly giving potentially fatal medical advice to the people of this Forum?


Do you claim to know better than the “experts” at the CDC?





JLB

 

[JLB]

I know you are in control here and have the power to ban people.

Nope.

 

[Drew]

This information come directly from the CDC, and we all see that I provided a link to it.

You are misleading people, and dangerously so.

We all know that the vaccine can kill and harm! This is not news.

What needs to be made clear, though, is that, when compared to the risks of not getting the vaccine, there is no debate - it is better to get vaccinated.

Surely you know that the risks of severe side-effects from the vaccine are miniscule. Not zero, I grant, but very small, relatively speaking.

 

[JLB]

We all know that the vaccine can kill and harm! This is not news.

Then why are you promoting that everyone must take this potentially harmful vaccine if the person is perfectly healthy?


You expect people who are healthy to receive and injection that could kill them, because the Government and Big Pharma are pushing this agenda?


Why would you do that?




JLB

 

[hawkman]

Again, this is not really debatable - the experts recommend the vaccines.

I wonder how the experts felt that recommended the swine flu vaccine ?

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2009-apr-27-sci-swine-history27-story.html

 

[JLB]

You are misleading people, and dangerously so.

I have given information directly from the CDC.

Who Should NOT Get Vaccinated

• If you have had a severe allergic reaction (anaphylaxis) or an immediate allergic reaction, even if it was not severe, to any ingredient in an mRNA COVID-19 vaccine (such as polyethylene glycol), you should not get either of the mRNA COVID-19 vaccines.
• If you had a severe or immediate allergic reaction after getting the first dose of an mRNA COVID-19 vaccine, you should not get a second dose of either of the mRNA COVID-19 vaccines.
• A severe allergic reaction is one that needs to be treated with epinephrine or EpiPen or with medical care. Learn about common side effects of COVID-19 vaccines and when to call a doctor.
• An immediate allergic reaction means a reaction within 4 hours of exposure, including symptoms such as hives, swelling, or wheezing (respiratory distress).

If you aren’t able to get an mRNA COVID-19 vaccine, you may still be able to get a different type of COVID-19 vaccine. Get more information for people with allergies.





Stop misrepresenting me and what I say.


Why are you giving dangerous medical advice to people?


Do you have evidence of what is in each vaccine by each company that provides it.


There are several. Each one is different.

Which one is safe? Which one is harmful?


Please be honest enough to answer these important questions.






JLB

 

[WIP]

I wonder if agencies like the CDC, the FDA, the pharmaceutical companies that manufacture them, or the doctors that promote them can be held accountable if someone is harmed by the vaccines or does the FDA's emergency use authorization exempt them from liability.

 

[jaybo]

Almost everyone has a choice: 1) receive one of the COVID-19 vaccines and thereby lessen (by a huge margin) the chances of getting very, very sick, going to the hospital for potentially a long time, and perhaps dying or 2) believing somehow that you're lucky and will survive the worst health crisis in a century. The choice should be obvious, just as it is for measles, mumps, rubella, chicken pox, polio, tetanus, shingles, pneumonia, and others.

For goodness sake people, get vaccinated!

 

[WIP]

Almost everyone has a choice: 1) receive one of the COVID-19 vaccines and thereby lessen (by a huge margin) the chances of getting very, very sick, going to the hospital for potentially a long time, and perhaps dying or believing somehow that you won't be infected or 2) believing somehow that you're lucky and will survive the worst health crisis in a century. The choice should be obvious, just as it is for measles, mumps, rubella, chicken pox, polio, tetanus, shingles, pneumonia, and others.

Actually, statistically it is more accurate to say "believing somehow that you will be hospitalized and/or survive." First, according to the CDC, it is estimated that approximately 36.6% or just over 1/3 of the US population has been infected during February 2020 - May 2021. Of those infected, about 5% (6.2M out of 120.2M infections) required hospitalization and about .006% (767K of the 120.2M) died. This means that if I get infected (about 1 in 3 chance) there's about a 95% chance I will not require hospitalization and a 99.994% chance that I would survive.

 

[Drew]

Yeah, I don’t know why all the worry from people that received the vaccination. If they get Covid, it’s very mild which shows just how effective the vaccine is at preventing serious illness.

I agree. But there are still reasons for the vaccinated to promote vaccination in others:

1. The more unvaccinated people there are, the more the chance that a variant will arise against which my vaccine won't protect me from serious disease.
2. Needless diversion of health care resources - unvaccinated people are taking up hospital beds when they could have been at home with the sniffles (if they were vaccinated).

 

[Drew]

Bottom line is, those who choose not to get vaccinated are taking the higher risk but it is their risk.

No.

It is not only their risk - please see my previous post.

 

[WIP]

No.

It is not only their risk - please see my previous post.

Point taken.

 

[WIP]

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I would like to see this discussion take a turn in a more positive direction. We all have our points of view but we must always remember to express ourselves with humility and kindness. Some posts are becoming more and more aggressive. I may have been guilty as well. If you hold a strong position and are unable to post without humility and kindness I ask that you remove yourself from the discussion.
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[Drew]

According to data from Johns Hopkins University as of July 23, the known survival rate for Covid-19 patients is approximately 98.2%, however, because the true number of infections is much larger than just the documented cases, the actual survival rate of all COVID-19 infections is even higher than 98.2%.

All true, but what is your point. A 99% survival rate sound high but no one would get on a plane if their chance of arriving alive is only 99%. If caught early, melanoma (skin cancer) has a 99% survival rate. Yet people still wear sunscreen.

A 1% risk of death is very high indeed when considered in the light of how we understand risks generally.

 

[Drew]

Now gardesil under attack for causing several types of cancer.
Stay away from vaccines.
You are only asking for trouble.

You mean like the trouble that millions who have not gotten smallpox or polio have suffered?

 

[WIP]

If caught early, melanoma (skin cancer) has a 99% survival rate. Yet people still wear sunscreen.

I don't. Also, take a look at that again. The survival rate is 99.94%.

Edit: That 99.994% is only if I get infected in the first place.

 

[Drew]

You and others, however, want us to get one even though we don't want one.

To be fair, you mispresented me as favouring forced vaccinations. I never posted anything that would justify such an inference on your part.

Yes, I do want you to get a vaccine, but I am not in favour of enforced vaccination.

I can imagine a setting where I would support forced vaccination, for example if the fatality were 25 % and not less than 1%.

But, again, I have never stated or implied that I favour forced vaccinations for covid-19.

 

[Drew]

I don't. Also, take a look at that again. The survival rate is 99.94%.

Edit: That 99.994% is only if I get infected in the first place.

Fair enough - would you get on a plane if you had a 1 in 100 chance of dying. Before you answer, consider what the world would be like if this was the case: 60,000 dead every single day.