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Creation and Earth's Age

Dorothy Mae said:
Does the name that means "he laughs" or something similar mean he wasn't a real person? What about the name that means "rest?" Was that not a real person? I have heard something pretty cool. Here are the meanings of names of the line of Noah. All of these names had meanings as was common in the OT. Does not mean those men did not live.

#NameHebrew Meaning
1AdamMan
2SethAppointed
3.EnoshMortal
4.KenanSorrow
5.MahahlalelThe blessed God
6.JaredShall come down
7.EnochTeaching
8.MethuselahHis death shall bring
9.LamechThe despairing
10.NoahRest, comfort
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That's fine. Jesus had quit a lot of names that described him.
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Dorothy Mae said:
As for the age of the earth, how can this be measured when the earth did not start revolving around the sun for a period of time and time is measured by that? But I suppose if your "ruler" has units of billions between marks, 4 billion, 5 billion, 3 billion, 6 billion....what is the difference? And the earth itself cannot tell its age as catastrophic events change the measuring line.
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Mountains increase in height by about 5 millimetres a year. So if we Google the height of Mount Everest we can calculate it's age.

Otherwise consider how long it would take for water to scour out the Grand Canyon from solid rock.

The rock strata in cliffs give us their age in millions of years.

Coal takes 300 million years to form from the time the tree falls to the ground.

Light travels at 64 million miles per second if I remember from my college days. Astronomers know how far away they are from earth and from that they can calculate their age.

In the beginning, the earth was covered in water and all the solid ground was at the South Pole. It has taken billions of years for the continents to break up and move to their present position around the globe. They are still moving and this is what causes tsunamis.

youtube continental drift - Google Search

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wondering said:
Of course that's how God created.
I meant about the Gap Theory and the age of the earth.

Do you believe the universe is 14 billion yrs old and the earth 4 billion?
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As stated in the opening post, I do not have any belief one way one or the other as to the age of the earth. Honestly, I do not think the age of the earth is really all that important as it does not shape my theological belief in how the earth-and everything in it-was created. In short, I can't claim one way or the other dogmatically, nor do I believe anyone can. However, it is disingenuous for some opponents of Gap theory to claim that proponents of a Gap theory believe in "old earth."
 
JackrabbitSlim said:
As stated in the opening post, I do not have any belief one way one or the other as to the age of the earth. Honestly, I do not think the age of the earth is really all that important as it does not shape my theological belief in how the earth-and everything in it-was created. In short, I can't claim one way or the other dogmatically, nor do I believe anyone can. However, it is disingenuous for some opponents of Gap theory to claim that proponents of a Gap theory believe in "old earth."
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OK.
I'm trying to understand why you started this thread.
The Gap Theory creates a time between what's going on in Genesis.
Specifically in Genesis 1.

The moderator of this thread even stated we should stop speaking about the age of the earth
but isn't that what the gap theory is all about?

Now you state that the persons FOR the gap theory believe in an OLD EARTH.

Why do you think this is disingenuous?
This is exactly what the gap theory suggests.
That the earth is old.
 
wondering said:
OK.
I'm trying to understand why you started this thread.
The Gap Theory creates a time between what's going on in Genesis.
Specifically in Genesis 1.

The moderator of this thread even stated we should stop speaking about the age of the earth
but isn't that what the gap theory is all about?

Now you state that the persons FOR the gap theory believe in an OLD EARTH.

Why do you think this is disingenuous?
This is exactly what the gap theory suggests.
That the earth is old.
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I started this thread because the thread on Gap theory got away from the theory and moved toward all about the age and creation of the earth and not really about the Gap theory itself. It's disingenuous to claim that those who hold to GT also holds to old earth. I do not see it that way, as I know many who hold to GT that do not believe in old earth.
 
Cooper said:
Mountains increase in height by about 5 millimetres a year. So if we Google the height of Mount Everest we can calculate it's age.
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How do you know when it started? How do you know it was completely constant?
Cooper said:
Otherwise consider how long it would take for water to scour out the Grand Canyon from solid rock.
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Mt St. Helens carved a mini Grand Canyon in a few weeks.
Cooper said:
The rock strata in cliffs give us their age in millions of years.
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The strata after that volcano took weeks but looks like millions of years. But we know it was weeks.
Cooper said:
Coal takes 300 million years to form from the time the tree falls to the ground.
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How did all those plants and trees get buried? Normally they just decay where they fell?
Cooper said:
Light travels at 64 million miles per second if I remember from my college days. Astronomers know how far away they are from earth and from that they can calculate their age.

In the beginning, the earth was covered in water and all the solid ground was at the South Pole. It has taken billions of years for the continents to break up and move to their present position around the globe. They are still moving and this is what causes tsunamis.
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Why did they break up in the first place? They don’t break up now? Not observed in man’s history.
 
JackrabbitSlim said:
I started this thread because the thread on Gap theory got away from the theory and moved toward all about the age and creation of the earth and not really about the Gap theory itself. It's disingenuous to claim that those who hold to GT also holds to old earth. I do not see it that way, as I know many who hold to GT that do not believe in old earth.
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If the young earth was say 100,000 years and a gap was inserted, then the young earth would become an old earth. Is that what you want?
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Dorothy Mae said:
How do you know when it started? How do you know it was completely constant?

Mt St. Helens carved a mini Grand Canyon in a few weeks.

The strata after that volcano tools weeks but looks like millions of years. But we know it was weeks.

How did all those plants and trees get buried? Normally they just decay where they fell?
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Take the height of Mount Everest in millimeters, divide by 5 and you have its age.
It would in volcanic ash.
Drop a plastic bag on the ground and it will soon get burried.... Anyway it happens. Go down any coal mine, and you will find it goes quite deep as you might expect, and that takes a very long time.
The hardness of the rock is a significant factor.
The light from the stars is measured in light years. It takes millions of years for the light to reach earth, such is the vastness of space. This is why the light from the sun and the moon did not reach earth until day four.
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Cooper said:
Take the height of Mount Everest in millimeters, divide by 5 and you have its age.
It would in volcanic ash.
Drop a plastic bag on the ground and it will soon get burried.... Anyway it happens. Go down any coal mine, and you will find it goes quite deep as you might expect, and that takes a very long time.
The hardness of the rock is a significant factor.
The light from the stars is measured in light years. It takes millions of years for the light to reach earth, such is the vastness of space. This is why the light from the sun and the moon did not reach earth until day four.
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I am very glad to drop a bag on the ground and I can tell you that it will not be buried. I have seen trees lying in the forest and they are not buried. Why would they be buried? I have visited ghost towns in the US and they were not buried although not lived in for decades. I have been to ancient ruins 1000s of years old and the are not buried. Broken down and pillars and such laying over, but not buried.
 
Dorothy Mae said:
I am very glad to drop a bag on the ground and I can tell you that it will not be buried. I have seen trees lying in the forest and they are not buried. Why would they be buried? I have visited ghost towns in the US and they were not buried although not lived in for decades. I have been to ancient ruins 1000s of years old and the are not buried. Broken down and pillars and such laying over, but not buried.
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That is what I am saying, it takes a very long time, and there we have evidence of a very old earth. All I can say is to read up on the formation of coal and four things I can say, is that coal comes from trees, coal mines are very deep, the weight of the soil above causes the timber to compress, and it takes years.
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wondering said:
It seems that science has agreed that we all come from one pair of humans.
Also, there doesn't seem to be any EVOLUTION from primitive man to what we see today.
Those images of progression in the human species we see in museums are no longer accepted scientifically.
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Those never were "accepted scientifically." Evolution is not a ladder, it's a bush, as Darwin pointed out. And yes, humans have evolved markedly over the millenia. Even our own species. Neanderthals are almost certainly H. sapiens, as are Denisovans and at least one other yet-unidentified race. And we continue to evolve. Both anatomically modern humans and Neanderthals evolved markedly from archaic H. sapiens. Things like hemoglobins resistant to parasites blue eyes, and shoulder structure have evolved in anatomically modern humans.
 
Evolution is man's attempt to try and understand mankind, absent from the Bible. The "wise" amongst us shows us their foolishness in this way.
 
JackrabbitSlim said:
Evolution is man's attempt to try and understand mankind, absent from the Bible. The "wise" amongst us shows us their foolishness in this way.
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Nobody is talking about evolution.
The subject is God's creation which took a very long time as we can see from the formation of coal.

Coal is a combustible black or brownish-black sedimentary rock, formed as rock strata called coal seams. Coal is mostly carbon with variable amounts of other elements, chiefly hydrogen, sulfur, oxygen, and nitrogen.[1] Coal is formed when dead plant matter decays into peat and is converted into coal by the heat and pressure of deep burial over millions of years.[2] Vast deposits of coal originate in former wetlands called coal forests that covered much of the Earth's tropical land areas during the late Carboniferous (Pennsylvanian) and Permian times.[3][4] However, many significant coal deposits are younger than this and originate from the Mesozoic and Cenozoic eras. (252-66 million years ago)

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Coal - Wikipedia

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It takes coal well over two hundred million years to form, and to think, Ken Ham, says the universe and the Earth were created together approximately 6,000 years ago. (Wiki)
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