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Creation and Earth's Age

wondering said:
But they didn't exist back then.

We've learned how to make a diamond in 2 weeks in a lab.

But nature took millions of years.
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Then why is there c14 in diamond?
How exactly do you KNOW that it takes millions of years for diamonds to form?
If a process can be done in a lab... then why not in nature?
Because a lab exists does not mean that a lab is the only place a process can be performed.
If coal takes a certain temperature/pressure and lack of oxygen... why can that process not have occurred just post flood?
 
dwb001 said:
Then why is there c14 in diamond?
How exactly do you KNOW that it takes millions of years for diamonds to form?
If a process can be done in a lab... then why not in nature?
Because a lab exists does not mean that a lab is the only place a process can be performed.
If coal takes a certain temperature/pressure and lack of oxygen... why can that process not have occurred just post flood?
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Because nature is nature and a lab is a lab.
 
wondering said:
Because nature is nature and a lab is a lab.
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How exactly did you get CF Ambassador status with thinking like that?

ALL A LAB DOES is duplicate natural processes in a controlled environment.
You yourself stated that diamonds are created in 2 weeks... in the proper conditions.
So if those proper conditions were to occur in nature then 2 weeks to make diamonds. Your words not mine.

And why are you denying the work of Jesus on the Cross?
That is a natural outworking of the Gap Theory and all old Earth ideologies.
If death did not come into the world through Adam... then there was no need for Jesus to die.
If death was a natural process then no salvation is required.
 
There is a huge difference between "listening" to understand and "listening" to respond. The moment someone "listens" to respond, the discussion becomes fruitless. It should be noted, understanding does not mean accepting, it just means that a person understands one's point of view. Anything more between believers is not edifying, but, it turns into a "gotcha" argument. Where is Christ being glorified in something like that? Just a thought.
 
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dwb001 said:
How exactly did you get CF Ambassador status with thinking like that?

ALL A LAB DOES is duplicate natural processes in a controlled environment.
You yourself stated that diamonds are created in 2 weeks... in the proper conditions.
So if those proper conditions were to occur in nature then 2 weeks to make diamonds. Your words not mine.

And why are you denying the work of Jesus on the Cross?
That is a natural outworking of the Gap Theory and all old Earth ideologies.
If death did not come into the world through Adam... then there was no need for Jesus to die.
If death was a natural process then no salvation is required.
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I'm on a cell and can't write too much.
I just don't know how else to respond.
Nature is not a lab.
Google how long it takes a diamond to form in nature. Why do you think they're so expensive.

Will write more at my computer.
 
wondering said:
I'm on a cell and can't write too much.
I just don't know how else to respond.
Nature is not a lab.
Google how long it takes a diamond to form in nature. Why do you think they're so expensive.

Will write more at my computer.
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Nature is not a lab.... but a lab is a mirror of nature.
If Old Earth is a bedrock issue for you then I seriously question your salvation.
When a question arises in your faith... such as if Adam is not the cause of sin in the human condition then why is Jesus needed?
When such question arises... do you question the Old Earth or question The Bible?
So if this issue is foundational for you... then good luck explaining to Jesus why you don't think His suffering was worth anything.
 
dwb001 said:
Nature is not a lab.... but a lab is a mirror of nature.
If Old Earth is a bedrock issue for you then I seriously question your salvation.
When a question arises in your faith... such as if Adam is not the cause of sin in the human condition then why is Jesus needed?
When such question arises... do you question the Old Earth or question The Bible?
So if this issue is foundational for you... then good luck explaining to Jesus why you don't think His suffering was worth anything.
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d,
I didn't bring up all the topics you have listed above. I was replying to a statement the OP made that seemed the opposite of what is usually the case.

You're making a lot of assumptions.
You and the other member could continue on, I'm bowing out of the conversation due to the misunderstanding, and the time it would take to fix it at this point.
 
dwb001 said:
Then why is there c14 in diamond?
How exactly do you KNOW that it takes millions of years for diamonds to form?
If a process can be done in a lab... then why not in nature?
Because a lab exists does not mean that a lab is the only place a process can be performed.
If coal takes a certain temperature/pressure and lack of oxygen... why can that process not have occurred just post flood?
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An expert can recognise real from paste in seconds, but many are fooled, don't be one of them.
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Cooper said:
That is what I am saying, it takes a very long time, and there we have evidence of a very old earth. All I can say is to read up on the formation of coal and four things I can say, is that coal comes from trees, coal mines are very deep, the weight of the soil above causes the timber to compress, and it takes years.
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Where does the dirt come from to cover up things and what hole was left by doing so. The things is, when dirt is mixed with fluid, it separates into layers. If you dig a hole and out dirt in, it doesn’t. Ancient cities I’ve seen weren’t covered up at all unless there was a flood or volcano or such. And the dirt covering isn’t being manufactured. It comes from elsewhere. And it goes back to elsewhere with weather conditions. And I can put a bag on the ground and unless it rains it floods or moves dirt over it in the usual observed fashion, it won’t be buried. We bury the dead precisely because they aren’t otherwise covered up.
 
dwb001 said:
A lab just duplicates natural processes in an artificial environment.
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You ever worked in a lab? Because it certainly doesn’t. Variables are highly controlled so as to test as few as possible at the same time. That’s not natural. Every single experience requires intelligent design. A whopping 100% of them.
 
Dorothy Mae said:
Where does the dirt come from to cover up things and what hole was left by doing so. The things is, when dirt is mixed with fluid, it separates into layers. If you dig a hole and out dirt in, it doesn’t. Ancient cities I’ve seen weren’t covered up at all unless there was a flood or volcano or such. And the dirt covering isn’t being manufactured. It comes from elsewhere. And it goes back to elsewhere with weather conditions. And I can put a bag on the ground and unless it rains it floods or moves dirt over it in the usual observed fashion, it won’t be buried. We bury the dead precisely because they aren’t otherwise covered up.
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I think you have described it. It happens naturally. As you say dirt gets washed around by floods or just natural erosion when it rains. Worms bring the bottom soil to the top, they are constantly moving soil around to aerate the ground. If you ever see a stone pillar leaning over it is due to worm activity. The cities you talk about will have needed excavating. Haven't you seen the archologists with their trowels unearthing stuff that has got buried? These treasure hunters with their gadgets are all looking for coins that have been lost and got covered over by the soil. Don't worry, nature is wonderful.
 
Dorothy Mae said:
You ever worked in a lab? Because it certainly doesn’t. Variables are highly controlled so as to test as few as possible at the same time. That’s not natural. Every single experience requires intelligent design. A whopping 100% of them.
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You just restated exactly what I said.
 
Let's keep in mind 2 Peter 3:8;
"But do not let this one fact escape your notice, beloved, that with the Lord one day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years like one day."
 
JackrabbitSlim said:
Let's keep in mind 2 Peter 3:8;
"But do not let this one fact escape your notice, beloved, that with the Lord one day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years like one day."
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Yes, to the LORD JRS.
But to US a day is a day and a thousand years are a thousand years.
 
JackrabbitSlim said:
I don't believe that's what that means at all.
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Ok, what does it mean? I’ve heard that verse used to explain why a certain theology that believes Revelation is unfulfilled explains why Jesus said many times “soon.”
I have no problem because I think it happened soon. But they do have a problem. But maybe that’s not the context. It’s worth contemplating what that verse means in particular.
 
Dorothy Mae said:
Ok, what does it mean? I’ve heard that verse used to explain why a certain theology that believes Revelation is unfulfilled explains why Jesus said many times “soon.”
I have no problem because I think it happened soon. But they do have a problem. But maybe that’s not the context. It’s worth contemplating what that verse means in particular.
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His timing is not our timing. What we see as days (24 hrs), may be 1000(s) of years to Him. We just don't know.
 
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