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Daniel 7 - The Little Horn Revealed

Daniel 8:23-25
And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up. And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people. And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.

1 Corinthians 11:23-25

For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread: And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.


Matthew 26:26-28

And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body. And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it; For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
 
Daniel 8:23-25
And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up. And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people. And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.


Matthew 27:1-2
When the morning was come, all the chief priests and elders of the people took counsel against Jesus to put him to death: And when they had bound him, they led him away, and delivered him to Pontius Pilate the governor.


Matthew 27:11-14
And Jesus stood before the governor: and the governor asked him, saying, Art thou the King of the Jews? And Jesus said unto him, Thou sayest. And when he was accused of the chief priests and elders, he answered nothing. Then said Pilate unto him, Hearest thou not how many things they witness against thee? And he answered him to never a word; insomuch that the governor marvelled greatly.


Matthew 27:23-25
And the governor said, Why, what evil hath he done? But they cried out the more, saying, Let him be crucified.
When Pilate saw that he could prevail nothing, but that rather a tumult was made, he took water, and washed his hands before the multitude, saying, I am innocent of the blood of this just person: see ye to it. Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children.
 
Hi EZ, great article looks like a lot of research. Thanks for sharing it. In my opinion the biggest problem with understanding the End Times we must understand Satan. Satan is not just a being as an individual. Satan is a trinity. God is a Holy Trinity and Satan a trinity of Evil. Re. 16: 13-14;
"13And I saw three unclean spirits that looked like frogs coming out of the mouths of the dragon, the beast, and the false prophet. 14These are demonic spirits that perform signs and go out to all the kings of the earth, to assemble them for battle on the great day of God, the Almighty.…" Once we know the trinity of evil we can begin putand each of those three counterfeit and oppose the Holy Trinity the end times together. We have been shown the three unclean spirits all coming out of the One unclean spirit just as The Godhead comes out of God. Each trinity has a Father, Satan, God the Father, Anti-Christ the son of Satan and Christ the Son of God and finally Satan the unholy spirit we will know as the false prophet. Satan the son will go so far as to counterfeit the death and resurrection of God the Son. Re. 13: 3- 4:
3One of the heads of the beast appeared to be fatally wounded. But the mortal wound was healed, and the whole world was astonished and followed the beast. 4They worshiped the dragon who had given authority to the beast, and they worshiped the beast, saying, “Who is like the beast, and who can wage war against it?”… This is part of how extensive the counterfeiting will be we are told it could almost fool the Elect.

There are those who say Satan isn't the father but we are told in John 8:44 that Satan the son is "The Lie" and he is called the son of Satan. In the same way the Lord called Judas "The son of Perdition. "The son of perdition is the son of satan we know as anti-Christ.
Christ anti_Christ
Good Seed Tares
Seals His servants Re. 7:3 Seals servants Re. 13:16
Coming with His angels Mt. 24: 31 Angels Mt. 25: 41
Morning Star Re. 22: 16 Morning Star Col. 2:3

These are a few ways Scripture shows us anti-Christ counterfeiting the Christ there are lots more. Then we have all the ways He opposes the Christ.

But maybe the most important thing we may learn is that anti-Christ is spoken of by the Lord as being another of the same kind. What does the Lord mean? We need to understand the word He used for same. There could be the word "Allos" which means one of the same kind such as two apples both Granny Smith they are the same Allos. But if you have a Granny Smith and a MacIntosh they are the same with the word being Heteros or something that is the same, in this case apples, but are also different in the type of apple each apple is. So when the Lord spoke of Satan He used the word Allos meaning he was one of the same kind as the Lord. So in what way are the Lord and anti-Christ Allos one of the same kind? Certainly they are not both God. They are not both Passover Lambs. But they will both be born in the flesh Jews. The little horn coming up in the 10 horns is a picture of anti-Christ being from the Land of Israel. The 10 horns are the ten tribes of the northern kingdom. Many believe that he will be born from the tribe of Dan.

I think you are on the right track just needing to separate anti-Christ counterfeting the Christ. God bless.
 
Hi EZ, great article looks like a lot of research. Thanks for sharing it. In my opinion the biggest problem with understanding the End Times we must understand Satan. Satan is not just a being as an individual. Satan is a trinity. God is a Holy Trinity and Satan a trinity of Evil. Re. 16: 13-14;


I really didn't have to research it at all.


Here is what I find troubling. The scriptures declare in the book Revelation that the Spirit of prophecy is the testimony of Christ. Yet most believe they will understand the scriptures and the "End Times" by not seeking the knowledge of Christ, but rather by seeking the knowledge of Satan.

People follow that which they seek after. Where do you think it leads them?
 
As I was reading your thread and came across the Daniel 8 material, I remembered that it was the little horn which proceeded from one of the four horns of the goat from the west. That was the little horn which I told you that I had questioned whether it could possibly be referring to Jesus (not the horn of Daniel 7) because it spoke of it doing away with the "daily sacrifice".
But Jesus did away with sacrifice (zeh'-bakh - H2076) and offerings/oblations in Daniel 9:27.
The "daily sacrifice" spoken of in Daniel 8 (taw-meed' H8548) is a different word and meaning of course.

Often, especially in the visions, when I read/hear Daniel speak of "daily sacrifice", "truth", "saints", "sanctuary", "sanctuary of strength", "holy people", "most Holy", "covenant", "holy covenant" spoken of as entities, I recognize them as something holy and sanctified. I might not have the exact or best meaning available to offer anyone for these terms, but I recognize that they are the enemies of the evil forces in those visions.

This is mainly why I determine that the little horn(s) are not associated with righteousness.

I believe the beasts are emanations of worldly powers.
 
As I was reading your thread and came across the Daniel 8 material, I remembered that it was the little horn which proceeded from one of the four horns of the goat from the west. That was the little horn which I told you that I had questioned whether it could possibly be referring to Jesus (not the horn of Daniel 7) because it spoke of it doing away with the "daily sacrifice".
But Jesus did away with sacrifice (zeh'-bakh - H2076) and offerings/oblations in Daniel 9:27.
The "daily sacrifice" spoken of in Daniel 8 (taw-meed' H8548) is a different word and meaning of course.

Often, especially in the visions, when I read/hear Daniel speak of "daily sacrifice", "truth", "saints", "sanctuary", "sanctuary of strength", "holy people", "most Holy", "covenant", "holy covenant" spoken of as entities, I recognize them as something holy and sanctified. I might not have the exact or best meaning available to offer anyone for these terms, but I recognize that they are the enemies of the evil forces in those visions.

This is mainly why I determine that the little horn(s) are not associated with righteousness.

I believe the beasts are emanations of worldly powers.

I understand any reservations. Believe me, I wouldn't say I clearly understand it. But as I have mentioned before, when I'm searching the scriptures, my heart is intent on learning about the Lord and His Kingdom. I am no longer drawn to seeking the knowledge about some antichrist, though I must admit it is difficult sometimes overcoming the previous impulses of the flesh to see some antichrist character as many church doctrines hold. Looking for the antichrist in the scriptures surely leads to deception and false doctrines.

Daniel 2:40-44
And the fourth kingdom shall be strong as iron: forasmuch as iron breaketh in pieces and subdueth all things: and as iron that breaketh all these, shall it break in pieces and bruise. And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes, part of potters' clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay. And as the toes of the feet were part of iron, and part of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken. And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay. And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.


Daniel 7:13-14
I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.


Daniel 7 concerns the establishment of the everlasting kingdom for which Christ was raised up and given dominion over. These verses should be understood in this context. Not some antichrist in some revived Roman Empire.
 
Daniel 7:8
I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.


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Jesus Christ, He is referred to as the Horn of David, the Horn of our Salvation, and the little horn of Daniel 7.

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. The LH in Dan is clearly anti-God and can't be Yeshua/Jesus unless it is a fake Jesus like the pope as vicar of son of god.

Last week I posted that the white horseman in Revelation 6 could be christianity but the WH is not bad in any way. The LH in Daniel is bad though.

Jesus didn't uproot 3 of the 10 horns. He is not part of the beast, he is the stone/rock that comes after.

(Not that I should care though since God seemingly still won't ever have mercy on me and save me from this hell on earth.)
 
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This is blasphemy.

Then I guess I'm in good company. The Pharisees said the same of Jesus.

The LH in Dan is clearly anti-God and can't be Yeshua/Jesus unless it is a fake Jesus like the pope as vicar of son of god.

What makes you think the little horn is anti-God? What is it that you think makes him so bad. I posted many scriptures in this thread. Perhaps you could actually deal with the actual content of the posts.

Jesus didn't uproot 3 of the 10 horns. He is not part of the beast, he is the stone/rock that comes after.

What do you suppose the Judgement and wrath of the Lord should like?

Do you believe that Christ rules in the everlasting kingdom set up by the Lord?

Or are you looking for a different kingdom?



(Not that I should care though since God seemingly still won't ever have mercy on me and save me from this hell on earth.)

Again, what do you suppose the judgement of God to look like? To whom do you think the Lord would have mercy upon: the son who lives in his Father kingdom, or the servant who spends his days looking for the coming of the evil one?

Are you aware of the sign of Jonah?
 
Then I guess I'm in good company. The Pharisees said the same of Jesus.

What makes you think the little horn is anti-God? What is it that you think makes him so bad. I posted many scriptures in this thread. Perhaps you could actually deal with the actual content of the posts.

Do you believe that Christ rules in the everlasting kingdom set up by the Lord?
By that logic everyone who is accused of blasphemy is like Jesus.

Yes I believe that. but first comes the "antichrist" before Jesus returns.

The 4th beast is bad not good, in Daniel and in Revelation.

Dragon is bad not good.
10 horns / 10 toes are associate of the antichrist (little horn or 8th head or beast).

002:040 The fourth kingdom shall be strong as iron, because iron breaks
in pieces and subdues
all things; and as iron that crushes
all these, shall it break in pieces and crush.
002:041 Whereas you saw the feet and toes, part of potters'
clay, and part of iron, it shall be a divided kingdom;
but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron,
because you saw the iron mixed with miry clay.
002:042 As the toes of the feet were part of iron, and part of clay,
so the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken.
002:043 Whereas you saw the iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle
themselves with the seed of men; but they shall not cling
to one another, even as iron does not mingle with clay.

007:007 After this I saw in the night visions, and, behold, a fourth
animal, awesome and powerful, and strong exceedingly;
and it had great iron teeth; it devoured and broke
in pieces
, and stamped the residue with its feet:
and it was diverse from all the animals that were before it;
and it had ten horns.
007:008 I considered the horns, and behold, there came up among
them another horn, a little one, before which three
of the first horns were plucked up by the roots:
and behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of a man,
and a mouth speaking great things.
007:019 Then I desired to know the truth concerning the fourth animal,
which was diverse from all of them, exceedingly terrible,
whose teeth were of iron, and its nails of brass; which devoured,
broke in pieces,
and stamped the residue with its feet;
007:020 and concerning the ten horns that were on its head,
and the other [horn] which came up, and before which three fell,
even that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spoke great things,
whose look was more stout than its fellows.
007:021 I saw, and the same horn made war with the saints,
and prevailed against them;
007:022 until the ancient of days came, and judgment was given to
the saints of the Most High, and the time came that the saints
possessed the kingdom.
007:023 Thus he said, The fourth animal shall be a fourth kingdom
on earth, which shall be diverse from all the kingdoms,
and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down,
and break it in pieces
.
007:024 As for the ten horns, out of this kingdom shall ten kings arise:
and another shall arise after them; and he shall be diverse
from the former, and he shall put down three kings.
007:025 He shall speak words against the Most High, and shall wear
out the saints
of the Most High; and he shall think to change
the times and the law
; and they shall be given into his hand
until a time and times and half a time.
007:026 But the judgment shall be set, and they shall take away
his dominion
, to consume and to destroy it to the end.

012:003 Another sign was seen in heaven. Behold, a great red dragon,
having seven heads and ten horns, and on his heads seven crowns.

013:001 Then I stood on the sand of the sea. I saw a beast coming
up out of the sea, having ten horns and seven heads.
On his horns were ten crowns, and on his heads, blasphemous names.
013:002 The beast which I saw was like a leopard, and his feet were
like those of a bear, and his mouth like the mouth of a lion.
The dragon gave him his power, his throne, and great authority.
013:003 One of his heads looked like it had been wounded fatally.
His fatal wound was healed, and the whole earth marveled
at the beast.
013:004 They worshiped the dragon, because he gave his authority to the beast,
and they worshiped the beast, saying, "Who is like the beast?
Who is able to make war with him?"
013:005 A mouth speaking great things (= same as little horn) and blasphemy was given to him.
Authority to make war for forty-two months was given to him.
013:006 He opened his mouth for blasphemy against God, to blaspheme
his name, and his dwelling, those who dwell in heaven.
013:007 It was given to him to make war with the saints, and to
overcome them. Authority over every tribe, people, language,
and nation was given to him.

017:003 He carried me away in the Spirit into a wilderness.
I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet-colored animal, full of
blasphemous names, having seven heads and ten horns.
017:007 The angel said to me, "Why do you wonder? I will tell you
the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carries her,
which has the seven heads and the ten horns.
017:008 The beast that you saw was, and is not; and is about
to come up out of the abyss and to go into destruction.
Those who dwell on the earth and whose names have not
been written in the book of life
from the foundation
of the world will marvel when they see that the beast was,
and is not, and shall be present.{TR reads "yet is"
instead of "shall be present"}
017:009 Here is the mind that has wisdom. The seven heads are
seven mountains, on which the woman sits.
017:010 They are seven kings. Five have fallen, the one is,
the other has not yet come. When he comes, he must continue
a little while.
017:011 The beast that was, and is not, is himself also an eighth,
and is of the seven; and he goes to destruction.
017:012 The ten horns that you saw are ten kings who have received
no kingdom as yet, but they receive authority as kings,
with the beast, for one hour.
017:013 These have one mind, and they give their power and authority
to the beast.
017:014 These will war against the Lamb, and the Lamb will overcome them,
for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings. They also will
overcome who are with him, called and chosen and faithful."


Details in those verses clearly indicate the 4th beast and all the horns are bad not good.

Jesus is the stone/rock the "5th monarchy" that comes after the 4 kingdoms when the saints possess.
 
By that logic everyone who is accused of blasphemy is like Jesus.

Yes I believe that. but first comes the "antichrist" before Jesus returns.

The 4th beast is bad not good, in Daniel and in Revelation.


Details in those verses clearly indicate the 4th beast and all the horns are bad not good.

Jesus is the stone/rock the "5th monarchy" that comes after the 4 kingdoms when the saints possess.


If you wish to seek out evil, you will find evil. If the antichrist is what you look, then the antichrist is all you will see.

But seek ye first the Kingdom of God......

Seems you and so many others have bought into some wild end times prophecies that has obscured the simplicity of the vision of the four beasts, which are four kingdoms. There is no revived Roman empire. These four kingdoms represented were given the Kingdom when God judged Jerusalem and took the Kingdom and throne from Jerusalem and gave it to the king of Babylon. This is the first beast and Nebuchadnezzar ruled as God's servant. The fourth beast began with the Roman Empire, but in the fourth beast came forth the Son of David, and the Kingdom and the throne given was to Him, it is an everlasting kingdom. He is to rule until he has put all enemies under his feet. What kind of imagery might look like? His was to rule with a rod of iron. Part iron, part clay, strong and yet weak. By his Spirit, yet in our flesh!
 
007:025 He shall speak words against the Most High, and shall wear
out the saints
of the Most High; and he shall think to change
the times and the law
; and they shall be given into his hand
until a time and times and half a time.


Great place to start the discussion. You have identified and underlined three items you see as being bad. I to have highlighted those very same words. Maybe you would be so kind as to go read post #2 and then we can talk about speaking words against the most high. Wearing out the saints, see post #3. You can then continue on to post #4 where we can then discuss the changing of times and laws and the confirming of the new covenant. You have yet to address any of the posts in this thread or the scriptures accompanying them. Why don't you start there?
 
Great place to start the discussion. You have identified and underlined three items you see as being bad. I to have highlighted those very same words. Maybe you would be so kind as to go read post #2 and then we can talk about speaking words against the most high. Wearing out the saints, see post #3. You can then continue on to post #4 where we can then discuss the changing of times and laws and the confirming of the new covenant. You have yet to address any of the posts in this thread or the scriptures accompanying them. Why don't you start there?
I don't have the time and situation to discuss all the posts of the thread. I simply picked the main point of the OP and showed underlined scriptures why the little horn can't be Christ. You can't only pick one of the verses and only three underlined things. All the underlined bits confirm the LH is bad not good, and some of them cross-reference or relate to each other such as the mouth of the LH and the mouth in Revelation verses. I am sorry I can not spare any further time as I have other more important more truthful things to study/write on rather than obviously untrue. The enemy wants us to waste all our time and life on clever lies and not have time for true studies/writing. That is no offense to you if you are genuine and not being deceptive: I just can not agree on the LH being good not bad because those underlines scriptures clearly indicate it is not good/Christ but contrary. Other verses don't matter since I posted & underlined all the scriptures directly relating to the horn(s). Btw the elite boast they can make black looked white and white look black, so of course each of the underlined can by stretching be claimed to mean contrary to what they surely seem to mean. God is not a deceiver even if/though his bible doesn't always make everything clear. Even writing this took precious half an hour or so.
 
I don't have the time and situation to discuss all the posts of the thread. I simply picked the main point of the OP and showed underlined scriptures why the little horn can't be Christ. You can't only pick one of the verses and only three underlined things. All the underlined bits confirm the LH is bad not good, and some of them cross-reference or relate to each other such as the mouth of the LH and the mouth in Revelation verses. I am sorry I can not spare any further time as I have other more important more truthful things to study/write on rather than obviously untrue. The enemy wants us to waste all our time and life on clever lies and not have time for true studies/writing. That is no offense to you if you are genuine and not being deceptive: I just can not agree on the LH being good not bad because those underlines scriptures clearly indicate it is not good/Christ but contrary. Other verses don't matter since I posted & underlined all the scriptures directly relating to the horn(s). Btw the elite boast they can make black looked white and white look black, so of course each of the underlined can by stretching be claimed to mean contrary to what they surely seem to mean. God is not a deceiver even if/though his bible doesn't always make everything clear. Even writing this took precious half an hour or so.

So you have wasted my time, accused me of blasphemy, yet never took the time to bother to read any of it?

Typical. Your kind is known.
 
This is blasphemy. The LH in Dan is clearly anti-God and can't be Yeshua/Jesus unless it is a fake Jesus like the pope as vicar of son of god.

Last week I posted that the white horseman in Revelation 6 could be christianity but the WH is not bad in any way. The LH in Daniel is bad though.

Jesus didn't uproot 3 of the 10 horns. He is not part of the beast, he is the stone/rock that comes after.

(Not that I should care though since God seemingly still won't ever have mercy on me and save me from this hell on earth.)

I agree. The little horn is the eleventh horn among 10 horns. The little horn is not JESUS, absolutely, but the profane and wicked Prince of Israel -Ezekiel 21:v.25 and Daniel 9:v.27-the last week, week 70th.

Interpreting Daniel 7:v.7-8
verse 7
>>>After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth Beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it(Babylonian, Medo-Persian and Greek); and it had ten horns.<<<

As you and all know, the prophecy is revealing about the fourth Empire - the dreadful and terrible, and strong Roman Empire - diverse from the Greek, Persian and Babylonian kingdoms that were before it. As many know, the Roman Empire was specifically and genuinely a Gentile Empire, but there was also a completely alien being or nation, or Kingdom, in the Gentile Roman Empire: It was the Kingdom of Israel. For this reason the prophecy reveals this appendix linked to the Roman Empire as 10 other independent powers, descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, prophetically represented by 10 horns. (Judah is another Kingdom separated from the nation or KINGDOM of Israel, and is not accounted in this prophecy). By the way, in Daniel 2, Israel (Israel is the clay-Isaiah 64:v.8) is represented by 10 toes of the feet of the Nebuchadnezzar's estatue.

verse 8
>>> I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.<<<

In the verse 8, the prophecy now is focusing the ten horns.
We know by prophecy that they represent the Kingdom of Israel, descendants from Abraham among the Gentile nations ruled by the Roman Empire, but from the midst of the 10 horns will rise up another very peculiar and little individual horn (the eleventh horn), but very powerful with his eyes (satanic vision) and a mouth speaking great things (blasphemy). I'm not sure how the little horn(the eleventh horn) will pluck up 3 horns from the first 10 horns by the roots, it seems he will erase them, perhaps will be the tribe of Levy, Judah and Benjamin, staying only 7 tribes: Reuben, Gad, Aser, Nephthalin, Simeon, Issachar and Dan that is not accounted in Revelation 7, replaced by Joseph; By the way, the little horn may be one of the tribe of Dan, as prophesied Jacob:Genesis 49:v.16-17 - Dan shall be a serpent by the way, an adder in the path, that biteth the horse heels, so that his rider shall fall backward. Dan shall judge his people(eleventh horn), as one of the tribes of Israel.

The little horn is the Man Beast like a lamb having two horns (a false lamb, course), actually a false messiah, an esoteric, kabbalistic and spiritist messiah (John 5:v.43 to 47 combined with 2 Thessalonians 2: 4and9-12), and he speaks as Dragon-Revelation 13:v.11-18. He will be enthroned in Jerusalém the holy city, called spiritually Sodom and Egypt, and he will rule Israel in the last week Daniel 9:v.27, and also will be the future main guide of the esoteric, kabbalistic and SPIRITIST Judaism.
 
Ezrider: I'm sorry if it wasted your time but I no more intended to waste your time (if genuine) than you have wasted ours. I thought my contribution was worth not waste. All of us have to pick and choose what we spend our very limited time on. This is also a forum so as long as we stick to the topic of the OP we are allowed to post differing opinions/views. I did read your OP thoroughly and I chose just to address that, I could only pick what further umpteen long posts I could read as I don't have heaps of time (even things I like or agree with I often have to skim as it takes immense time to read so many pages and pages and pages). (Many people don't bother to read all my articles/papers/posts either so I know how frustrating it is.) I also spend time finding and reading all the verses relating to the lamb-dragon/false-prophet (which you didn't because if you had read the false prophet is a man). It is more important to spend time reading all the verses than all the posts. You didn't have to read/reply mine either. I mean/meant no offense, and if is seems so well your last reply seemed so to me too. The lamb dragon / false prophet is a man not a dual power because of the verses about him in Revelation pretty surely only can only be a man (eg thrown into lake of fire). We all wins some and loose some, we are not always right, none of us like being wrong, but we keep trying to find the truth. Remember the blind men and the elephant. I didn't accuse you of blasphemy personally, I just said that identifying the little horn is like blasphemy. None of us can see each other and we don't know who is genuine or not. I am sorry for any offense, but I can't see how better I could have said my "criticism".

Thanks Oseas. I agree with alot of that, except I don't think the lamb-dragon/false-prophet is the same as the little horn. The little horn is the sea-beast/"antichrist". I only think the lamb-dragon may be a false Jewish messiah. The sea-beast I think is gentile. I agree that all the verses certainly imply the little horn can not be Jesus.
 
Thanks Oseas. I agree with alot of that, except I don't think the lamb-dragon/false-prophet is the same as the little horn. The little horn is the sea-beast/"antichrist". I only think the lamb-dragon may be a false Jewish messiah. The sea-beast I think is gentile. I agree that all the verses certainly imply the little horn can not be Jesus.
Greetings in Christ JESUS ,
Mosheli

I enjoyed a lot your reply, what matters for us is the pure Truth, and in my understand the Truth is unique, it is only One. GOD is the Truth. The Word is GOD.

I agree 100% with you in the follow points, because I'm sure that what you said is a pure and unique Truth:

1 - Mosheli said: >>>I only think the lamb-dragon may be a false Jewish messiah<<< (Comments: Now, even now, in the days ahead, will manifest a false lamb with two horns, in fact a false messiah, in my understanding an IMPOSTOR, an esoteric, and kabbalistic, and SPIRITIST messiah of the Jews, "Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders"-2Thes.2:v.9 combined with Revelation 13:v.13-14 - 13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, 14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the Beast". HE IS SPIRITIST, ESOTERIC, KABBALISTIC, terrible. " Who (will) opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God (will) sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God" 2 Thes. 2:v.4.

On the other hand, in my understanding, the two horns of the false lamb, the Jewish false messiah, as JESUS said-John 5:v.43-47- both horns represent the two kingdoms: the Kingdom of Israel, and the Kingdom of Judah. Detail: When Nebuchadnezzar invaded Israel he destroyed Jerusalem, mainly the House of GOD, the Temple, actually it was only the Kingdom of Judah destroyed by Nebuchadnezzar, later, our GOD, the Lord GOD of heaven, charged Cyrus, King of Persian, to build him an house (the Temple) at Jerusalem, which is in Judah-Ezra 1:v.1-11 combined with Ezra 6:v.1 to 22.


2 - Mosheli said: >>>The sea-beast I think is gentile.<<<
(Comments: In my understading you are 100% true. According the Word of our GOD, sea means waters, and waters mean peoples, and nations, and multitudes of all tongues-Revelation 17:v.15. The Word is GOD. On the other hand, as is written in Revelation 13:v.1 - John stood upon the sand of the sea (John was/is a Jew, in his vision he was among the people of Israel, as the sand of sea) and John saw a Beast rise up out of the sea(Gentile peoples, as you said), having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the NAME of blasphemy. In my understanding, the roots of the Apocaliptic Beast of sea is revealed in the verse 2, his BODY was formed in the great sea(Dan.7:v.2-3)and comes first from the kingdom of Babylon, and the BODY continued developing through the follow kingdoms-Persian and Greek and Roman Empire- and the BODY of the Beast exists until our days, days of Apocalipse.

May our Lord GOD bless and keep us, and give us His protection
Amen
 
I agree that all the verses certainly imply the little horn can not be Jesus.

Mosheli said: >>>I agree that all the verses certainly imply the little horn can not be Jesus.<<<
(COMMENTS
: Surely, the little horn is not JESUS, no, it really is not.
But he is a religious and powerful Jewish MAN of course, maybe of the tribe of Dan-Genesis 49:v.17- , and will be able to erase the Kingdom of Judah and unify Israel as a one single kingdom. I think he will manifest himself in this current decade -2020-2030. Let us get ready, in my understanding, just as the people of Israel had to cross the red sea, in this decade we the believers will need and have to go through (I mean win a war) against the Red Dragon. https://purebibleforum.com/index.ph...ng-by-the-red-sea-and-by-the-red-dragon.2439/
 
I did read your OP thoroughly and I chose just to address that, I could only pick what further umpteen long posts I could read as I don't have heaps of time (even things I like or agree with I often have to skim as it takes immense time to read so many pages and pages and pages). (Many people don't bother to read all my articles/papers/posts either so I know how frustrating it is.)

You objected to the premise, but you addressed none of the umpteen long posts. Couldn't even address post #2. But I understand why you can't address them. To do so would require you actually addressing the scripture, as I made very little commentary in any of the posts. I highlighted words and then let scripture interpret scripture.



We all wins some and loose some, we are not always right, none of us like being wrong, but we keep trying to find the truth. Remember the blind men and the elephant.

A blind can can not see, but I know that you can not see these things. They remain hidden to you. To see the things of the Kingdom of the Lord you must be born again, born of the Spirit. But you have shown that you are not interested in the Lord's Kingdom, nor have you shown you are interested in learning all the was written of Christ in the prophets. What you and many others have shown is an interest in learning and knowing all you can about the antichrist and the kingdoms of Satan.

Christ said Lo, I come, in the volume of the book it is written of me. But I hear a chorus singing, look, in the volume of the book it written of the antichrist!
 
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