[_ Old Earth _] Darwin and Galileo.....both got it wrong ?

[Free]

of course the full ruling for Catholics is 'the literal and obvious must always be accepted unless reason or necessity dictate otherwise so since heliocentrism is not proven or proveable the literal anchor holds

It doesn't matter to me what Catholics think on this matter, as that is not a determiner of the truth of what the Bible says. Besides, discussion of Catholicism is not allowed in this forum. The problem is that you are taking passages which are are speaking literal truths about God and making them say something they are not about the state of the universe, or at least our solar system. This is very problematic.

And, for the third time, does the earth rotate about an axis?

- Jesus is not a literal door but a door way - twinc

But he said he is the door in John 10:7. According to how you're interpreting Scripture, Jesus is either a literal door or he's lying. Of course we both understand that he is using a metaphor, and while the metaphor speaks of a literal truth, the statement itself is not meant to be taken in a literal manner.

And that is precisely what we have with all those passages you have given.

 

[twinc]

It doesn't matter to me what Catholics think on this matter, as that is not a determiner of the truth of what the Bible says. Besides, discussion of Catholicism is not allowed in this forum. The problem is that you are taking passages which are are speaking literal truths about God and making them say something they are not about the state of the universe, or at least our solar system. This is very problematic.

And, for the third time, does the earth rotate about an axis?


But he said he is the door in John 10:7. According to how you're interpreting Scripture, Jesus is either a literal door or he's lying. Of course we both understand that he is using a metaphor, and while the metaphor speaks of a literal truth, the statement itself is not meant to be taken in a literal manner.

And that is precisely what we have with all those passages you have given.

we clearly see the sun rises and sets but refuse to believe, we cannot see or feel the earth rotating and at a tremendous speed supposedly and yet we are told to reject the former and accept the latter - so it seems the sun rises and the earth does not rotate but is fixed according to God and scriptures and so also for me - twinc

 

[Milk-Drops]

we clearly see the sun rises and sets but refuse to believe, we cannot see or feel the earth rotating and at a tremendous speed supposedly and yet we are told to reject the former and accept the latter - so it seems the sun rises and the earth does not rotate but is fixed according to God and scriptures and so also for me - twinc

The reason many abandoned thw concept of a fixed earth and adopted a helocentric model is because of special relativity. The Sun apears to rise and fall because of the positioning of earth relative to the sun. We also dont feel the earth rotate because it is relative to what is moving around us. An eaeth centric model makes no sense once we start taking into effect relative celestial bodies.

 

[twinc]

The reason many abandoned thw concept of a fixed earth and adopted a helocentric model is because of special relativity. The Sun apears to rise and fall because of the positioning of earth relative to the sun. We also dont feel the earth rotate because it is relative to what is moving around us. An eaeth centric model makes no sense once we start taking into effect relative celestial bodies.

maybe so according to you - but two men looked out of prison bars, one saw muck and the other stars - just go on the internet and see for yourself - twinc

 

[Free]

we clearly see the sun rises and sets but refuse to believe, we cannot see or feel the earth rotating and at a tremendous speed supposedly and yet we are told to reject the former and accept the latter - so it seems the sun rises and the earth does not rotate but is fixed according to God and scriptures and so also for me - twinc

We see the sun rise and set because we are on earth viewing the sun at a great distance while the earth rotates about an axis, which is what gives us our night and day. It is our subjective view that makes it appear as thought the sun sets and rises. You are grossly misinterpreting and misunderstanding Scripture and its use of language.

So we clearly have a type of movement of the earth, proving your interpretation of Scripture to be incorrect.

 

[Milk-Drops]

maybe so according to you - but two men looked out of prison bars, one saw muck and the other stars - just go on the internet and see for yourself - twinc

Im currently on the intwrnet and all the credible sources point to the earth rotating around the sun. While the sun is also moving in an orbit of its own.

 

[twinc]

Im currently on the intwrnet and all the credible sources point to the earth rotating around the sun. While the sun is also moving in an orbit of its own.

credible sources = way out, weird and wacky sources replete with crazy conjectures and conclusions of non science and nonsense like big bang and now you see me now you don't, heliocentrism, millions of years of Dinosaurs, abiogenesis besides fake, frauds, cover ups and cons - via google see [The earth does not move] - btw see [Quick.....lets discriminate] and [Slaughter of the dissidents] - twinc

 

[Milk-Drops]

credible sources = way out, weird and wacky sources replete with crazy conjectures and conclusions of non science and nonsense like big bang and now you see me now you don't, heliocentrism, millions of years of Dinosaurs, abiogenesis besides fake, frauds, cover ups and cons - via google see [The earth does not move] - btw see [Quick.....lets discriminate] and [Slaughter of the dissidents] - twinc

I get it. You are either a troll or very young. Ive never met anyone who actually is this serious or so in denial of science.

Good day to you.

 

[Barbarian]

what started the sun rotating when there was nothing to rotate for or around

Perhaps you mean "revolve?" "Rotate" means spinning on an axis, like a top. "Revolve" means circling something.

- the sun is the centre of the solar mass and the earth is the centre of the universe -

Not possible. The Sun is much larger than the Earth, and gravity would not permit the Sun to orbit the Earth. The total distance the Sun moves due to the effect of the Earth is negligible with respect to the diameter of the Sun.

And photographs of the Sun and Earth taken from the outer solar system, shows that the size difference is what scientists found it to be.

btw what does Eccles 1:5 say to Catholics who are obliged to accept the literal and obvious interpretation - twinc

I doubt very much if the Hebrews actually thought the Sun had a place to rest in the far west.

The obvious interpretation is that the verse refers to the appearance of movement, not the actual motions of the Earth and Sun.

 

[twinc]

Perhaps you mean "revolve?" "Rotate" means spinning on an axis, like a top. "Revolve" means circling something.



Not possible. The Sun is much larger than the Earth, and gravity would not permit the Sun to orbit the Earth. The total distance the Sun moves due to the effect of the Earth is negligible with respect to the diameter of the Sun.

And photographs of the Sun and Earth taken from the outer solar system, shows that the size difference is what scientists found it to be.



I doubt very much if the Hebrews actually thought the Sun had a place to rest in the far west.

The obvious interpretation is that the verse refers to the appearance of movement, not the actual motions of the Earth and Sun.

herein is the great mistake - nothing to do with the Hebrews but with the creator of the sun and in control and aware of its movements - it is the universe[containing the sun] that orbits the earth as centre - via google see [The earth does not move] - where you are correct is that I did mean revolve not rotate - twinc

 

[twinc]

I get it. You are either a troll or very young. Ive never met anyone who actually is this serious or so in denial of science.

Good day to you.

of course you are wrong on both counts - being very old I have neither the time or inclination to troll etc - twinc

 

[Barbarian]

The Church does not claim that the Earth is the center of the universe, nor does it deny that the Earth revolves around the Sun. NASA launches spacecraft with the understanding that the Earth and other parts of the solar system orbit the Sun. And that works. An attempt to launch a probe with the idea that everything orbits the Earth would simply fail to place the probe where it was intended.

 

[twinc]

if the earth rotated or revolved the target would be missed - it does not move = www.galileowaswrong.com - twinc

 

[Pizza]

twinc, you are going about this all wrong. You are coming across as a kid who is trying to have fun with people, but who does not know enough about the topic to be persuasive or convincing. To learn how to effectively troll, I recommend www.theflatearthsociey.org and www.theflatearthsociety.org/forums/ I had a BLAST over there (until I was banned for criticizing Islam). I learned enough so that, when I want to, I can troll my own facebook page and convince LONG TIME friends that I've fallen off the deep end and bought into any sort of nonsense.

Also, you should never link to such weak sites as galileowaswrong.org - you are far ahead of the game if you come up with arguments on your own. (Even if you get all your ideas from a site like that, don't link to it. Your arguments will carry more weight if you claim them as your own.)

It is also a big mistake to drag the Catholic church into it - the Catholic's views are far to easy to substantiate and since they don't agree with what you are saying, it is a dead end to try to convince anyone otherwise. Your fun becomes rather offensive when you make this mistake - keep it all about YOU and people will not be offended, and will talk to you - it's way more fun that way.

 

[Free]

if the earth rotated or revolved the target would be missed - it does not move = www.galileowaswrong.com - twinc

No, not at all. You are not understanding the point that Barbarian is making.

If the Earth was still and everything revolved around it, that would be one set of calculations, and NASA would be able to place probes and such where they wanted to place them. However, the calculations that NASA uses quite different because they are based on everything revolving around the sun, including Earth. Because these calculations work, that is, the probes go where NASA wants them to go, this is proof that the earth really is revolving around the sun.

If the earth was still and NASA used the calculations they currently use, the targets would be missed.

 

[twinc]

No, not at all. You are not understanding the point that Barbarian is making.

If the Earth was still and everything revolved around it, that would be one set of calculations, and NASA would be able to place probes and such where they wanted to place them. However, the calculations that NASA uses quite different because they are based on everything revolving around the sun, including Earth. Because these calculations work, that is, the probes go where NASA wants them to go, this is proof that the earth really is revolving around the sun.

If the earth was still and NASA used the calculations they currently use, the targets would be missed.

do you know, for certain, the calculations NASA currently uses - would it be the same as the Chinese and Indians etc - twinc

 

[Free]

do you know, for certain, the calculations NASA currently uses - would it be the same as the Chinese and Indians etc - twinc

They're all likely the same but even if not, they would all be based on what science tells us--that the earth orbits the sun.

 

[twinc]

They're all likely the same but even if not, they would all be based on what science tells us--that the earth orbits the sun.

it seems you refer to yesterday's science which has now restored the science before that - via google see [it does not move] and www.galileowaswrong.com by the new Galileo/Sungenis - imho a modern genius - twinc

 

[Pizza]

Seriously, twinc, are you trolling?

NO ONE can believe the earth is standing still at the center of the universe or at the center of the solar system.

 

[Pizza]

Free, I had to copy your signature! ;)