Date Setting

[for_his_glory]

Everyone does the math and sets their dates of Christ return ever since Christ ascended up to the Father, but yet ignore what is written in Matthew 24:36-39.

Mat 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
Mat 24:37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Mat 24:38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
Mat 24:39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

These verses in Matthew 24:29-31 Jesus tells us exactly what to watch for in His second coming as His first coming was when he was born in Bethlehem.

Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.


The out pouring of the Holy Spirit was given on the day of Pentecost and continues even today with all who are baptized in the Baptism of Christ for the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. Joel prophesied the out pouring and it was fulfilled on the day of Pentecost when the Holy Spirit was sent down after Jesus ascended to sit at the right hand of God.

Joel 2:28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:
Joel 2:29 And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit.
Joel 2:30 And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke.
Joel 2:31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.
Joel 2:32 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.

Act 2:14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:
Act 2:15 For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.
Act 2:16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;
Act 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
Act 2:18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:

 

[miamited]

Everyone does? I guess I'm off a bit. I've never set a date for Jesus' return, only look for the season. Just as Jesus encouraged us.

"Now learn this parable from the fig tree: When its branch has already become tender and puts forth leaves, you know that summer is near. So you also, when you see all these things, know that it is near--at the doors!"

I believe that Jesus expects us to know when his return is right at the door, if I'm understanding his words here. As you have also pointed out, we should be aware of the events that herald the season of our Lord's return.

 

[Keraz]

Many seem to believe that the next event is the return of Jesus. This is not correct, as the clear sequence in Revelation shows. 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4; where it says that Jesus cannot come until the Adversary enthrones himself in the Temple. This means that the Temple must be rebuilt. How can that happen under the present situation? There must be a dramatic worldwide change and its cause and effects are told to us in over 100 Prophesies.

People say that ‘an essential requirement of the Return, is the Gospel preached throughout the world’. This will happen – it is the 144,000 who do that, Rev 7 & 13, Isaiah 66:21, they will be selected from all the Christian peoples who will by then be living in the new country of Beulah. That is what we should all be looking forward to and trusting the Lord for His protection during His soon to happen - terrible Day of vengeance and wrath; the Sixth Seal world wide disaster.
The Day which we really cannot know when it will happen.

 

[for_his_glory]

Many seem to believe that the next event is the return of Jesus. This is not correct, as the clear sequence in Revelation shows. 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4; where it says that Jesus cannot come until the Adversary enthrones himself in the Temple. This means that the Temple must be rebuilt. How can that happen under the present situation? There must be a dramatic worldwide change and its cause and effects are told to us in over 100 Prophesies.

People say that ‘an essential requirement of the Return, is the Gospel preached throughout the world’. This will happen – it is the 144,000 who do that, Rev 7 & 13, Isaiah 66:21, they will be selected from all the Christian peoples who will by then be living in the new country of Beulah. That is what we should all be looking forward to and trusting the Lord for His protection during His soon to happen - terrible Day of vengeance and wrath; the Sixth Seal world wide disaster.
The Day which we really cannot know when it will happen.

The cornerstone for the new Temple was brought to Jerusalem on May 21, 2009 and still remains on the street. "Jerusalem Day" in 1967 was to celebrate the liberation of the Temple Mount, but there is a problem there as the Doom of the Rock sits on the Temple Mount. Baruch Ben-Yosel , chairman of the Movement to Restore the Temple, made it clear that the Temple had to be built in the exact spot where the Dome of the Rock sits.

There will never be a third Temple built by hands, Acts 7:48; Acts 17:24. When the veil of the Temple was torn from top to bottom after Jesus gave up the ghost, Matthew 27:50, 51, this symbolized that the sacrifice of Jesus and the shedding of his blood was now made for the atonement of sin and that all, Jew and Gentile, can come before Him as He is the only way to the Father, John 14:6.

There is no more veil for the Priest to enter into the Holy of Holies once a year to make atonement for Israel's sin nor is there any more animal sacrifices as we are no longer under the Old Covenant nor the preaching of the law, but are under a new and better covenant of Gods grace through Christ Jesus as our High Priest, Hebrews 4:14-16. Jesus prophesied of the Temple being desolate and that no one will see Him again until His time comes meaning when He returns on the last day, Matthew 24:1, 2; Luke 13:34, 35, John 6:40.

God no longer dwells in a Temple made by hands and this is why God left it desolate all these years when it was destroyed by the Romans in 70 AD. Now the Dome of the Rock sits on part of the Temple Mount and was built around 692 AD. The Muslims will never give it over to Israel, plus the Dome of the Rock is being refurbished for the son of perdition (not a Muslim man) to come and sit on his throne and will cause a great falling away from truth, Isaiah 14:12-14; 2 Thessalonians 2:3-12.

Jesus fulfilled everything the temple stood for being the last sacrificial lamb taking away all the sin of the world. God no longer dwells in a temple made by hands, Acts 7:48-50; 17:22-31; Hebrews 10:7-18

Malachi 1:11 For from the rising of the sun even unto the going down of the same my name shall be great among the Gentiles; and in every place incense shall be offered unto my name, and a pure offering: for my name shall be great among the heathen, saith the LORD of hosts.

John 4:21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father. 22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. 23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. 24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

The church, (body of Christ) is the temple where God dwells by His Holy Spirit, Zechariah 6:9-15 (prophecy of coming Messiah); 1 Corinthians 3:16, 17; Ephesians 2:19-22, Galatians 3:19-29.

In 70AD the second temple was destroyed and put an end to the temple made by hands and the sacrifices made there. The Temple of God now dwells in all who are Spiritually born again and indwelled with the Holy Spirit, John 3:5-7; Romans 10:9, 10.

 

[Keraz]

In 70AD the second temple was destroyed and put an end to the temple made by hands and the sacrifices made there. The Temple of God now dwells in all who are Spiritually born again and indwelled with the Holy Spirit, John 3:5-7; Romans 10:9, 10.

Sure, that is our situation for most of this Christian era.
But plainly stated Prophecy tells us that will change. There has to be a new Temple for Daniel 9:27, 2 Thess 2:4 and many other scriptures to be fulfilled.

Jesus will Return to Jerusalem and will reign from the new Temple. Isaiah 2:1-4, Zechariah 14:16-21, +

 

[miamited]

There will never be a third Temple built by hands, Acts 7:48; Acts 17:24. When the veil of the Temple was torn from top to bottom after Jesus gave up the ghost, Matthew 27:50, 51, this symbolized that the sacrifice of Jesus and the shedding of his blood was now made for the atonement of sin and that all, Jew and Gentile, can come before Him as He is the only way to the Father, John 14:6.

Morning for_his_glory

While I agree wholeheartedly that there isn't any spiritual reason for a new temple to be built as far as our soon coming salvation is concerned, God deals in prophecy. He knows the end from the beginning. The majority of His people Israel, still haven't come around to the fact that Jesus, their Messiah, has already paid the price for their sin and opened up the way to the Father and His promise of eternal life.

So, consider that if the Scriptures speak of a third temple being built, that's just a prophecy that God has given us to know about things that the Jewish people will do in believing that what they are doing is honoring their God. It doesn't mean that somehow there 'has' to be a third temple built for God's plan of salvation to come to fruition. It's merely a prophecy that God has told us that His people the Jews will build a third temple. And it is likely given to us, if it is true, as a sign that the end is upon us because now the Jewish people have once again fulfilled a prophecy of the future unfolding of life on earth before Jesus' return. So, I would be careful in declaring that there won't be a third temple based solely on some idea that somehow it doesn't need to be built to complete God's work of salvation. It's just a prophecy of God telling us of things that will be happening on the earth as we march inexorably into the last of the latter days.

There does seem to be a strong movement among the Jewish community in Israel to build a third temple. I have read where they have already gathered together all of the necessary adornments and holy devices that would be a part of a newly built temple. So, it may well be that a third temple is built. No, it won't have squat to do with God's plan of salvation being made perfect. Yes, it will be something that God has prophesied to us will be happening and thus it will because that's what the Jewish people think they need to do to restore their pure worship of God back to Israel.

 

[miamited]

Baruch Ben-Yosel , chairman of the Movement to Restore the Temple, made it clear that the Temple had to be built in the exact spot where the Dome of the Rock sits.

Also, yes this Baruch Ben-Yosel may well have 'said' that the temple must be built exactly where the Dome of the Rock sits. That has yet to be proven out. The Jews may well make some kind of covenant that might last, oh, what, seven years with some power that will demolish the Dome of the Rock for them. Or they may decide that it's ok to build it where the wailing wall sits now and somehow move it just enough to still be on the temple mount, but not exactly where the Dome of the Rock sits, despite this Baruch Ben-Yosel saying that it 'must' be built on that spot. I'm just saying that despite what some people might say is the truth of the matter, only God really knows the truth of the matter. If God's word indicates or infers that a third temple will be built, then that third temple will be built. Now, will it be exactly where this Baruch Ben-Yosel says it has to be built is not quite so definite as what God says.

 

[for_his_glory]

Also, yes this Baruch Ben-Yosel may well have 'said' that the temple must be built exactly where the Dome of the Rock sits. That has yet to be proven out. The Jews may well make some kind of covenant that might last, oh, what, seven years with some power that will demolish the Dome of the Rock for them. Or they may decide that it's ok to build it where the wailing wall sits now and somehow move it just enough to still be on the temple mount, but not exactly where the Dome of the Rock sits, despite this Baruch Ben-Yosel saying that it 'must' be built on that spot. I'm just saying that despite what some people might say is the truth of the matter, only God really knows the truth of the matter. If God's word indicates or infers that a third temple will be built, then that third temple will be built. Now, will it be exactly where this Baruch Ben-Yosel says it has to be built is not quite so definite as what God says.

I'm just saying that the temple has to be built on the very same Temple mount, and I doubt that the Muslims will turn the mount back over to the Jews. What would be its purpose as scripture tells us there is no more Jew or Gentile and the Temple of God is within us. The only purpose of the Jews building a third Temple would be to worship God and bring back the Levitical laws and animal sacrifices that Jesus has already fulfilled as many Jews are still waiting for the Messiah to come. The Jews may have collected some of the furnishing of the old Temple, but the Ark of the Covenant that was lost after the Babylonians destroyed Jerusalem in 586BCE will never be found as there are no reliable records of where the Ark is as it still remains a mystery today. There are many theories, but just theories without facts.

Acts 7:47-52; Romans 12:1-2; Hebrews 9-10, Galatians 3:28-29; 1Corinthians 3:16, 6:19-20

 

[Dave Watchman]

Everyone does the math and sets their dates of Christ return ever since Christ ascended up to the Father, but yet ignore what is written in Matthew 24:36-39.

My math says it still has to be happening now. I'm not ignoring what Jesus said in Mathew 24, heaven forbid! It's just that we can't figure it out from the signs in the Gospels alone, we need the prophetic time periods from Daniel and Revelation.

Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

I think we're right on the verge of this. It has to be anytime now. But when it happens, there won't be a second trip for another rapture. It will be done.

I would not be waiting for a rebuilt temple. The Ark of his Covenant is not going to be seen in a rebuilt temple on earth. Revelation 11:19 suggests that the Ark of the Covenant is now in heaven and will not be seen again until the Temple in Heaven is opened.

"Then God’s temple in heaven was opened, and within his temple was seen the ark of his covenant. And there came flashes of lightning, rumblings, peals of thunder, an earthquake and a severe hailstorm."​

It might have happened in January. It could have happened in February. March. April is red hot. Wait for it.

I notice I have a Migration scheduled with Reba. February 25, 2017. You can say that again. The second great Exodus, a Migration to the Father's House with many rooms. The Revelation 12 sign predicted the beginning of the last heptad.

People like me, date setters, who were counting the heptads from 1535, based on the things Isaac Newton mentioned, are expecting it to be happening now. Other people, like Dr. Christian Widener, went to Jerusalem and found plaques which show 1537. They expect it to be soon. Both groups assume the first heptad count beginning in January in their respected years. In 1535 and 1537, the new year didn't begin in January. They were still using the Julian Calendar where New Years happened on March 25 to April 1. It wasn't until 1582 that Pope Gregory moved New Years to January.

Because I think the game is still quite very afoot, I don't know if I'm more spooked it's going to happen suddenly, or afraid that it won't happen. I think we're just counting the days. It could be any minute. Before April Fools Day.

I was looking at a note a guy was writing about New Years used to be March 25 to April 1. From 46BC to 1582AD, New Years was on April 1. So the Suliman Decree in 1535 would have had people used to an April 1 New Years Day. I don't think I would count on making it that far, or planning too many air plane rides. Spooky times.

When does the new year begin? Is it January 1 or April 1? For centuries, each new year began on April 1, the day designated by the Julian Calendar developed by Julius Caesar in 46 BC. Eight day New Year's celebrations started on March 25 and ended with large parties on April 1. In 1582, however, Pope Gregory XIII moved New Year's Day to January 1. He issued a papal bull requiring everyone to follow his system known as the Gregorian Calendar.​

Was the world ready for such a big change? Citizens in predominantly Catholic countries such as Spain, Portugal, and Italy obeyed Pope Gregory XIII and began to celebrate January 1 as the first day of a new year. Protesters who disagreed with pope's decision insisted on keeping April 1 as the date for their new year's celebrations. When these protesters took to the streets to dance, sing, and shout on April 1, they were called April Fools for having new year celebrations on what many believed to be the wrong day.​

Will the New Year Start on January 1 or April 1? The New Year Brings April Fools !

When does the new year begin? Is it January 1 or April 1? Learn the connections between New Year Celebrations and April Fools' Day.

www.catholic365.com

Jesus is obviously correct about only the Father can know the day and the precise hour. The Father has fixed a day. This is because Jesus would never blot out a name written in the Book of Life. Those names were already written there by the Father. (new babies are still being born now). Some of these are our brothers and our fellow servants. When Jesus appears, salvation is closed, we will be like Him, for we will see Him as He is. No humans will repopulate a millennium on earth.

Peaceful Sabbath.

 

[for_his_glory]

My math says it still has to be happening now. I'm not ignoring what Jesus said in Mathew 24, heaven forbid! It's just that we can't figure it out from the signs in the Gospels alone, we need the prophetic time periods from Daniel and Revelation.

I think we're right on the verge of this. It has to be anytime now. But when it happens, there won't be a second trip for another rapture. It will be done.

I would not be waiting for a rebuilt temple. The Ark of his Covenant is not going to be seen in a rebuilt temple on earth. Revelation 11:19 suggests that the Ark of the Covenant is now in heaven and will not be seen again until the Temple in Heaven is opened.

"Then God’s temple in heaven was opened, and within his temple was seen the ark of his covenant. And there came flashes of lightning, rumblings, peals of thunder, an earthquake and a severe hailstorm."​

It might have happened in January. It could have happened in February. March. April is red hot. Wait for it.

I notice I have a Migration scheduled with Reba. February 25, 2017. You can say that again. The second great Exodus, a Migration to the Father's House with many rooms. The Revelation 12 sign predicted the beginning of the last heptad.

People like me, date setters, who were counting the heptads from 1535, based on the things Isaac Newton mentioned, are expecting it to be happening now. Other people, like Dr. Christian Widener, went to Jerusalem and found plaques which show 1537. They expect it to be soon. Both groups assume the first heptad count beginning in January in their respected years. In 1535 and 1537, the new year didn't begin in January. They were still using the Julian Calendar where New Years happened on March 25 to April 1. It wasn't until 1582 that Pope Gregory moved New Years to January.

Because I think the game is still quite very afoot, I don't know if I'm more spooked it's going to happen suddenly, or afraid that it won't happen. I think we're just counting the days. It could be any minute. Before April Fools Day.

I was looking at a note a guy was writing about New Years used to be March 25 to April 1. From 46BC to 1582AD, New Years was on April 1. So the Suliman Decree in 1535 would have had people used to an April 1 New Years Day. I don't think I would count on making it that far, or planning too many air plane rides. Spooky times.

When does the new year begin? Is it January 1 or April 1? For centuries, each new year began on April 1, the day designated by the Julian Calendar developed by Julius Caesar in 46 BC. Eight day New Year's celebrations started on March 25 and ended with large parties on April 1. In 1582, however, Pope Gregory XIII moved New Year's Day to January 1. He issued a papal bull requiring everyone to follow his system known as the Gregorian Calendar.​

Was the world ready for such a big change? Citizens in predominantly Catholic countries such as Spain, Portugal, and Italy obeyed Pope Gregory XIII and began to celebrate January 1 as the first day of a new year. Protesters who disagreed with pope's decision insisted on keeping April 1 as the date for their new year's celebrations. When these protesters took to the streets to dance, sing, and shout on April 1, they were called April Fools for having new year celebrations on what many believed to be the wrong day.​

Will the New Year Start on January 1 or April 1? The New Year Brings April Fools !

When does the new year begin? Is it January 1 or April 1? Learn the connections between New Year Celebrations and April Fools' Day.

www.catholic365.com

Jesus is obviously correct about only the Father can know the day and the precise hour. The Father has fixed a day. This is because Jesus would never blot out a name written in the Book of Life. Those names were already written there by the Father. (new babies are still being born now). Some of these are our brothers and our fellow servants. When Jesus appears, salvation is closed, we will be like Him, for we will see Him as He is. No humans will repopulate a millennium on earth.

Peaceful Sabbath.

God's ways and timing are very different then that of a logical mind that says it is very soon, or yet a long way off, or whether it's pretrib or post-trib giving a physical actual date. But, scripture shows us that no one knows the day or the hour of Christ return. History has repeated itself many times so much that each century could have alluded one to set dates, but yet we are still here eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage waiting until Jesus returns in God's perfect timing. The important thing is to be prepared for His return like the ten virgins in Matthew 25:1-13.

Mat 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
Mat 24:37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Mat 24:38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
Mat 24:39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

 

[miamited]

Hi Carry_Your_Name

I'm just saying that the temple has to be built on the very same Temple mount,

But that may not be the truth of it when we get to that point where a new temple is built. There may be some work around that the Jews are satisfied to build off to the side, but I agree that the best desire is surely that the Dome of the Rock be removed from all of Israel. I'm considering that it could actually be the abomination on the wing of the temple. The Dome of the Rock, a structure built to glorify the muslim faith, is built right where the wing of the temple would likely be. How much of a stretch is it to consider that it is the abomination that causes desolation. But we just can't understand that that abomination may stand for a long, long time before God gets His vengeance. In fact, the Scriptures say that it will remain until the time of destruction that is poured out for it comes.

“forces from him shall appear and profane the temple and fortress, and shall take away the regular burnt offering. And they shall set up the abomination that makes desolate” (Daniel 11:31).

Now that verse could be telling us that the Roman military will take away the regular burnt offering by destroying the temple in 70 AD. It speaks of 'forces from him' which I assume to be meaning forces from Satan who rules this world. Then it says 'and', but there's no specific time that the 'and' is going to happen. So, 1900 years later 'and' 'they' shall set up the abomination that makes desolate'.

Now, I'm not declaring this to be the truth of this prophecy of Daniel, but it could be. The forces of the world (Satan) made an end to the regular burnt offering. I don't think there's any doubt that the destruction of the temple in 70 AD did that. Where else were the Jews going to carry out the regular burnt offering that was to be sacrificed every day to God and had been for hundreds of years? But the following claim that there will be an abomination that makes desolate doesn't have to be understood, according to the words written, as happening immediately after that time that the regular burnt offering is ended.

There will be a time that the regular burnt offering is ended
and
There will be a time that an abomination that brings desolation is set up.

There is not provable literary wording here that would make these two events to happen together or at the same time. They are just two events that God's word tells us will happen. One event 'and' another.

Just food for thought.

 

[Dave Watchman]

If I'm right, there's not enough time for a rebuilt temple. God probably put the Dome there so they wouldn't build another one ever again.

But that may not be the truth of it when we get to that point where a new temple is built. There may be some work around that the Jews are satisfied to build off to the side, but I agree that the best desire is surely that the Dome of the Rock be removed from all of Israel. I'm considering that it could actually be the abomination on the wing of the temple.

Daniel says abominations, plural, on the wing of multiple abominations. Like; murders, adultery, abortions, pornography, transgenderism, and same sex marriages.

The Dome of the Rock, a structure built to glorify the muslim faith, is built right where the wing of the temple would likely be. How much of a stretch is it to consider that it is the abomination that causes desolation. But we just can't understand that that abomination may stand for a long, long time before God gets His vengeance. In fact, the Scriptures say that it will remain until the time of destruction that is poured out for it comes.

My read is that the multiple "abominations" from Daniel 9:27, is different from the specific 1290 day "Abomination" from Daniel 12.

“forces from him shall appear and profane the temple and fortress, and shall take away the regular burnt offering. And they shall set up the abomination that makes desolate” (Daniel 11:31).

This was the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD. Daniel 11 is hard to get an end time chronology. There's not the prophetic time periods like in Chapters 9 and 12. In Daniel 11, I read our end times beginning after vs. 35: "until the time of the end; because it is still for the appointed time. Our modern end times begin with verse 36.

Now that verse could be telling us that the Roman military will take away the regular burnt offering by destroying the temple in 70 AD. It speaks of 'forces from him' which I assume to be meaning forces from Satan who rules this world. Then it says 'and', but there's no specific time that the 'and' is going to happen. So, 1900 years later 'and' 'they' shall set up the abomination that makes desolate'.

I read the 1290 day Abomination happening already, from 2015 to 2019. It's not a rebuilt temple.

Now, I'm not declaring this to be the truth of this prophecy of Daniel, but it could be. The forces of the world (Satan) made an end to the regular burnt offering. I don't think there's any doubt that the destruction of the temple in 70 AD did that.

I think you are actually correct here. But this was in the first century. This was just one of the services occurring in the temple, which was a copy of the real Temple in heaven. The "daily" or the "continual" remained in operation in Heaven's Temple.

Where else were the Jews going to carry out the regular burnt offering that was to be sacrificed every day to God and had been for hundreds of years? But the following claim that there will be an abomination that makes desolate doesn't have to be understood, according to the words written, as happening immediately after that time that the regular burnt offering is ended.

It's not the Jews. In the first century Jesus put an end to the the animal sacrifices at the brazen alter when the curtain was rent, but there was still a second service which continued in Heaven's temple at the alter of incense. This is also called the "continual", or the "daily" at the alter of incense. I believe this service ended in the scene where we saw the censer cast down at the alter of incense in Revelation 8. What I think that means is that the outer court was left out. It's just a really polite way of saying that we are past the close of probation. This has to be completed before Jesus comes, everyone alive either needs to be "marked" or "sealed". Because when He appears, we will be like Him. We are the inner court.

There will be a time that the regular burnt offering is ended
and

I agree this was in the first century at the destruction of Jerusalem when the curtain was rent.

There will be a time that an abomination that brings desolation is set up.

Summer 2015.
Stay tuned for desolation, sudden destruction.

There is not provable literary wording here that would make these two events to happen together or at the same time. They are just two events that God's word tells us will happen. One event 'and' another.

Right. No provable literary wording.

Because there's always two things happening with apocalyptic prophecy like in Daniel and Revelation. You've got 1)the prophecy, and 2)the prophetic time period. It's the prophetic time period that has to come first. Price action makes for market commentary. Trade the charts, do not trade a story. There's too many stories out there. The pilot flies by instrumentation, when poor visibility precludes VFR. We see through a glass dimly. Our charts, gauges or technical analysis has to be in the 18 prophetic time periods in Daniel and Revelation.

Find the 7 and 62 weeks, again in our end times, and, like the 3 wise men, we'll know when to be looking for His star in the east. Find the 5 months from Revelation 9, and we'll know that the vials are almost past.

"But in the middle of the week​

He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.​

I think this was the last of the Temple services in Heaven. Jesus put an end to ALL the sacrifices and offerings. The casting down of the censer in Revelation 8 at the alter of incense was the last one. About half ways through 2021. Maybe 3/4s through 2021.

I continue to say that the cries from these stones, or from the decree to build them in 1535, are reaching their crescendo now. It has to be happening now. I read of a delay, there will be no more delay and the Master was delayed. If we are in this delay, I wouldn't bank on it being too much longer. It has to be happening now.

Peaceful Sabbath.

 

[Hopeful 2]

Everyone does the math and sets their dates of Christ return ever since Christ ascended up to the Father, but yet ignore what is written in Matthew 24:36-39.

Mat 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
Mat 24:37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Mat 24:38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
Mat 24:39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

These verses in Matthew 24:29-31 Jesus tells us exactly what to watch for in His second coming as His first coming was when he was born in Bethlehem.

Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.


The out pouring of the Holy Spirit was given on the day of Pentecost and continues even today with all who are baptized in the Baptism of Christ for the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. Joel prophesied the out pouring and it was fulfilled on the day of Pentecost when the Holy Spirit was sent down after Jesus ascended to sit at the right hand of God.

Joel 2:28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:
Joel 2:29 And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit.
Joel 2:30 And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke.
Joel 2:31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.
Joel 2:32 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.

Act 2:14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:
Act 2:15 For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.
Act 2:16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;
Act 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
Act 2:18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:

While I will admit that it was people who were fixated on the "end of the game" that sparked my interest in Christianity, and I am grateful for that; I found out later that they had been so focused on their "touch-down dance", that they had lost sight of the fact that they had 100 yards of "defense" to overcome first.

 

[Dave Watchman]

While I will admit that it was people who were fixated on the "end of the game" that sparked my interest in Christianity, and I am grateful for that; I found out later that they had been so focused on their "touch-down dance", that they had lost sight of the fact that they had 100 yards of "defense" to overcome first.

The football analogy is a pretty good one. I was at this since 2013. So I was around for the 2017 Revelation 12 sign people, which really wasn't my thing. But I was watching with them for 2018.

My people were looking for something else to start in 2018, based on the Isaac Newton comentary and a decree occurring in 1535 to restore Jerusalem. When nothing seemed to happen from the Hal Lindsey style playbook that year, a writer did an article on fivedoves about the sabils in the Old City of Jerusalem. These are basically drinking fountains. There's several of them. They have stone plaques engraved with the year 1536.

People like me, date setters, who were counting the heptads from 1535, based on the things Isaac Newton mentioned, are expecting it to be happening now. Other people, like Dr. Christian Widener, went to Jerusalem and found plaques which show 1537. They expect it to be soon. Both groups assume the first heptad count beginning in January in their respected years. In 1535 and 1537, the new year didn't begin in January. They were still using the Julian Calendar where New Years happened on March 25 to April 1. It wasn't until 1582 that Pope Gregory moved New Years to January.

Dr. Christian Widener is doing a similar thing using other plaques he found engraved with 1537.

From the Wiki link:, "In 1535, when Jerusalem was part of the Ottoman Empire, Sultan Suleiman the Magnificent ordered the ruined city walls to be rebuilt. The walls were constructed between 1537 and 1541. The walls are visible on most old maps of Jerusalem over the last 1,500 years.

It's from the going forth of the command itself, not the construction and not the completion.

62 weeks after 1535, in 1969, Levi Eshkol made a second decree to restore the Old City of Jerusalem after it had been recaptured during the 1967 war.

Here is a quick video from Moshe Cohen with some scriptural proofs of two sets of 70 in Daniel 9. Although he thinks the first set of 70 is the 70 year captivity. Lol.

And here is Dr. Christian's video with his idea of 2027:

I still think that it's happening now in 2025.

At this point, I tend to think that the time to post the empirical is past. I don't take it lightly when I say it has to be happening now. I know some of you have been around for a long time. I hope we all can see it happen.

Peaceful Sabbath.

 

[for_his_glory]

The football analogy is a pretty good one. I was at this since 2013. So I was around for the 2017 Revelation 12 sign people, which really wasn't my thing. But I was watching with them for 2018.

My people were looking for something else to start in 2018, based on the Isaac Newton comentary and a decree occurring in 1535 to restore Jerusalem. When nothing seemed to happen from the Hal Lindsey style playbook that year, a writer did an article on fivedoves about the sabils in the Old City of Jerusalem. These are basically drinking fountains. There's several of them. They have stone plaques engraved with the year 1536.

Dr. Christian Widener is doing a similar thing using other plaques he found engraved with 1537.

From the Wiki link:, "In 1535, when Jerusalem was part of the Ottoman Empire, Sultan Suleiman the Magnificent ordered the ruined city walls to be rebuilt. The walls were constructed between 1537 and 1541. The walls are visible on most old maps of Jerusalem over the last 1,500 years.

It's from the going forth of the command itself, not the construction and not the completion.

62 weeks after 1535, in 1969, Levi Eshkol made a second decree to restore the Old City of Jerusalem after it had been recaptured during the 1967 war.

Here is a quick video from Moshe Cohen with some scriptural proofs of two sets of 70 in Daniel 9. Although he thinks the first set of 70 is the 70 year captivity. Lol.

And here is Dr. Christian's video with his idea of 2027:

I still think that it's happening now in 2025.

At this point, I tend to think that the time to post the empirical is past. I don't take it lightly when I say it has to be happening now. I know some of you have been around for a long time. I hope we all can see it happen.

Peaceful Sabbath.

Your post is what I am talking about being one who sets dates, but ignores what Matthew 24:29-31 and Matthew 24:36-40. Are we going to believe what man tries to explain, or are we going to believe what Jesus has already spoken.

 

[for_his_glory]

If I'm right, there's not enough time for a rebuilt temple. God probably put the Dome there so they wouldn't build another one ever again.

Daniel says abominations, plural, on the wing of multiple abominations. Like; murders, adultery, abortions, pornography, transgenderism, and same sex marriages.

My read is that the multiple "abominations" from Daniel 9:27, is different from the specific 1290 day "Abomination" from Daniel 12.

This was the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD. Daniel 11 is hard to get an end time chronology. There's not the prophetic time periods like in Chapters 9 and 12. In Daniel 11, I read our end times beginning after vs. 35: "until the time of the end; because it is still for the appointed time. Our modern end times begin with verse 36.

I read the 1290 day Abomination happening already, from 2015 to 2019. It's not a rebuilt temple.

I think you are actually correct here. But this was in the first century. This was just one of the services occurring in the temple, which was a copy of the real Temple in heaven. The "daily" or the "continual" remained in operation in Heaven's Temple.

It's not the Jews. In the first century Jesus put an end to the the animal sacrifices at the brazen alter when the curtain was rent, but there was still a second service which continued in Heaven's temple at the alter of incense. This is also called the "continual", or the "daily" at the alter of incense. I believe this service ended in the scene where we saw the censer cast down at the alter of incense in Revelation 8. What I think that means is that the outer court was left out. It's just a really polite way of saying that we are past the close of probation. This has to be completed before Jesus comes, everyone alive either needs to be "marked" or "sealed". Because when He appears, we will be like Him. We are the inner court.

I agree this was in the first century at the destruction of Jerusalem when the curtain was rent.

Summer 2015.
Stay tuned for desolation, sudden destruction.

Right. No provable literary wording.

Because there's always two things happening with apocalyptic prophecy like in Daniel and Revelation. You've got 1)the prophecy, and 2)the prophetic time period. It's the prophetic time period that has to come first. Price action makes for market commentary. Trade the charts, do not trade a story. There's too many stories out there. The pilot flies by instrumentation, when poor visibility precludes VFR. We see through a glass dimly. Our charts, gauges or technical analysis has to be in the 18 prophetic time periods in Daniel and Revelation.

Find the 7 and 62 weeks, again in our end times, and, like the 3 wise men, we'll know when to be looking for His star in the east. Find the 5 months from Revelation 9, and we'll know that the vials are almost past.

"But in the middle of the week​

He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.​

I think this was the last of the Temple services in Heaven. Jesus put an end to ALL the sacrifices and offerings. The casting down of the censer in Revelation 8 at the alter of incense was the last one. About half ways through 2021. Maybe 3/4s through 2021.

I continue to say that the cries from these stones, or from the decree to build them in 1535, are reaching their crescendo now. It has to be happening now. I read of a delay, there will be no more delay and the Master was delayed. If we are in this delay, I wouldn't bank on it being too much longer. It has to be happening now.

Peaceful Sabbath.

God no longer dwells in a Temple made by hands and this is why God left it desolate all these years when it was destroyed by the Romans in 70 AD. Now the Dome of the Rock sits on part of the Temple Mount and was built around 692 AD. The Muslims will never give it over to Israel, plus the Dome of the Rock is being refurbished for the son of perdition (not a Muslim man) to come and sit on his throne and will cause a great falling away from truth, Isaiah 14:12-14; 2 Thessalonians 2:3-12.

Jesus fulfilled everything the temple stood for being the last sacrificial lamb taking away all the sin of the world. God no longer dwells in a temple made by hands, Acts 7:48-50; 17:22-31; Hebrews 10:7-18

Malachi 1:11 For from the rising of the sun even unto the going down of the same my name shall be great among the Gentiles; and in every place incense shall be offered unto my name, and a pure offering: for my name shall be great among the heathen, saith the LORD of hosts.

John 4:21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father. 22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. 23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. 24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

The church, (body of Christ) is the temple where God dwells by His Holy Spirit, Zechariah 6:9-15 (prophecy of coming Messiah); 1 Corinthians 3:16, 17; Ephesians 2:19-22, Galatians 3:19-29.

In 70AD the second temple was destroyed and put an end to the temple made by hands and the sacrifices made there. The Temple of God now dwells in all who are Spiritually born again and indwelled with the Holy Spirit, John 3:5-7; Romans 10:9, 10.