Dorothy Mae
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The doctrine of total
depravity relieves a man of responsibility for his choices. It’s God’s fault a man is not choosing to believe.
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depravity relieves a man of responsibility for his choices. It’s God’s fault a man is not choosing to believe.
Dorothy Mae
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How do men manage to believe Buddha, Mohammed, Joseph Smith and a host of liars? Why can they believe lies but not the truth?
I can quote you countless scriptures where Jesus
1) told people to believe
2) Complimented them on their faith
3) criticized them for not believing
You cannot show me ONE where Jesus thanked God that a man believed …not one.
He thanked God that He had reveled understanding to men, not that He gave them faith.
Dorothy Mae
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Pretty sure Paul isn’t talking about babies. He wasn’t writing that babies are natural as though there’s another option.
We done for now. You keep evading my question.
Are babies human beings ? When Eve had a son she called him a man Gen 4:1
And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the Lord. But now we know cain was a baby !
Dorothy Mae
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Is this a serious question???? Do you not know or are you retreating to the obvious?
I guess this was a serious question. This is not going to be a debate between equals. I not only know babies are human beings, I know a great about their internal organs as well as their immune system. You are out-gunned, I’m afraid.
Dorothy Mae
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Your questions demonstrate a disconnect between the obvious and food for thought. But you can retreat. I have no problem providing ADULT intellectual information as a response.
Dorothy Mae
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Jesus might have told him to give up his political power and follow Him.
That would have been like Jesus talking to Nicodemus. A bit pointless.
Nicodemus just did not understand.
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Neither did Nichodemous want to change, he was rich and, he liked his religion, the religion of the Pharisees better. He was not for turning. It was pointless talking to him. And, he was exercising FREE WILL, which Calvinists deny. What is the point of going on and on?
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journeyman
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But by "natural man" not receiving the gospel, Paul doesn't mean everyone born on earth. He means people who reject the gospel in favor of their own desires,
they...became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Rom.1:21
He's saying they weren't created that way to begin with. They "became" that way.
journeyman
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Well put.
journeyman
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Not to get sidetracked, but Nicodemus is seen defending Jesus' right to be heard and later shows up at the tomb. I think he became a believer.
There is hope yet.
By natural I mean not born again, flesh, unregenerate, not spiritual, dead in sin.
Dorothy Mae
Member
That never stopped Jesus.
journeyman
Member
That's our good news.
journeyman
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I know what you mean. If what you believe is true, then our hearts don't become darkened over time. You're saying the hearts of mankind are dark to begin with.
Our Savior told us,
unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. Mt.18:3
Because the hearts of little children aren't dark.
Dorothy Mae
Member
Brilliant!