Did Mary consent to our salvation?

[donadams]

If the catholics are "subject to the King", why are there confessionals in every catholic church ?

Jn 20:21-23
21 Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you.

22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:

23 Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.


1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

 

[Hopeful 2]

No creature has ever had a family relationship with God except Mary:

You may have forgotten that the reborn come from God's seed. (1 John 3:9)
He is the Father of every Christian.

And She has three:
Daughter of the eternal Father.
Mother of the Son of God.
Spouse of the Holy Spirit.

I gave up on the catholic's lies long ago.
None of them could make me a non-sinner.
Don't waste your time running then past me again.

 

[Hopeful 2]

I’m not sure I comprehend your finding a disconnect here?

If they are "subject" how come they all still commit sin ?

 

[Hopeful 2]

Why are statues somehow forbidden?

It is idolatry.

 

[donadams]

You may have forgotten that the reborn come from God's seed. (1 John 3:9)
He is the Father of every Christian.

I gave up on the catholic's lies long ago.
None of them could make me a non-sinner.
Don't waste your time running then past me again.

Did Christ found a church or not?

 

[donadams]

If they are "subject" how come they all still commit sin ?

Fallen human nature

 

[donadams]

It is idolatry.

Idolatry requires worship
Worship requires intent!

The ark of the covenant had angel statues

 

[donadams]

The

It is idolatry.

church has history and decrees of councils ya know!

this matter was settled 1300 years ago when the apostolic church condemned the iconaclast heresy in the 2nd council of nicea
Images not forbidden but worship of them is forbidden by the 1 st commandment ex 20:2-6

 

[Simons]

Only a queen can bear a king!

so Saul’s mother was a queen? ….and David’s mother was also a queen? Your post is so full of over-the-top claims that it is ridiculous.

A Royal greeting! Lk 1:28 is the only place in the Bible where such a greeting takes place! … In scripture only Jesus and Mary are greeted with: “Hail”! Cos they are the royal King and Queen of heaven!.

the word in Luke 1:28 that you designate as “hail” (other translations use “greetings”) is Chaire (Strong’s 5463) (a verb, second person singular) and the second person plural of that verb is used by Jesus in Matthew 28:9 when greeting his disciples….does that make all his disciples kings and queens?

This is a Royal greeting of the queen of heaven and earth!

it is simply not a “royal greeting”. Please show me a reputable scholar who makes this claim!

Lk 1:32-33 the queen mother sits at His right hand and receives the petitions of the members of the kingdom!

one can only wonder why the sons of Zebedee asked this of Jesus: “Let one of us sit at your right and the other at your left in your glory.”….shouldn’t they have known that the right hand spot belonged to Mary?

The mother of any king is automatically queen and rules half the kingdom!

Please show me a reputable scholar who makes this claim!

Jesus the new king carried His ark to the heavenly Jerusalem! Rev 12:1

(Assumption of Mary into heaven and crowned with glory!)

So Jesus carried Mary to heaven in Rev. 12:1? ….when she was pregnant and about to give birth, …that is when you think the Assumption of Mary occurred? When one examines the various claims contained in your posts those claims just break down into nonsense.

 

[Hopeful 2]

Did Christ found a church or not?

Yes, He did.
It was founded on the fact that Jesus is the Son of God.

 

[Hopeful 2]

Fallen human nature

That would indicate both non-repentance from sin and non-rebirth from God's seed.
People who continue to walk in and after the "flesh" have not "crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts" (Gal 5:24).

 

[Hopeful 2]

Idolatry requires worship
Worship requires intent!

Agreed.
Elevating somebody to the level of Jesus Christ, is idolatry.

The ark of the covenant had angel statues

Do you also worship the ark ?

 

[Hopeful 2]

The

church has history and decrees of councils ya know!

this matter was settled 1300 years ago when the apostolic church condemned the iconaclast heresy in the 2nd council of nicea
Images not forbidden but worship of them is forbidden by the 1 st commandment ex 20:2-6

Yet the statues and pictures continue to hold sway over your own councils.

 

[KV-44-v1]

Spiritual Mother!

A marvelous thing!
A miraculous action!
A wonder!
An awe inspiring declaration!

Behold thy mother!

Where is this in the Bible?
Nobody believed such things until catholicism made it up.
Beware of "other Gospels" that elevate a dead girl into things she isn't.
You exaggerate HOW blessed Mary was. But solid Bible-based Christians don't do this exaggeration.

 

[donadams]

so Saul’s mother was a queen? ….and David’s mother was also a queen? Your post is so full of over-the-top claims that it is ridiculous.


the word in Luke 1:28 that you designate as “hail” (other translations use “greetings”) is Chaire (Strong’s 5463) (a verb, second person singular) and the second person plural of that verb is used by Jesus in Matthew 28:9 when greeting his disciples….does that make all his disciples kings and queens?


it is simply not a “royal greeting”. Please show me a reputable scholar who makes this claim!


one can only wonder why the sons of Zebedee asked this of Jesus: “Let one of us sit at your right and the other at your left in your glory.”….shouldn’t they have known that the right hand spot belonged to Mary?




Please show me a reputable scholar who makes this claim!




So Jesus carried Mary to heaven in Rev. 12:1? ….when she was pregnant and about to give birth, …that is when you think the Assumption of Mary occurred? When one examines the various claims contained in your posts those claims just break down into nonsense.

In the line of king David the mother of the king is the queen, as Jesus Christ is the king of heaven and earth and the angels and saints so Mary is the queen of the same! Lk 1:32-33 the queen mother sits at His right hand and receives the petitions of the members of the kingdom!

1 kings 2:19 Bathsheba therefore went unto king Solomon, to speak unto him for Adonijah. And the king rose up to meet her, and bowed himself unto her, and sat down on his throne, and caused a seat to be set for the king's mother; and she sat on his right hand.

Lk 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

Heb 4:16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.
Mary’s throne! Lk 1:28 “full
Of grace”!

Protestant translation

Lk 1:28 And the angel entered to her, and said, Hail, full of grace; the Lord is with thee; blessed be thou among women.

Wycliffe Bible

Now a question: why is she blessed?

 

[donadams]

Yes, He did.
It was founded on the fact that Jesus is the Son of God.

For what purpose?

 

[donadams]

That would indicate both non-repentance from sin and non-rebirth from God's seed.
People who continue to walk in and after the "flesh" have not "crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts" (Gal 5:24).

We are not restored back to the state of the garden till we are saved

 

[donadams]

Agreed.
Elevating somebody to the level of Jesus Christ, is idolatry.

Do you also worship the ark ?

Never said Mary is equal to christ
Only God may be lawfully worshipped!

 

[donadams]

The

Yet the statues and pictures continue to hold sway over your own councils.

council condemned the iconoclast heresy that said no images, not images

 

[donadams]

Where is this in the Bible?
Nobody believed such things until catholicism made it up.
Beware of "other Gospels" that elevate a dead girl into things she isn't.
You exaggerate HOW blessed Mary was. But solid Bible-based Christians don't do this exaggeration.

Where in the Bible does it say that everything Christ did and taught, or everything we are to believe is restricted to the Bible. (read John 21:25, that says that not everything Christ did and taught is in the Bible. Yet Matt. 28:20 has Christ commanding the Apostles to teach all that He taught them. In fact, the New Testament wasn't decided until the late 4th century, when the Catholic Church went through over 300+ documents, praying to the Holy Spirit for guidance, and coming up with the 27 books we all agree on are the New Testament.

Christ didn't write a book to spread His truths, He founded a (one) Church, the Catholic Church, to do so. It would have been useless to found a Church based on a book, since the vast, vast majority of humanity was illiterate for the first 18+ centuries of Christianity. That would have effectively eliminated 95+% of humanity from learning Christ's message.

You might also review 2 Peter 1:20-21, where St. Peter warns against personal interpretation of Scripture.


Original KJV had the 73 books of the
Cannon approved by the council of Rome and promulgated by papal authority in 381!

The authority of Christ in His apostolic church gave is the authentic scriptures, and the authentic interpretation!

For hundreds of years the authority of Christ acted and operated in His apostolic church without scripture, and the apostolic church wrote the New Testament.

The apostolic church is not dependent upon scripture:
The apostolic church does not need scripture to know truth, Christ taught “all truth” Jude 1:3 to His apostolic church in person for three years, the church does not need scripture to exercise her authority from Christ to teach and sanctify all nations unto eternal salvation, and to govern the church.

“Christ founded a church to teach and sanctify all men unto
Eternal salvation”: Matt 28:28 Lk 1:4 acts 1:8, 2:42, 8:31 Jn 16:13, 20:21-23 Matt 18:17 1 Tim 3:16
1 Jn 1:4