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Dave Slayer
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Did the early Church speak in tongues? I have heard that up until about 100 years ago, no one was speaking in tongues. If that is true, why the all of a sudden explosion?
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Imagican said:Dave,
Christ died for EVERYONE. That most will refuse to accept it does not alter the FACT.
The Early Church would have contained ANYONE that chose to follow in truth.
There are usually NOT MANY that would be a PART Of The Body that did NOT ALREADY understand the message of Christ. So IN THE CHURCH, the ONLY reason that 'tongues' would have been used would have been IF, for some reason, there were UNBELIEVERS attending. Then one would have a reason to speak to them in their OWN language as a 'sign' that God is real.
Read The Word. I do NOT recall a SINGLE instance where 'tongues' were USED in The Body, or Church.
The 'tongues' that are used today didn't even EXIST in most areas of the world. For the ONLY instance that we have in our possession concerning a misuse of tongues involved those in Corinth.
What does PAUL say concerning 'tongues' IN THE CHURCH? He says that he is in possession of the 'gift of tongues' MORE THAN THEM ALL, (indicating not just any individual, but the COLLECTIVE CHURCH IN CORINTH), but IN THE CHURCH, he had RATHER speak FIVE words with the understanding than 10,000 words in an UNKNOWN TONGUE. Now, if this is NOT a PERFECT indication of the TRUTH then I don't know what else to offer.
Blessings,
MEC
Dave Slayer said:Did the early Church speak in tongues? I have heard that up until about 100 years ago, no one was speaking in tongues. If that is true, why the all of a sudden explosion?
Alabaster said:Dave Slayer said:Did the early Church speak in tongues? I have heard that up until about 100 years ago, no one was speaking in tongues. If that is true, why the all of a sudden explosion?
Yes they did!
People who are filled witht he Spirit will do so, and they have always done so over the ages. It was not a common thing because the Holy Spirit was obviously quenched or hindered in the dark ages. We see it more now and that is the way it should be, because we are seeing people discovering the freedom that Christ came to give us in worship and in walking in the gifts He gives. In the past, these things were misunderstood and lost because there was this monstrous institution that the church had become, that oppressed and denied.
Now, the Church of Jesus Christ knows who she is--the Bride of Christ worldwide, and we are free to be filled with the Holy Spirit and walk in His gifts as the early Church did, and as God has designed it. I thank God for that.
Imagican said:Alabaster said:Dave Slayer said:Did the early Church speak in tongues? I have heard that up until about 100 years ago, no one was speaking in tongues. If that is true, why the all of a sudden explosion?
Yes they did!
People who are filled witht he Spirit will do so, and they have always done so over the ages. It was not a common thing because the Holy Spirit was obviously quenched or hindered in the dark ages. We see it more now and that is the way it should be, because we are seeing people discovering the freedom that Christ came to give us in worship and in walking in the gifts He gives. In the past, these things were misunderstood and lost because there was this monstrous institution that the church had become, that oppressed and denied.
Now, the Church of Jesus Christ knows who she is--the Bride of Christ worldwide, and we are free to be filled with the Holy Spirit and walk in His gifts as the early Church did, and as God has designed it. I thank God for that.
While the words that you have offered SOUND GOOD, they have NO BASIS in history or scripture.
You say that 'an institution' somehow STIFFLED the Spirit of Christ. That is utterly FALSE.
While 'an institution' may well have dominated 'religion' and instituted much that is contrary to truth, that does NOT alter the FACT that we were TOLD that there would ALWAYS remain a 'remnant' of them that ARE faithful IN TRUTH.
Now, history shows that 'tongues CEASED'. Whether you accept this or not, it is truth.
Perhaps the 'tongues' that we discuss are 'different tongues'. Perhaps you are promoting the 'gibberish' that some churches CALL 'tongues'.
If this is the case, then it's irrelevant whether they EVER existed. For they never existed scripturally or in truth.
Blessings,
MEC
Dave Slayer said:Did the early Church speak in tongues? I have heard that up until about 100 years ago, no one was speaking in tongues. If that is true, why the all of a sudden explosion?
While I dont trust them for doctrine, I do like to run thru the teaching of the Early church 'fathers' to see what topics they were bickering about. I may run thru my stuff tonite and see what sort of references to tongues there may be in their works.Dave Slayer said:Did the early Church speak in tongues? I have heard that up until about 100 years ago, no one was speaking in tongues. If that is true, why the all of a sudden explosion?
Tongues is for a sign for those who believe not.radorth said:Dave Slayer said:Did the early Church speak in tongues? I have heard that up until about 100 years ago, no one was speaking in tongues. If that is true, why the all of a sudden explosion?
People read the Bible and decided to test what the John Mac Arthurs were asserting was the absolute truth? Or like me, they just woke up speaking in tongues spontaneously one night?
You go by what you heard "somewhere" instead.
Brothers, do not be children in your minds, but in malice be like infants, and in your minds be mature. In the Law it is written, "By other tongues and other lips I will speak to this people, and even so they will not hear Me, says the Lord."
So that tongues are not a sign to those who believe, but to those who do not believe. But prophesying is not to those who do not believe, but to those who believe.
(1Co 14:20-22)
These seemingly believe that they WERE His, but for all their supposed miraculous acts they WERENT."Not everyone who keeps saying to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will get into the kingdom of heaven, but only the person who keeps doing the will of my Father in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, we prophesied in your name, drove out demons in your name, and performed many miracles in your name, didn't we?' Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Get away from me, you evildoers!'"
(Mat 7:21-23)
Either way Christs response is what is pretty frightening.mutzrein said:MEC - may I suggest that you are putting a wrong spin on this. It is not that they are worshipping another Christ, but that they believe what is necessary to 'worship' or follow Christ is to 'do' (out of compliance) what the real worshippers do naturally. It is the difference between the sheep and the goats.