Did the Son have a beginning?

[JesusFan]

Brothers and sisters in Christ, today I want to pose a question that has pondered theologians for centuries: Did the Son of God, Jesus Christ our Lord, have a beginning? We all know from Scripture that Jesus walked among us, that He is the Word made flesh (John 1:14). But when we delve into the mystery of the God, we grapple with passages that hint at Jesus' pre-incarnate existence (Colossians 1:15-17). What do you all make of this?

Colossians 1:15, "Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature,"
Colossians 1:16, "For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:"
Colossians 1:17, "And he is before all things, and by him all things consist."

Perhaps some of you have come across teachings that explore Jesus' eternal nature. Maybe others have questions about how this aligns with God the Father being the one and only God (Deuteronomy 6:4).

I believe this is a topic approached best with humility and a teachable spirit. Let's open the floor to respectful discussion, using scripture as our guide, and ultimately glorifying God through our pursuit of understanding His holy nature.

Jesus is fully God and also fully Man, so he eternally existed before the Incarnation as Deity, and when was conceived in Mary, assumed sinless human nature and flesh, so as Deity always has existed, as Human came into exiting while conceived in Mary womb

 

[locust]

Jesus is fully God and also fully Man, so he eternally existed before the Incarnation as Deity, and when was conceived in Mary, assumed sinless human nature and flesh, so as Deity always has existed, as Human came into exiting while conceived in Mary womb

if Jesus was fully God why ,why would he pray to a higher God

 

[Exeter]

if Jesus was fully God why ,why would he pray to a higher God

Because He was God Incarnate, and thus the Son of God on Earth, with His Father, God Invisible being in Heaven. There is a lot of communication between then according to the Bible.

Here are several key scriptures that reference communication between God Incarnate on Earth (Jesus Christ) and God Invisible in Heaven, revealing a profound theological dialogue within the Trinity:

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Direct Communication Between Jesus and the Father

• John 11:41–42
  
  

  “Father, I thank You that You have heard Me. I knew that You always hear Me, but I said this for the benefit of the people standing here…”
  Jesus speaks aloud to the Father before raising Lazarus, demonstrating both intimacy and intentional public witness.

• John 17 (The High Priestly Prayer)
  This entire chapter is a direct prayer from Jesus to the Father, expressing unity, mission, and intercession for His disciples and future believers.
• Matthew 26:39
  
  

  “My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from Me. Yet not as I will, but as You will.”
  In Gethsemane, Jesus communicates His anguish and submission to the Father’s will.

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Jesus Revealing the Invisible God​

• John 1:18
  
  

  “No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is Himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made Him known.”
  This verse affirms that Jesus, though incarnate, reveals the unseen God.

• Colossians 1:15
  
  

  “He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.”
  Jesus is portrayed as the visible manifestation of the invisible divine.

• John 5:19
  
  

  “The Son can do nothing by Himself; He can do only what He sees His Father doing…”
  This shows a continuous, perceptive communication between Jesus and the Father.

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Testimony and Voice from Heaven​

• Matthew 3:17 (Baptism of Jesus)
  
  

  “And a voice from heaven said, ‘This is My Son, whom I love; with Him I am well pleased.’”
  The Father audibly affirms Jesus from heaven.

• John 12:28–30
  
  

  “‘Father, glorify Your name!’ Then a voice came from heaven, ‘I have glorified it, and will glorify it again.’”
  The crowd hears the Father respond audibly to Jesus.

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Theological Reflections on the Invisible God​

• Romans 1:20
  
  

  “For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—His eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen…”
  Though invisible, God communicates through creation and is made known through Christ.

• 1 Timothy 1:17
  
  

  “Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory forever and ever.”
  This doxology praises the unseen nature of God, whom Jesus reveals.

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If you’re weaving this into a symbolic or allegorical framework, the interplay between visibility and invisibility, speech and silence, and submission and sovereignty offers rich terrain.

 

[locust]

Because He was God Incarnate, and thus the Son of God on Earth, with His Father, God Invisible being in Heaven. There is a lot of communication between then according to the Bible.

Here are several key scriptures that reference communication between God Incarnate on Earth (Jesus Christ) and God Invisible in Heaven, revealing a profound theological dialogue within the Trinity:

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Direct Communication Between Jesus and the Father

• John 11:41–42
  
  
• John 17 (The High Priestly Prayer)
  This entire chapter is a direct prayer from Jesus to the Father, expressing unity, mission, and intercession for His disciples and future believers.
• Matthew 26:39
  

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Jesus Revealing the Invisible God​

• John 1:18
  
  
• Colossians 1:15
  
  
• John 5:19
  

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Testimony and Voice from Heaven​

• Matthew 3:17 (Baptism of Jesus)
  
  
• John 12:28–30
  

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Theological Reflections on the Invisible God​

• Romans 1:20
  
  
• 1 Timothy 1:17
  

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If you’re weaving this into a symbolic or allegorical framework, the interplay between visibility and invisibility, speech and silence, and submission and sovereignty offers rich terrain.

can ya show scripture that says he was God Incarnate ?

 

[Randy]

if Jesus was fully God why ,why would he pray to a higher God

He's not the Father who He calls the only true God.

In the context of oneness that is He and the Father are One He is God but the Deity in Him was not His spirit but the Fathers. The Fathers works He performed testify that He and the Father are one. The Spirit of the Father acted on Jesus's point of will as if He were the Father Himself. Mighty God.

The men were amazed and asked, “What kind of man is this? Even the winds and the waves obey him!”

The spirit of the firstborn from the beginning of creation in human flesh, the Son of Man, had to learn to rely on God as a man. At His baptism the Spirit of the Father came down and remained on Him. He was clothed with power outward and inward the Deity of the Father dwells/lives. He was loaded to all the fullness of God for the work the Father assigned to Him. Inward He had a Library at His deposal of all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge. The living Father. And Outward He was clothed with all the power of the living God. The Father

During the days of Jesus’ life on earth, he offered up prayers and petitions with fervent cries and tears to the one who could save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverent submission.

 

[locust]

In the context of oneness

oneness ?

 

[JesusFan]

if Jesus was fully God why ,why would he pray to a higher God

Talking to His Father who was still in heaven, as both are God

 

[Randy]

oneness ?

Jesus-If you've seen me, you have seen the Father.

Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you I do not speak on my own authority. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work.

 

[JesusFan]

Jesus-If you've seen me, you have seen the Father.

Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you I do not speak on my own authority. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work.

Jesus was and is not the Father, but both are equally God