Did the Son have a beginning?

[Randy]

To confess Jesus as Lord is to acknowledge that he is God

The Lord said to my Lord...
The Lord=>God
my Lord=>David refers to the Christ as His sovereign.

You should know who is your God.
Jesus-My Father and your Father, My God and YOUR GOD.
Yet for us there is but one God, the Father...

God is our Father. Jesus is not our Father.

The Father revealed to Peter that Jesus was the Christ, the Son of God.
On that truth, not Peter, Jesus built His church.

Now Jesus was God in the flesh at that time.

I call Gods Firstborn, who is God's Christ, and sits on His Fathers throne LORD.

The throne of God and of the Lamb forever. Just 2

 

[JesusFan]

The Lord said to my Lord...
The Lord=>God
my Lord=>David refers to the Christ as His sovereign.

You should know who is your God.
Jesus-My Father and your Father, My God and YOUR GOD.
Yet for us there is but one God, the Father...

God is our Father. Jesus is not our Father.

The Father revealed to Peter that Jesus was the Christ, the Son of God.
On that truth, not Peter, Jesus built His church.

Now Jesus was God in the flesh at that time.

I call Gods Firstborn, who is God's Christ, and sits on His Fathers throne LORD.

The throne of God and of the Lamb forever. Just 2

Yes, Jesus quoted David to the Pharisees, as they thought that the Messiah would be just another Human King like David, anointed by God, yet Jesus stated that the Messiah was divine, as even their King David called Him his Lord

 

[JesusFan]

I used a Interlinear Bible did a copy and paste of θεὸς and θεόν
then to a translation on Google . calling it a JW thing is iffy

The arguments used to state that Jesus is not almighty God, but just a mighty one are some arguments used by the JW to support their heresy of Arianism

 

[JLB]

The Spirit of the true God is the Fathers always.

So the Spirit of the LORD who spoke through the prophets is not true?

He is the Truth.

The Spirit of Truth.

 

[SolaScriptura]

Jesus Christ is YHWH
The Father is YHWH
The Holy Spirit is YHWH

This means that each distinct Person in the Godhead, is SELF-EXISTENT, and ETERNAL, which no advantage to any Person

 

[JesusFan]

So the Spirit of the LORD who spoke through the prophets is not true?

He is the Truth.

The Spirit of Truth.

He is the Third Person of the Trinity

 

[locust]

Perhaps it's just an irony, Jesus is said to the mediator between God and man . Jesus wanting to bring both closer together .then we find the ones saying Jesus is God then we have to wonder what happened to the mediator Position.?? was that just some kind of story that Jesus is a mediator? fact is Jesus is not the almighty God .he is a creation of God that helped God in the act of creating everything . if you look at it this way ,God is a contractor that Jesus works for .God says he wants it done a certain way and Jesus makes it happen .

 

[JLB]

Jesus is said to the mediator between God and man .

Yes Jesus the Man is the Mediator between God and man.

What was Jesus before He became flesh?

And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness:
God was manifested in the flesh,
Justified in the Spirit,
Seen by angels,
Preached among the Gentiles,
Believed on in the world,
Received up in glory.
1 Timothy 3:16

 

[locust]

Yes Jesus the Man is the Mediator between God and man.

What was Jesus before He became flesh?

And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness:
God was manifested in the flesh,
Justified in the Spirit,
Seen by angels,
Preached among the Gentiles,
Believed on in the world,
Received up in glory.
1 Timothy 3:16

English Revised Version
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness; He who was manifested in the flesh, justified in the spirit, seen of angels, preached among the nations, believed on in the world, received up in glory.

 

[JLB]

English Revised Version
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness; He who was manifested in the flesh, justified in the spirit, seen of angels, preached among the nations, believed on in the world, received up in glory.

Who is He who was manifested in the flesh?

 

[locust]

Who is He who was manifested in the flesh?

The word

 

[Randy]

So the Spirit of the LORD who spoke through the prophets is not true?

He is the Truth.

The Spirit of Truth.

Where did I state that? The source of truth Jesus testified to, as He taught, is the Father.

It's clear to me the God who spoke through the prophets in the past spoke to us in these last days by His Son.

 

[Randy]

Yes, Jesus quoted David to the Pharisees, as they thought that the Messiah would be just another Human King like David, anointed by God, yet Jesus stated that the Messiah was divine, as even their King David called Him his Lord

Where did Jesus claim to be divine or even our God? He is our sovereign because God set Him above all. He is our life also because of the Fathers will as well. He is not our God and Father. He is our Lord. He is Gods Christ.

As was shown He stated another was our God and HIS God.

“Do not let your hearts be troubled. You believe in God; believe also in me.

The eternal life found in the Son is His God and Father.
Just as He lives by the Father we live by Him.

 

[JLB]

Where did I state that? The source of truth Jesus testified to, as He taught, is the Father.

It's clear to me the God who spoke through the prophets in the past spoke to us in these last days by His Son.

The Spirit of the LORD is the Spirit of Christ.

 

[Randy]

The Spirit of the LORD is the Spirit of Christ.

Not the Spirit of the one He calls His God?

Not the Spirit of the one who sent Him? Didn't Jesus state He didn't come on His own, but that His Father sent Him?

The Spirit of the Sovereign LORD is on me, because the LORD has anointed me to proclaim good news to the poor. He has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim freedom for the captives and release from darkness for the prisoners,...

Not the Spirit of the Father?
Fathers promise=>In the last days I will pour out MY Spirit...

Matt 10:20
for it will not be you speaking, but the Spirit of your Father speaking through you.

The Son of Man was the word of the Father.
For I gave them the words you gave me and they accepted them. They knew with certainty that I came from you, and they believed that you sent me.

 

[JLB]

Not the Spirit of the one He calls His God?

Makes zero sense.

The Spirit of the LORD is the Spirit of Christ.

The Spirit of the LORD that was in the Old Testament prophets is the Spirit of Christ.

Of this salvation the prophets have inquired and searched carefully, who prophesied of the grace that would come to you, searching what, or what manner of time, the Spirit of Christ who was in them was indicating when He testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ and the glories that would follow.1 Peter 1:10-11

The Spirit of Christ, the Spirit of the LORD spoke throughout the Old Testament saying “thus says the LORD’.

The burden of the word of the LORD against Israel. Thus says the LORD, who stretches out the heavens, lays the foundation of the earth, and forms the spirit of man within him: Zechariah 12:1

• who stretches out the heavens, lays the foundation of the earth
• You, LORD, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth, and the heavens are the work of Your hands.

But to the Son He says:
“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.
You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness;
Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You
With the oil of gladness more than Your companions.”
And: “You, LORD, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth,
And the heavens are the work of Your hands. Hebrews 1:8-10


The Father calls the Son, LORD. (YHWH)

The Son is called LORD, (YHWH) by the Father.

The Son, created the heavens and the earth.

 

[locust]

Makes zero sense.

The Spirit of the LORD is the Spirit of Christ.

The Spirit of the LORD that was in the Old Testament prophets is the Spirit of Christ.

Of this salvation the prophets have inquired and searched carefully, who prophesied of the grace that would come to you, searching what, or what manner of time, the Spirit of Christ who was in them was indicating when He testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ and the glories that would follow.1 Peter 1:10-11

The Spirit of Christ, the Spirit of the LORD spoke throughout the Old Testament saying “thus says the LORD’.

The burden of the word of the LORD against Israel. Thus says the LORD, who stretches out the heavens, lays the foundation of the earth, and forms the spirit of man within him: Zechariah 12:1

• who stretches out the heavens, lays the foundation of the earth
• You, LORD, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth, and the heavens are the work of Your hands.

But to the Son He says:
“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.
You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness;
Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You
With the oil of gladness more than Your companions.”
And: “You, LORD, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth,
And the heavens are the work of Your hands. Hebrews 1:8-10


The Father calls the Son, LORD. (YHWH)

The Son is called LORD, (YHWH) by the Father.

The Son, created the heavens and the earth.

Websters gives something like 14 understandings of spirit ,are you using the right one ?

 

[Randy]

Makes zero sense.

The Spirit of the LORD is the Spirit of Christ.

The Spirit of the LORD that was in the Old Testament prophets is the Spirit of Christ.

Of this salvation the prophets have inquired and searched carefully, who prophesied of the grace that would come to you, searching what, or what manner of time, the Spirit of Christ who was in them was indicating when He testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ and the glories that would follow.1 Peter 1:10-11

The Spirit of Christ, the Spirit of the LORD spoke throughout the Old Testament saying “thus says the LORD’.

The burden of the word of the LORD against Israel. Thus says the LORD, who stretches out the heavens, lays the foundation of the earth, and forms the spirit of man within him: Zechariah 12:1

• who stretches out the heavens, lays the foundation of the earth
• You, LORD, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth, and the heavens are the work of Your hands.

But to the Son He says:
“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.
You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness;
Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You
With the oil of gladness more than Your companions.”
And: “You, LORD, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth,
And the heavens are the work of Your hands. Hebrews 1:8-10


The Father calls the Son, LORD. (YHWH)

The Son is called LORD, (YHWH) by the Father.

The Son, created the heavens and the earth.

The Spirit of God is the Spirit of the one Jesus Himself calls His God and the only true God.
It's clear to me God as in the Father created by/through/for His Son.
Jesus, as a child of God, a Son, has His own spirit. -"Father into your hands I commit My spirit"

Yahweh owns everything and is Love.
The Son was appointed Heir of all things and received authority.
If the Son was Yahweh this wouldn't have needed to be stated, "You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness", nor would such a reason be needed to appoint Him above His companions as Yahweh is the living God.

The reason the God of the Son calls His Son God was this is His doing. Col 1:19 The only begotten God and the Son was chosen at the very beginning of the creation of God not at the incarnation.

The Son is all that the Father is, that is the Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact expression of his nature for in Him dwells all the fullness of the Fathers Deity. God was the Logos in this context.

There is only one Spirit of God and I assure you it's the Fathers always. It is that Spirit that acts on the point of will of the mind of the Son, hence the Spirit of Christ. Jesus has His own spirit, not Deity. He is the Firstborn of God.

 

[JesusFan]

Where did Jesus claim to be divine or even our God? He is our sovereign because God set Him above all. He is our life also because of the Fathers will as well. He is not our God and Father. He is our Lord. He is Gods Christ.

As was shown He stated another was our God and HIS God.

“Do not let your hearts be troubled. You believe in God; believe also in me.

The eternal life found in the Son is His God and Father.
Just as He lives by the Father we live by Him.

Your own quoted passage here indicates that Jesus remanded Him to be seen in same fashion as the Father was, as both equally God

 

[JesusFan]

The Spirit of God is the Spirit of the one Jesus Himself calls His God and the only true God.
It's clear to me God as in the Father created by/through/for His Son.
Jesus, as a child of God, a Son, has His own spirit. -"Father into your hands I commit My spirit"

Yahweh owns everything and is Love.
The Son was appointed Heir of all things and received authority.
If the Son was Yahweh this wouldn't have needed to be stated, "You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness", nor would such a reason be needed to appoint Him above His companions as Yahweh is the living God.

The reason the God of the Son calls His Son God was this is His doing. Col 1:19 The only begotten God and the Son was chosen at the very beginning of the creation of God not at the incarnation.

The Son is all that the Father is, that is the Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact expression of his nature for in Him dwells all the fullness of the Fathers Deity. God was the Logos in this context.

There is only one Spirit of God and I assure you it's the Fathers always. It is that Spirit that acts on the point of will of the mind of the Son, hence the Spirit of Christ. Jesus has His own spirit, not Deity. He is the Firstborn of God.

Jesus is Yahweh incarnated into human flesh