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[_ Old Earth _] Dinosaurs ?

lordkalvan said:
I see no links to papers that discuss evidence showing:

1. That Lucy is reconstructed from one bone.

2. That Lucy is a 'boy'.

3. That DNA from Lucy has been recovered and analysed.

4. That Lucy is a chimpanzee.
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No, but context here, okay. I have posted a route to hundreds of relevant articles that you can sit back and just watch. I understand the Computer Generation, reading is laborious and I have, as have others, given you a relaxing manner to get the facts and if you refuse, we are not at fault.
 
th1b.taylor said:
He didn't like he evidence when we presented that before. Growing up in Texas I found one unchanging truth, a man can lead a donkey to the well but it is impossible to make it drink. Not trying to be cute but the Texas parable applies.
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As no response to my comments was made the first time this 'evidence' was posted, I have yet to see anything to 'like'.
 
th1b.taylor said:
No, but context here, okay. I have posted a route to hundreds of relevant articles that you can sit back and just watch. I understand the Computer Generation, reading is laborious and I have, as have others, given you a relaxing manner to get the facts and if you refuse, we are not at fault.
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You are, indeed, at fault if you cannot provide citations to papers or articles that support the claims you make. YouTube videos rarely if ever provide a list of references to support the claims made in them and I am not prepared to accept unsupported assertions as evidential.
 
th1b.taylor said:
And there is you probllem, I have interpreted nothing. reread that post, you missed it.
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If you have read the Bible, you have interpreted it. It is impossible to read the Bible, to read anything, without interpreting it.
 
lordkalvan said:
Clearly you have as other interpretations decline the 'dinosaurs in the Bible' claim, for example this one:

http://paleo.cc/paluxy/behemoth.htm
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Well, as you correctly stated, they are interpetations done, what, in manś
's own strivings, they are not from the Holy Spirit for the Spirit in me is in disagreement... I do not interpret, I read and let the spirit inform me of what it all means. then, as the last three verses of Matthew instructs us, I give what is given to me. What that information is used for after that is between the man and his Maker, not him and me.
 
th1b.taylor said:
Well, as you correctly stated, they are interpetations done, what, in manś
's own strivings, they are not from the Holy Spirit for the Spirit in me is in disagreement... I do not interpret, I read and let the spirit inform me of what it all means. then, as the last three verses of Matthew instructs us, I give what is given to me. What that information is used for after that is between the man and his Maker, not him and me.
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This simply is not how things work. It really is a nonsensical approach to Scripture. You ought to know that.
 
Free said:
If you have read the Bible, you have interpreted it. It is impossible to read the Bible, to read anything, without interpreting it.
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Free ,
In the beginning that is true and I can tell you that I did a lousy job. But from the moment the Holy Spirit overcame me, I have not interpreted what I read from the scriptures. If I did, I would, every time, have an answer in a few seconds to a minute or two. I have bolted straight up out of a dead sleep because god was giving me the answer hours and sometimes days later. I do not always succeed because the Old Man is still tied to my back but I do my best not to slip backwards and run off pretending that I understand what is being said here or there in the scriptures. Instead I pray and then I listen for my Saviour to answer. That is what is wrong when two men read the same passage and come out with conflicting thoughts, ideas (but never interpretations, the language read remains the same) that cannot be connected.

If the spirit is giving the understanding to both or even more people, the information given to each of them might not be exactly the same but it will mesh and each will compliment the other. I have lived with the Spirits presence from the day I believed and He has never left me and if or more accurately, when, I catch me quenching His guidence, I stop and give it back to His control.
 
Free said:
This simply is not how things work. It really is a nonsensical approach to Scripture. You ought to know that.
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Free,
can you explain why? I an well into my moment by moment walk with Jesus and He has not told me wrong as I can see.
 
lordkalvan said:
You are, indeed, at fault if you cannot provide citations to papers or articles that support the claims you make. YouTube videos rarely if ever provide a list of references to support the claims made in them and I am not prepared to accept unsupported assertions as evidential.
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Kalvan.
I have answered your request with my evidence and if you refuse it, I can do nothing about it and I am here to do what my LORD has commissioned me to do and that is not to argue with anyone, not that I haven't but when I did so, I was wrong. It is up to me to provide and it is up to you to ask God about it.
 
th1b.taylor said:
Kalvan.
I have answered your request with my evidence and if you refuse it, I can do nothing about it and I am here to do what my LORD has commissioned me to do and that is not to argue with anyone, not that I haven't but when I did so, I was wrong. It is up to me to provide and it is up to you to ask God about it.
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I don't refuse it, I simply dispute that it amounts to evidence in any meaningful sense of the word.
 
lordkalvan said:
I don't refuse it, I simply dispute that it amounts to evidence in any meaningful sense of the word.
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But, as the videos, and I have watched them all on one series and I'm working on the others, do establish, requiring physical evidence has nothing to do with worshiping God nor to do with the great Commission given us by Jesus. I have offered you discussion material on fact as viewed from the spiritual perspective and as I understood it this sub-forum is Science vs. Christianity, am I wrong? If I read the title correctly what you seem to have progressed to is to demand I , a Spirit filled, Christ saved, fully committed Christian turn to follow you instead of Jesus.

Let me explain, the Bible is the Final Court of Arbitration for the followers of Jesus until that day, He returns. Now, I must do this without being offensive so please read and even reread the listed scripture.

In Matt. 22:1-14, the parable of the Wedding Feast. It is important to remember that if a person is found anywhere, at this Feast in Heaven, will not be cast out. Why am I going here? What I am about to say is, often, not received in the light it is spoken. Not every person that will be found in Heaven is a member of the Bride of Christ. This is one of the lessons the Holy spirit has taught me, believe me, I've never heard any preach this but myself. There are many more guests than there are members of the Bride of the Christ.

So, who is the Bride of Christ? I pray I am one of the members but I'll not know until I am there, the Spirit is not going to blow my pride bubble up for me and I suspect the world is glad of that. But this link to the document will illustrate much of what I'm referring to. http://coldcasechristianity.com/2012/are-there-different-degrees-of-reward-in-heaven/

Now, the Bible is the last Court of Arbitration for the Bride of the Christ and it should be so for all of the word but we all know that will never be. I am never to be moved in this world from obedience to my LORD because He has blessed me with the prescience of the Spirit and that is where I will live until I pass over. So it is that Translating the Bible is an action of moving the text from one language to another. though I have spoken bit and pieces of more than three languages while I was in the Army, I have never spoken any of them fluently enough to translate the Bible. As for having ideas about what a passage might mean, I do my very best not to go there but instead surrender myself to God that He might (Preacher speak) hide me behind the Cross of Jesus.

So it is that I offer you god's truth and god's truth does supersede any other ideas man might have.
 
I've rarely seen any minds changed during these debates. It's best to acknowledge one's own beliefs and let it go at that before tempers become unchristian-like.
First and foremost we are Christians who have surrendered ourselves to our Lord and Savior with a desire to leave our nature behind for His. But we're human and as such weak. Therefore we may still be sensitive to ego and may become frustrated when others protecting their own ideas/beliefs refuse to see things our way even in the face of the evidence we believe should bring about agreement.

I've been away for the past summer and free can't be here all the time either. He too, like all of us has a life outside this site. In short, it appears things have gotten a bit lax in here. It happens. Again, we're human, not divine. Operate within the guidelines of the ToS and the agreement, present your case as best you can and have comfort you've done so in a manner reflecting your faith.

peace
 
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