[__ Science __ ] Do Conservatives have a “Difficult Relationship with Science”?

[Barbarian]

For example: masks don’t work, it’s scientifically proven, yet the liberal Democrats fueled by the main steam media keeping pushing the socialist agenda of making people wear masks.

Well, that's a testable idea. Let's look at the research on masks.

mSphere 2020 Oct 21;5(5):e00637-20

Effectiveness of Face Masks in Preventing Airborne Transmission of SARS-CoV-2 ​

Abstract ​

Guidelines from the CDC and the WHO recommend the wearing of face masks to prevent the spread of coronavirus (CoV) disease 2019 (COVID-19); however, the protective efficiency of such masks against airborne transmission of infectious severe acute respiratory syndrome CoV-2 (SARS-CoV-2) droplets/aerosols is unknown. Here, we developed an airborne transmission simulator of infectious SARS-CoV-2-containing droplets/aerosols produced by human respiration and coughs and assessed the transmissibility of the infectious droplets/aerosols and the ability of various types of face masks to block the transmission. We found that cotton masks, surgical masks, and N95 masks all have a protective effect with respect to the transmission of infective droplets/aerosols of SARS-CoV-2 and that the protective efficiency was higher when masks were worn by a virus spreader. Importantly, medical masks (surgical masks and even N95 masks) were not able to completely block the transmission of virus droplets/aerosols even when completely sealed. Our data will help medical workers understand the proper use and performance of masks and determine whether they need additional equipment to protect themselves from infected patients.IMPORTANCE Airborne simulation experiments showed that cotton masks, surgical masks, and N95 masks provide some protection from the transmission of infective SARS-CoV-2 droplets/aerosols; however, medical masks (surgical masks and even N95 masks) could not completely block the transmission of virus droplets/aerosols even when sealed.

Which is what CDC, doctors and epidemiologists have been saying. Another research paper...

Clinical Infectious Diseases, Volume 71, Issue 16, 15 October 2020, Pages 2195–2198,

Importance of Face Masks for COVID-19: A Call for Effective Public Education ​

Abstract​

Considerable debates about the general community use of face masks for protection against coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) stemmed out from differing views taken by health authorities. Misconceptions and stigmatization towards the use of face masks may hinder the containment of the COVID-19 pandemic. We address this previous debate by analyzing the advice on the community use of masks across different credible health authorities: countries that promoted the use of masks acknowledged that masks are effective but also explained the importance of their proper use along with other hygiene measures. In contrast, authorities that recommended against the community use of masks mainly cited shortage of supplies, the argument that the public do not have the adequate skills to wear them, or that wearing masks might reduce compliance with other important behaviors. We suggest promoting effective behavioral changes in personal protective measures by teaching microbiological knowledge instead of just listing out the “do’s-and-don’ts.”

 

[JLB]

Well, that's a testable idea. Let's look at the research on masks.

mSphere 2020 Oct 21;5(5):e00637-20

Effectiveness of Face Masks in Preventing Airborne Transmission of SARS-CoV-2 ​

Abstract ​

Guidelines from the CDC and the WHO recommend the wearing of face masks to prevent the spread of coronavirus (CoV) disease 2019 (COVID-19); however, the protective efficiency of such masks against airborne transmission of infectious severe acute respiratory syndrome CoV-2 (SARS-CoV-2) droplets/aerosols is unknown. Here, we developed an airborne transmission simulator of infectious SARS-CoV-2-containing droplets/aerosols produced by human respiration and coughs and assessed the transmissibility of the infectious droplets/aerosols and the ability of various types of face masks to block the transmission. We found that cotton masks, surgical masks, and N95 masks all have a protective effect with respect to the transmission of infective droplets/aerosols of SARS-CoV-2 and that the protective efficiency was higher when masks were worn by a virus spreader. Importantly, medical masks (surgical masks and even N95 masks) were not able to completely block the transmission of virus droplets/aerosols even when completely sealed. Our data will help medical workers understand the proper use and performance of masks and determine whether they need additional equipment to protect themselves from infected patients.IMPORTANCE Airborne simulation experiments showed that cotton masks, surgical masks, and N95 masks provide some protection from the transmission of infective SARS-CoV-2 droplets/aerosols; however, medical masks (surgical masks and even N95 masks) could not completely block the transmission of virus droplets/aerosols even when sealed.

Which is what CDC, doctors and epidemiologists have been saying. Another research paper...

Clinical Infectious Diseases, Volume 71, Issue 16, 15 October 2020, Pages 2195–2198,

Importance of Face Masks for COVID-19: A Call for Effective Public Education ​

Abstract​

Considerable debates about the general community use of face masks for protection against coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) stemmed out from differing views taken by health authorities. Misconceptions and stigmatization towards the use of face masks may hinder the containment of the COVID-19 pandemic. We address this previous debate by analyzing the advice on the community use of masks across different credible health authorities: countries that promoted the use of masks acknowledged that masks are effective but also explained the importance of their proper use along with other hygiene measures. In contrast, authorities that recommended against the community use of masks mainly cited shortage of supplies, the argument that the public do not have the adequate skills to wear them, or that wearing masks might reduce compliance with other important behaviors. We suggest promoting effective behavioral changes in personal protective measures by teaching microbiological knowledge instead of just listing out the “do’s-and-don’ts.”

We have all seen the science demonstrated by the scientist who used 5 masks.


You are arguing against science in favor of your political narrative.


Thanks for proving my point.

 

[Barbarian]

(Numerous articles in scientific journals demonstrate the effectiveness of masks in reducing COVID-19 infections)

We have all seen the science demonstrated by the scientist who used 5 masks.

None of those studies, which showed that masks are effective, involved 5 masks. It's just a matter of fact. Not just a couple of studies, either. Notice that the results showed that the masks didn't stop 100 percent of virus particles, but significantly reduced transmission of virus particles.

Why is that important? Because minimum infectious dose is a real thing. You have to get a certain number of virus particles to get an infection. So reducing the amount of particles in the air really works to reduce new infections.

Medical Definition of minimal infectious dose: ​

the smallest quantity of infectious material that regularly produces infection —abbreviation MID ​

The science says that masks reduce transmission of COVID-19, but don't completely stop it. And that's the reality.

Thanks for proving my point.

If that's your point, we're on the same page, and consistent with the science.

 

[Barbarian]

Where did God say that the worlds earth, air, and waters brought forth living things as opposed to God creating them?

Genesis 1:24, for example:
And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so. (my emphasis)

 

[Quantrill]

Genesis 1:24, for example:
And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so. (my emphasis)

Your 'emphasis' is misguided.

(Gen. 1:20) "And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth...

(Gen. 2:19) "And out of the ground the LORD GOD formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air....."

What does science say about the Virgin Birth and Resurrection of Christ? What does science say about the Flood, and Joshua's long day, and Jonah and the whale?

You're the one who said you don't see anything in the Bible that contradicts your science. Answer the questions.

Quantrill

 

[JLB]

(Numerous articles in scientific journals demonstrate the effectiveness of masks in reducing COVID-19 infections)



None of those studies, which showed that masks are effective, involved 5 masks. It's just a matter of fact. Not just a couple of studies, either. Notice that the results showed that the masks didn't stop 100 percent of virus particles, but significantly reduced transmission of virus particles.

Why is that important? Because minimum infectious dose is a real thing. You have to get a certain number of virus particles to get an infection. So reducing the amount of particles in the air really works to reduce new infections.

Medical Definition of minimal infectious dose: ​

the smallest quantity of infectious material that regularly produces infection —abbreviation MID ​

The science says that masks reduce transmission of COVID-19, but don't completely stop it. And that's the reality.


If that's your point, we're on the same page, and consistent with the science.

If 5 masks together are ineffective, then why make people wear one?

 

[Barbarian]

If 5 masks together are ineffective

As you see, one is effective. Here's what actual tests showed:
Clinical Infectious Diseases, Volume 71, Issue 16, 15 October 2020, Pages 2195–2198

Importance of Face Masks for COVID-19: A Call for Effective Public Education ​

We found that cotton masks, surgical masks, and N95 masks all have a protective effect with respect to the transmission of infective droplets/aerosols of SARS-CoV-2 and that the protective efficiency was higher when masks were worn by a virus spreader.

 

[Barbarian]

Quantrill said:
Where did God say that the worlds earth, air, and waters brought forth living things as opposed to God creating them?

Genesis 1:24, for example:
And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so. (my emphasis)

Genesis 1:20 God also said: Let the waters bring forth the creeping creature having life, and the fowl that may fly over the earth under the firmament of heaven.

Your 'emphasis' is misguided.

Take it up with Him. He said it. I'm just showing you what He said.

 

[Barbarian]

What does science say about the Virgin Birth and Resurrection of Christ?

Nothing at all. As you learned, science does not deny miracles. This is why so many scientists are theists, mostly Christian.

What does science say about the Flood, and Joshua's long day, and Jonah and the whale?

Nothing at all. Whether these are miracles, natural phenomena, or allegories is not a concern of science which is open to those possibilities.

You're the one who said you don't see anything in the Bible that contradicts your science.

And you know why. You've already seen these answers several times, but for some reason you are unable to process them.

 

[JLB]

As you see, one is effective. Here's what actual tests showed:
Clinical Infectious Diseases, Volume 71, Issue 16, 15 October 2020, Pages 2195–2198

Importance of Face Masks for COVID-19: A Call for Effective Public Education ​

We found that cotton masks, surgical masks, and N95 masks all have a protective effect with respect to the transmission of infective droplets/aerosols of SARS-CoV-2 and that the protective efficiency was higher when masks were worn by a virus spreader.

We all just saw the demonstration of the scientist who are 5 masks and still was able to fog his glasses, which shows us that the droplets of his breath came through.


Again, if wearing 5 masks is ineffective then why the big push to wear masks?


Because the push to wear masks is a politically driven agenda, not a science based agenda.




JLB

 

[jaybo]

Most left wing liberals, don’t even know anything about science or facts, they just parrot what the main steam media says, or their socialist puppet masters.


For example: masks don’t work, it’s scientifically proven, yet the liberal Democrats fueled by the main steam media keeping pushing the socialist agenda of making people wear masks.

Most Conservatives and Christians don’t have any problem with science.


It’s the politically driven left wing “science” that is questioned.





JLB

If you're not joking you're sadly misinformed. Have you actually done a survey that leads you to conclude that most left wing liberals, don’t even know anything about science or facts? Have you taken a poll of leading scientists' politics or are you just -> spouting bigotry< ?

You make a statement that " masks don’t work, it’s scientifically proven", yet show no proof. What are your credentials? Here is what the EPA says: Face masks and other personal protective equipment (PPE) are important tools to protect the wearer and others against COVID-19.

If 5 masks together are ineffective, then why make people wear one?

Two reasons: to protect yourself and to prevent the transmission of the virus to others.

 

[JLB]

Have you actually done a survey that leads you to conclude that most left wing liberals, don’t even know anything about science or facts?

Of course not, because I never said left wing liberals dont know anything about facts.

 

[JLB]

Have you taken a poll of leading scientists' politics or are you just -> spouting bigotry< ?

Stating a simple fact such as masks are not effective is certainly not bigotry.

Please watch the whole vidéo as the scientist demonstrates.



JLB

 

[JLB]

You make a statement that " masks don’t work, it’s scientifically proven", yet show no proof.

Again, please watch the proof.

 

[jaybo]

Of course not, because I never said left wing liberals dont know anything about facts.

Really? Here is what you wrote in post #32 (above): "Most left wing liberals, don’t even know anything about science or facts, they just parrot what the main steam media says, or their socialist puppet masters."

 

[jaybo]

Stating a simple fact such as masks are not effective is certainly not bigotry.

Please watch the whole vidéo as the scientist demonstrates.



JLB

I won't waste my time... You can find anything true or false on YouTube that you want to prove a point. Besides, what do you mean by "masks"? Do you really think that the M95 masks that health care workers and others wear are ineffective?

 

[JLB]

Really? Here is what you wrote in post #32 (above): "Most left wing liberals, don’t even know anything about science or facts, they just parrot what the main steam media says, or their socialist puppet masters."

Yes most, as in the ones I have heard, don’t.

They just say what they hear the Main Steam Media say.


When I hear one that actually cares about the truth, I will certainly let you know.


Hear is an example from Fauci —


https://rumble.com/vc8l01-fauci-admits-on-camera-that-he-lied-about-masks.html<BR>Fauci Admits On Camera That He Lied About Masks

 

[JLB]

Do you really think that the M95 masks that health care workers and others wear are ineffective?

Have you heard left wing liberals warning the public that only N95 masks are effective?


If they were following the scientific facts, they would.


I can only wonder what scientific facts have been withheld from the public about the vaccine.

 

[jaybo]

Yes most, as in the ones I have heard, don’t.

They just say what they hear the Main Steam Media say.


When I hear one that actually cares about the truth, I will certainly let you know.


Hear is an example from Fauci —


https://rumble.com/vc8l01-fauci-admits-on-camera-that-he-lied-about-masks.html<BR>Fauci Admits On Camera That He Lied About Masks

rumble.com? Now there's an authoritative, reliable news source for ya' -- not.

 

[JLB]

rumble.com? Now there's an authoritative, reliable news source for ya' -- not.

Its Dr Fauci speaking.

You dont trust Dr Fauci?