SyrianMariam
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Will I go to Hell if I transgress of these requirements?
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Do I have to be baptised and partake in the eucharist?
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Absolutely not! The only requirement is that you believe that Jesus died for your sins. Baptism and the eucharist are rituals only.
The problem here is that in modern times there is an increasing move towards rewriting Christianity into a set of religious beliefs and practices (or lack thereof) that are foreign to its original foundations.
Whether or not one goes to Hell over such things is actually skirting what might be the bigger issue. Those practices you mentioned were ordained by the Lord for a specific purpose, as both teach exceedingly great truths in the Christian religion that needed to be lived out in real life.
Granted, if one observes the ceremonies but does not live out the spiritual realities, this is a prostitution of what God intended. But those who intend to live out the realities usually have no problems engaging in the practices they were to serve as reminders of.
SyrianMariam
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What about...
"Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you; he who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day"
What about "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son."
and "Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the works God requires?” Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.” John 6:28-29
and John 6:35-40, "Then Jesus declared, “I am the bread of life. Whoever comes to me will never go hungry, and whoever believes in me will never be thirsty.But as I told you, you have seen me and still you do not believe. All those the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never drive away. For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me. And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all those he has given me, but raise them up at the last day. For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.”
It is clear that Jesus is talking symbolically, but if you believe that you must partake of Jesus' symbolic body and blood by eating bread and drinking wine -- the eucharist -- to have eternal life then do so.
and John 6:53-59, "Jesus said to them, “Very truly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day. For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in them. Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me. This is the bread that came down from heaven. Your ancestors ate manna and died, but whoever feeds on this bread will live forever.” He said this while teaching in the synagogue in Capernaum."
Whether it is required for participation in Holy Communion, either way, as a proclaiming Christian, it is something that should be done. Even Jesus was baptized therefore so shall I. Jesus also said, "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned."
Mark 16:15-16 NKJV
SyrianMariam
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I don't think he was saying that, Lol.
If I may, why don't you just participate in communion rather than be so worried one way or the other?
SyrianMariam
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I'm worried I'll dissapoint God by participating in a pseudo-pagan blood drinking ritual
Ok, and who gave you that idea?
SyrianMariam
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The Romans do it, and they worship idols and reject the second commandment, and give the mother of Jesus a pagan epithet.
Catholic doctrines aside, why do you not observe it in another denomination? You think all Christian observances of communion are engaging in a Neo-pagan blood ritual?
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Mungo
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Believing includes obeying.
Do you believe and obey Jesus when he said:
“This is my body which is for you. Do this in remembrance of me.”
“This cup is the new covenant in my blood. Do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of me.”
(1 Cor 11:25 & 25)
Not clear at all. This is following the pattern of Satan's querying of God's words in Eden (Gen 3)
Jesus didn't say this symbolically represents. He said is.
Paul wrote "Whoever, therefore, eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of profaning the body and blood of the Lord."
Are you profaning symbols or is Paul referring to a symbolic profaning?
Highway54
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At some point in their progression as Christians they will choose to get baptized. It is just a step we take in pressing on to maturity. Only spirit anointed Christians are in the new covenant, and therefore are the only ones to partake of the bread and wine in obedience to Jesus' command.
Hell is a misunderstood word which is the same as grave, and everyone who dies goes there as did Jesus and await a resurrection. Would be happy to give more information on that if you desire maam.
Mungo
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Not true - but to pursue this would just turn this thread in to another baptism thread.
Again not true. Hell is not another name for the grave.
Death is a separation of body and soul.
Bodies go into graves.
Souls (some) go to into hell.
54, I would assume the Spirit of God has already warned you about this, possibly several times, but it deserves reminding you again: You will have blood on your hands in eternity for teaching this. The Jehovahs Witnesses teach a mountain of doctrinal error, but the above may be one of their most egregious. You will not be worthy of Heaven if you spent your lifetime sending people to Hell by teaching the lie that it didn't exist.
And no, I'm not anymore interested in getting into a debate with you on it in this thread than Mungo was about baptism. That's just another trick you guys are trained to employ in order to keep spreading more heresy. Just understand, I have seen the Jehovahs Witnesses corrupt and destroy Christian communities elsewhere, and if you keep peddling this nonsense here you are going to be met with greater and greater rebukes for it.
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No you are not! Don't even write such nonsense, even in jest.
You won't disappoint God. The eucharist is a ritual for the benefit of those who participate, to remind them of Christ. It is not a requirement.
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