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Do we know the original Scriptures ARE the original Scriptures

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lamplady

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Meaning could it be there are Scriptures out there that are older then the ones we have. And that it is ALL of it. For some reason I think not, BUT the one we have is enough.

I don't mean the ones we know about but were not included, I mean literally other Scriptures out there, (that's part of the Bible), that we DON'T know about.
 
Unless we find the actual first copies, the ones actually written by the authors themselves, we will never have the "originals".

Now it's always possible that another find like the Dead Sea Scrolls happens in the future. :yes
 
It's amazing that even with the Dead Sea Scrolls, people refuse to believe in the Truth.

Abraham (Jesus) was right when he said to the rich man, "even if someone rises from the dead, they will not believe"
 
The issue is the fact of Divine preservation, rather than some external 'authority' making the Bible become legitimate.
 
lamplady said:
I mean literally other Scriptures out there, (that's part of the Bible), that we DON'T know about.
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Is it closed-minded for me to believe firmly that God would not allow His Word to us be lost to us? I have got to believe that, since scripture is His message to us (revealing Himself through His word), we can be sure that what we have is His complete revelation to His people. I can see things like the Dead Sea Scrolls being discovered, but inspired books that are intended to be in the Bible but yet discovered? I don't think so.

This is part of my problem with denominations that put Tradition on par with scripture. Saying that a person can provide additional revelations equal to the Word is to say that the Word is incomplete. Two cents.
 
Mike said:

Is it closed-minded for me to believe firmly that God would not allow His Word to us be lost to us? I have got to believe that, since scripture is His message to us (revealing Himself through His word), we can be sure that what we have is His complete revelation to His people. I can see things like the Dead Sea Scrolls being discovered, but inspired books that are intended to be in the Bible but yet discovered? I don't think so.

This is part of my problem with denominations that put Tradition on par with scripture. Saying that a person can provide additional revelations equal to the Word is to say that the Word is incomplete. Two cents.
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:thumbsup

(You saved me the time. ;))
 
It's not so much so that unbelievers can believe, you're right theLords, they're unlikely to believe regardless; it's not even about the Children of God, for they should believe anyway.

No it's for the anomalies that's said to be in the bible.

And when I said Scriptures, (like whole books), it doesn't have to be; it could be a few verses here and there that may be missing, but if they were there would help explain stuff.

I just wondered. :shrug :dunno
 
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My understanding is this. The scripture of the Old Testament was handed down orally from the beginning. The Word was memorized to perfection and handed down from generation to generation. When it was put down in print, there was no dispute as to what would be included down to every last word. Memorization was critical, and they placed the Word on their hearts. We don't have the original manuscripts, but we do have the Word handed down that all of Israel was in complete agreement with as it got passed on to B.C. times. There was no one contradicting another, because scripture was so well memorized. For that reason, I conclude without a doubt that scripture is complete and true to the original.

There's also the faith aspect, which to me says that God would not allow his Divine Word to be lost in unfound archaeology. There are words changed depending on the version of the Bible, but "parts" missing? This is where I would say "no".
 
I'm not so sure ... What God would not allow is his message NOT to be heard, it is, but ...
 
Abraham (Jesus) was right when he said to the rich man, "even if someone rises from the dead, they will not believe"
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And that one has been proven.
 
The way I see it there are more parts of the bible out there that have not been found and they include more verses etc. I also believe they're written in another language altogether.

The Word was with people long before what we know of the written word was found, and it still is.

However, it's not unfathomable to believe there are more scriptures. :yes
 
Actually I would hold that the Word of God is now complete: we have the complete revelation in the Scriptures.

We have the Acts of the Apostles, and the writings of the Apostles in the Epistles and I would not want to think that something else purporting to be of God could supposedly overrule the Holy Scriptures.
 
farouk said:
Actually I would hold that the Word of God is now complete: we have the complete revelation in the Scriptures.

We have the Acts of the Apostles, and the writings of the Apostles in the Epistles and I would not want to think that something else purporting to be of God could supposedly overrule the Holy Scriptures.
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It won't be an overruling - it'll just be extra literature ...
 
The question - clear in my mind - comes back to the 'all Scripture' referred to in 2 Timothy 3.16, which is 'inspired of God'.
 
farouk said:
The question - clear in my mind - comes back to the 'all Scripture' referred to in 2 Timothy 3.16, which is 'inspired of God'.
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Yeah, the extra lit. could also be inspiration from God ...
 
We can't deny there are some anomalies; perhaps if there were extra verses or suchlike maybe it would help clarify things idk ...
 
I think it's more a case of needing to deepen our knowledge, prayerfully and with diligent study, of the already existing, full record of revelation in the inspired Scriptures.
 
We know the Author of the original scriptures, The Holy Spirit, it is that self same Holy Spirit who leads us into all truth, revelation and understanding of the scripture

we are in good hands

Put your mind at ease, the word is intact
 
craigmn3 said:
We know the Author of the original scriptures, The Holy Spirit, it is that self same Holy Spirit who leads us into all truth, revelation and understanding of the scripture

we are in good hands

Put your mind at ease, the word is intact
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c:

The Lord Jesus Himself said, about the Holy Spirit:

'He shall guide you into all truth' ... 'He shall testify of me'.
 
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