Bible Study Do you believe everything in Acts is doctrinally for today

[mutzrein]

John, sehad.

Yes you are absolutely right guys. John was certainly unique and the fact that he was filled with the Holy Ghost from birth supports the purpose for which God had ordained him. I cannot argue with that.

 

[SputnikBoy]

Sputnik boy,

1Corintians 10:17 states If i speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but not have love I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal.

If I were to say to someone, "though I (if it were possible to) speak in the languages of men and Martian but don't give a hoot about my fellow man" ...that would be hyperbole. It's illustrative language by which to drive home a point. I can't REALLY speak Martian and I would rely on the other person's intelligence to figure out the intent of my message. That message is, unless I DO give a hoot about my fellow man, nothing else I COULD DO IF IT WERE POSSIBLE is even worth talking about. THIS is what Paul is doing in this text. He is using hyperbole just the same as we do in our everyday conversation.

Paul here is speaking of tongues yes.physically.. 18: talks about if i have the gift of prophecy, and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if i have a faith that can move mountains,but not have love, I am nothing..
It speaks of the importance of Love but it also agrees there's another launguage we don't know (unheard of by us).

Absolutely untrue, Carrie.

1Corinthians 14:2 For anyone who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God. Indeed noone understand him, He utters mysteries with his spirit
That's your spirit (holy spirit) i've heard talking to God.
I've heard it said that you don't know what your praying for but you know you've prayed perfectly. :-D

I don't mean this unkindly, Carrie, but this is a misrepresentation of what that scripture really means

I have said a few sounds that i didn't understand a couple times , I don't know if that was tongues and i was supressing it or what.

Hardly a convincing endorsement for something supposedly from the Holy Spirit, eh Carrie?

God gives gifts out to whoever asks for them. I believe he chooses the gift tho.
1 Corinthians 14: 13-17 states that even in church you can sing and praise God in a tongue also. but another person may need to edified.= (To instruct especially so as to encourage intellectual, moral, or spiritual improvement.)
Pray for interpetation at times, or don't speak in tongues for another person so that can they can understand what's being said and be edified.
You can control wether to speak that tongue or not.

Unless we begin to debate this issue from a scriptural perspective we might as well go home, Carrie.

 

[John the Baptist]

Hi, when did all languages change? Did we at creation not [all] have the same tongue? Hebrews speaks of other worlds even in the plural. And even the angels of heaven & the evil angels of earth all spoke the same language or tongue. It was not until after the world flood that the Godhead 'confused' mankinds tongues. See Genesis 11:1 "The whole earth was of [one language], and of [one speech]."

In verse 9 we see the name of the tower given, notice. Genesis 11:9
"Therefore is the name called Babel; because the Lord did there confound the language of all the earth:.."

Throughout the Bible this 'confusion' is used in comparing, or rather telling followers of Christ that He wants no 'spiritual' confusion in His doctrines. That is why Babylon is brought into Revelations descriptive words as stated.. the ABOMINATION OF THE EARTH. Revelation 17:5 & Revelation 13:3-8. Notice 'mother' Babylon in Revelation 18:2! Read Revelation 18:1-4.
Think again of 'spiritual' insights! Throughout the Bible the church is described when fallen, by an impure woman, (adultery or fornication) wine or drunkards, or Confused Babylon.

"And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth [was lightened with his glory]. (Latter Rain & compared to Outpouring Spirit of Acts) And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, [Babylon the great IS FALLEN, IS FALLEN, and IS BECOME THE HABITATION OF devils], and the HOLD OF EVERY FOUL SPIRIT, and a cage of EVERY HATEFUL BIRD].

And these messages of God are always sent by His faithful ones here on earth. Where are these 'called out ones' ones to go? Into what? Ephesians 4:5 John 10:16 And the 'tongue' has to say it STRAIGHT and in KNOWN TRUTH by the Revelation 12:17 ones. See Matthew 25:6-10's 'Midnight Cry' & 'Shut door'.

She is a woman, the mother church of the whole earth, and [ex/protestants] are her daughters. And what unity of doctrines do they have?? And what 'spiritual' tongue do they have?? (very, very, confused! ) God even tells us that these churchs (women) are 'spiritual' fornicators & are 'drunk on the 'wine' of Babylon! (verse 3)

Yet, inside of all this confusion God has believers who do live up to all of the Truth that they know of!! Notice verse 4 " And I heard another VOICE from heaven saying, COME OUT OF HER MY PEOPLE, THAT YE BE NOT PARTAKERS OF HER SINS, AND THAT YE RECEIVE NOT OF HER PLAGUES." This is their last warning!

But you can be assured that by far the worst of these sins that ALL of these ones have openly known & documented, is not the 'false' gift of tongues, but the Eternal Covenant of the Godhead that they make VOID!
Including all sun church worshipers. See 1 John 2:4 He that saith, I know Him and keepeth not His commandments, IS A LIAR, and the TRUTH IS NOT IN him." Compare Daniel 7:25 for these churches who will receive of the seven last plagues.
Yet still, what Born Again believer would want any part of Babylon's confusion??? God is not the author of it, so who is???

---John

 

[CarrieY]

You know sputnik,
I quoted you scripture. just as you asked.. It's your choice not to believe it. I won't take this any further. believe as you choose, but i'm not commenting on this to you anymore.
Maybe that's why you don't see because you refuse to believe.
If Jesus were to come today i feel as tho you'd disbelieve in him so there's no point in going on.

Carrie

 

[CarrieY]

sputnik,

I don't mean this unkindly, Carrie, but this is a misrepresentation of what that scripture really means

NIV version
1Corinthians 14:2 For anyone who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God. Indeed noone understand him, He utters mysteries with his spirit
That's your spirit (holy spirit) i've heard talking to God.
I've heard it said that you don't know what your praying for but you know you've prayed perfectly.


KJV version
1Corinthians 14:2
For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue, speaketh not unto men but unto God: for no man understandeth him;how beit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.

1 Corinthians 14:2 (The Message)
2If you praise him in the private language of tongues, God understands you but no one else does, for you are sharing intimacies just between you and him.

1 Corinthians 14:2 (New Living Translation)
2For if your gift is the ability to speak in tongues,[a] you will be talking to God but not to people, since they won't be able to understand you. You will be speaking by the power of the Spirit, but it will all be mysterious

1 Corinthians 14:2 (Worldwide English (New Testament))
2The person who talks in tongues of a different language does not talk to people, but to God. People do not understand what he says. But he is saying secret things by the Spirit.

1 Corinthians 14:2 (New King James Version)
2 For he who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God, for no one understands him; however, in the spirit he speaks mysteries.


There's a few more translations of the same verse. They all say the same. nothing is taken out of context or misread, nothing is twisted. But it reads just as it says. i'm not grabbing from another part of the bible and trying to mislead you into believing what i think it means. I quoted to you exactly what it says.
How much more plain could it be written?

If anything your the one misleading people into believeing it means something other than what it says.

Carrie

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[sehad]

If I were to say to someone, "though I (if it were possible to) speak in the languages of men and Martian but don't give a hoot about my fellow man" ...that would be hyperbole. It's illustrative language by which to drive home a point.

Sorry to be like the proverbial pit bull dog, sehad, but I need to challenge you on your claim that Paul spoke in the ‘language of angels’. This misinterpreted scripture has spawned a rapidly growing denomination (Pentecostal) that is basing its major tenet (‘tongues’) on a false doctrine. The below is a post that I submitted a couple of days ago. Is there any chance of a response?

NOWHERE in 1 Corinthians - or anywhere else in the scriptures for that matter - is reference given for 'the tongues of angels' as being a practice for human beings. Indeed - NOWHERE in the Bible does it give reference to an angel even speaking in any other language than that of the recipient to whom their message is given. The text you refer to (1 Corinthians 13:1) is Paul simply using hyperbole to make his point about 'love' being the most important virtue. He is NOT saying or meaning that he ACTUALLY speaks the language of angels. Nor is Paul saying that he can actually move mountains (same text, same line of thought). It's hyperbole or illustrative speech that he uses to drive home a point. Do you not see this?

I really don't see many Martians documented in the bible, so this comparison is absolutely ridiculous. And according to JESUS CHRIST himself in Matthew 17:20, it is possible for a man to speak to a mountain and remove it if he has faith enough. Or would you question Jesus at his word also? Secondly, God created man and woman in his image and walked and talked with them in the garden of Eden. To my knowledge, the language of that time is never recorded so do you know what language was spoken at that time? I'm only assuming, please correct me if I'm wrong, but I would think that GOD would have to create a language in Adam and Eve. I really don't see them just talking on their own. Afterall, the very air that began Adam's life was the breath of GOD. Everything was one language until the tower of Babel, then GOD confused the languages. So ultimately, GOD is the author of all languages anyways. Thirdly, does it ever say what language was used when the angels spoke to humans? Not to my knowledge. Could it have possible been Martian?

Lastly, the Pentecostal religion was not founded off of a scripture. It was founded off of a group of individuals seeking the will of GOD. The man that was responsible(or leader) of these students was Charles Fox Parham, a Methodist by religion. It was based off of an experience that paralleled the Day of Pentecost in Acts chapter 2.

Did Paul actually speak in the tongues of angels? I don't know. Did he or anyone every actually move a mountain? Not to my knowledge. But I know first hand of a little 8 year old girl that lifted a hay bale that weighed over 500 pounds off of her father when the tractor that was carrying the hay suddenly dropped the load while he was working on it. I've heard stories of men picking up pickup trucks off of their friends when the jack that was holding up the truck fell off and pinned their friend under the vehicle. Although not a mountain, it might as well have been.

Kind of dangerous claiming that a religion is false don't you think? Just because it doesn't fit into your way of thinking. Let me ask you this. Did you, SputnikBoy, pray for God's guidance, read the bible with an open mind allowing God to speak to you and guide you, and discover that this 'so called' speaking in tongues is nothing but babble, or did you take someone's else's teachings, find other PEOPLE's opinions and THEIR personal interpretation of the bible that support this, and use the bible to find ways to support YOUR theory? I pray that it's the first. Because if tongues as the initial evidence of the infilling of the Holy Spirit(as I feel that I have been led by GOD while praying and studying his word) are not necessary and I feel that I TRUELY heard from GOD on that they are, I have nothing to worry about when he comes again to take his church away. But if you choose not to seek GOD and study the word of GOD for his interpretation and lean on your own understanding of the scripture, and when the second coming happens and speaking in tongues as the initial evidence of the infilling of the Holy Spirit is necessary, will you throw your Martian theory at God? Afterall, if you're not sure about something written, wouldn't you go directly to the person that inspired it and is ultimately the deciding factor as to whether you spend eternity with him or burn in Hell?

 

[SputnikBoy]

Why do I bother? I used 'Martian' to replace 'angels' merely to show the point of hyperbolic speech. Again, why do I bother?

One thing is clear and any of you on this board who don't 'speak in tongues' need to know this. What sehad and others are saying and believing (even though they may hedge around this) is that UNLESS YOU 'SPEAK IN TONGUES' YOU DON'T HAVE AN INFILLING OF THE HOLY SPIRIT. Furthermore, the ramifications of this belief is that ONE WHO IS NOT FILLED WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT SAVED!

So, there you have it. Unless you 'speak in tongues' (babble, utter meaningless nonsense, speak into the air) you are not saved according to a growing number of Pentecostals. Correct me if I'm wrong, someone, but it's my understanding that Charismatic Pentecostalism is the fastest growing denomination in western society. Should we be concerned by the increasing numbers of Benny Hinn type pastors and their sheep-like followers? Well, okay.

 

[SputnikBoy]

sputnik,

I don't mean this unkindly, Carrie, but this is a misrepresentation of what that scripture really means

NIV version
1Corinthians 14:2 For anyone who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God. Indeed noone understand him, He utters mysteries with his spirit
That's your spirit (holy spirit) i've heard talking to God.
I've heard it said that you don't know what your praying for but you know you've prayed perfectly.


KJV version
1Corinthians 14:2
For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue, speaketh not unto men but unto God: for no man understandeth him;how beit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.

1 Corinthians 14:2 (The Message)
2If you praise him in the private language of tongues, God understands you but no one else does, for you are sharing intimacies just between you and him.

1 Corinthians 14:2 (New Living Translation)
2For if your gift is the ability to speak in tongues,[a] you will be talking to God but not to people, since they won't be able to understand you. You will be speaking by the power of the Spirit, but it will all be mysterious

1 Corinthians 14:2 (Worldwide English (New Testament))
2The person who talks in tongues of a different language does not talk to people, but to God. People do not understand what he says. But he is saying secret things by the Spirit.

1 Corinthians 14:2 (New King James Version)
2 For he who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God, for no one understands him; however, in the spirit he speaks mysteries.


There's a few more translations of the same verse. They all say the same. nothing is taken out of context or misread, nothing is twisted. But it reads just as it says. i'm not grabbing from another part of the bible and trying to mislead you into believing what i think it means. I quoted to you exactly what it says.
How much more plain could it be written?

If anything your the one misleading people into believeing it means something other than what it says.

Carrie

:smt060

Carrie, presenting all of the scriptures in the world is pointless as long as you don't have an understanding of what they mean. But I appreciate the effort anyway.

Please don't give these Pentecostal chalatans (those who babble in church every week like pagans, those who 'slay in the spirit', those who giggle uncontrolably with 'holy laughter', those who are so 'possessed' by the spirit that they will emulate farm animals) TOO much encouragement!

And, if you don't know what I'm talking about (above) ...well, there you go. You need to research the issue both from a scriptural perspective and from an observational perspective. Doesn't ANYTHING throw up a red flag to some of you guys?

 

[sehad]

I really don't see many Martians documented in the bible, so this comparison is absolutely ridiculous. And according to JESUS CHRIST himself in Matthew 17:20, it is possible for a man to speak to a mountain and remove it if he has faith enough. Or would you question Jesus at his word also?

Secondly, God created man and woman in his image and walked and talked with them in the garden of Eden. To my knowledge, the language of that time is never recorded so do you know what language was spoken at that time?

I'm only assuming, please correct me if I'm wrong, but I would think that GOD would have to create a language in Adam and Eve. I really don't see them just talking on their own. Afterall, the very air that began Adam's life was the breath of GOD. Everything was one language until the tower of Babel, then GOD confused the languages. So ultimately, GOD is the author of all languages anyways.

Thirdly, does it ever say what language was used when the angels spoke to humans? Not to my knowledge.

Kind of dangerous claiming that a religion is false don't you think? Just because it doesn't fit into your way of thinking. Let me ask you this. Did you, SputnikBoy, pray for God's guidance, read the bible with an open mind allowing God to speak to you and guide you, and discover that this 'so called' speaking in tongues is nothing but babble, or did you take someone's else's teachings, find other PEOPLE's opinions and THEIR personal interpretation of the bible that support this, and use the bible to find ways to support YOUR theory?

Afterall, if you're not sure about something written, wouldn't you go directly to the person that inspired it and is ultimately the deciding factor as to whether you spend eternity with him or burn in Hell?

Sorry to be like the proverbial pit bull dog, SputnikBoy, but there are several comments and questions above that you've chosen to skip over. Is there any chance I can get a response to the above?

There is a religious group of people around where I live that carry around signs saying that GOD hates Gays and Lesbians(which GOD does not hate the person he hates the sin) and will stand in front of local churches with arrows pointing to the front doors with "This way to Hell" written under the arrows. When confronted and asked to explain themselves, they will simply take the opportunity to explain to you how you are going to Hell. They will position themselves around any public event screaming that everyone there is going to Hell. They are under the name Liberty Baptist. Now is it fair to assume that all Baptists are like this? Recently there was a problem with some Catholic priests and young boys. Is it fair to assume that all Catholic priests are like this? Is there a difference between Charismatic Pentecostalism and Pentecostalism? I've never seen anyone get blown on and fall out in the spirit(if you're familiar with Benny Hinn you understand this). And heaven forbid that they don’t fall when he blows, cause he's coming back to give them more. Seems breath mints are in order. I have and never EVER and never will support this type of ministry. I guess I'm one of those he cursed for not supporting 'this ministry'. And I’ve never seen anyone been so ‘possessed’ that they emulate farm animals. I’m thinking that if I was in a service and someone crawled by me barking like a dog or sounding like a sheep, that it would take me probably less than 3 seconds to make my way OUT. All you have done, SputnikBoy, is rant that I'm wrong and seemed to be somewhat offended and on some mission to prove me wrong instead of showing me what is right. As I've stated in earlier posts, I'm searching for the way to Heaven. If you can shed light on that, I'm all ears and I don't care if you’re Pentecostal, Catholic, Baptist, Church of GOD, Assembly of GOD, Non-denominational, etc. Cause, correct me if I'm wrong, nowhere in Revelation (or the entire bible for that matter) does it say that Christ will ask your religion during judgment, pull out your religion's 'rule book', and judge you based off of that. So if you can open my eyes and show me the way SputnikBoy, I'm open to what you have to say. Otherwise, as I've also said earlier, it's YOUR opinion from YOUR interpretation of GOD's word and it doesn't amount to a hill of beans.

I don't mean this unkindly, Carrie, but this is a misrepresentation of what that scripture really means

Could you please enlighten me on what it does mean?

 

[John the Baptist]

Quote: "Could you please enlighten me on what it does mean?"

John here:
I was invited to a ministerial convention with a huge attendance. Most likely nothing more needs to be said? I came out from the meeting with a full tape of such noise that no one could be heard. I most likely still have the recorded 'message' around here somewhere? Anyway, it started out in order for a few minutes & ended with a prayer line & with woman jumping around on chairs, sure, in dresses. And some men were laughing. (filled with the Holy Ghost, huh?)

After leaving and riding home, (3 of us) I was asked what I thought? I said that God requires everything to be done [decently] and in [order.]

And for the forum??? If God was inside that building & with that group of 'ministers', then my K.J. Bible is not His Words. But when the Word says 'HARLOTS' in Revelation, who is in this group? And we are not talking of individual members, but the leadership who never change for the better, and still teach the same old stuff of [open sin]!

Joshua 7:12's last part of the verse: "... neither will I [be with you any more, except ye destroy the accursed from among you."

 

[CarrieY]

sputnik,
It means that God is more than just this invisible person that you only hope exists. God is real and he can really talk to you. You don't just pray to him but you walk with him. And your spirit is praying with God. I sing often in my heart, and i probably have giggled more than once, enough times i guess. I never thought about it i guess, I've had feeling of dancing with Jesus while listening to my music in my rocking chair, and in Church, i've felt like the PASTOR who was singing was dancing with Jesus.Other times in Church I've felt during the worship time, like I could hear the Church sing and sound like God's children. I sing songs to Jesus it seems uncontrollable because it's just there, happening. And i don't acknowledge it as of The Holy Spirit untill i heard a lady on the radio talk about her relationship with the lord how she sang Love songs to him then it clicks in my mind, then i feel kinda bad because so many things happen that i don't acknowledge. But i think i'm quiet in my personality.

Sputnik, if you confess first for any sin that you may have (just as a precaution) , it's better to do this first but i'm not sure it's required and pray for God to help you to understand.

The tongues i believe is a way for God may to speak to your soul for things to come possibly? I don't exactly know why but i have observed it lots of times. I just don't think I have that gift and if i do i'm to scared to use it, because all people who have the gifts of tongues are in control of wether to use it or not. It gives you utterance but it's your choice to speak it.

I don't know how much you've observed it but I myself would love to have that gift. Pentecostal's seem more involved personally to me with God.
I was Catholic originally and i went to a Baptist Church with a friend of mine, and sometimes by myself, And i liked the Baptist but i liked the Pentecostal best, and i didn't even know it was Pentecostal till later on.
They just lay hands and pray over you to recieve the gift (baptized) of the Holy Spirit, it's that simple. Not all Pentecostal's believe everything the tv people do or are. But i know I believe in at least 1. And he will email you personally. I just sent a nasty letter to a guy off the Tv to take me off his mailing list, because i didn't feel he's sincere
I was looking into mormonism a guy i worked with gave me a card about it and i thought i'll check it out. Well after that time it seems all i heard about was mormons and i found out it's better not to be involved with that type of religion. (cult)

I have to go for now

Carrie

 

[gingercat]

Carry,

When you give non-believers this kind of testimony, you surely scare them away. Christianity is practical in real life, Your testimony don't sound real. It seems up in the cloud instead of down on the earth.

Our main mission is to reach out to the lost souls and not playing with our emotion.

 

[John the Baptist]

Carry,

When you give non-believers this kind of testimony, you surely scare them away. Christianity is practical in real life, Your testimony don't sound real. It seems up in the cloud instead of down on the earth.

Our main mission is to reach out to the lost souls and not playing with our emotion.

****

Personally I have no problem with some of this. The problem that I see is the emotional high with excitement, feeling, noise, & then thinking that that is OBEDIENCE. Acts 5:32
Surely many folks have conviction even with tears, yet, none are any more saved than was Nicodemus.

 

[SputnikBoy]

A quick message to sehad ...thanks for your above post. I do apologize for seemingly lumping you with some others and you have every right to be offended. I'm sure that there are Pentecostals and Pentecostals ...similarly with the particular denomination that I'm affiliated with ...SDA. I realize that you're learning and the truth is ...so am I. Anyway, I'll try to respond more fully to your post later in the day.

 

[CarrieY]

Carry,

When you give non-believers this kind of testimony, you surely scare them away. Christianity is practical in real life, Your testimony don't sound real. It seems up in the cloud instead of down on the earth.

Our main mission is to reach out to the lost souls and not playing with our emotion.

Any Church i've ever been to has always been orderly, I've never seen people just falling and being weird i guess if you want to call it. Maybe after they get saved or during a special time.
My Dad who is Catholic and dosen't really live by the bible went camping with a lady friend who is born again and he loved it. (a born again camping trip) It was a very emotional time even for him as well, he said he felt like his legs were shaking i guess and weak in the knees. He almost gave his life to Jesus but he didn't . not in the way she or myself would've liked.

Most of the books of the Bible are far out there if you think about it .
Does it seem possible God splitting the red sea?
Does it seem possible God talking to Moses through a burning bush?
The flood?
It all does. funny, not to long ago I was just having this discussion, that If i were a Catholic priest, Or Mother Teresa would it seem far off then? To be made to feel Like your hearing all God's children singing in Church?

I've even seen people as demons. My X pastors wife stole a blanket from a hospital just after her daughter gave birth. And she announced it to the ladies who were there (ladies night at church, special day) , and they laughed, even me a little, till i realized she was serious then i looked ahead and one of the elders wives, and she was still laughing.But just before i looked at the elders wife i looked at the pastor's wife, and i seen her as ugly, a hunched up demon. I don't even want to tell you, what happened after that when i got home, but she announced how she stole it to!
I've been made to feel like i'm in Hell. Like some of these people here are lost going no where. in hell, I look at them and i either feel like they're a demon or that they're in hell.
I've grieved for some of my family, I felt nothing but sorrow, and i cry and i cry. I talk while i cry because it feels so bad inside. I tell Jesus i don't want him to go to hell, or i'll take his place. It feels unimaginable, such sadness I try to picture that feeling again to type this to you. and i can't find the right word but sorrow and anguish.
Alot of this stuff dosen't take place in Church. And i don't usually share this with others except my Dad. I have discussed this tho with a Catholic Priest, and he said it sounds like your gifted. And i didn't even take that well. I think i gave God an attitude. I'm real shy at times and i have a hard time showing excitement for anything for myself because i know i don't. I can for others though I can hoot and hollar for them.

So guess I'm out in the clouds then because.
I tell you "As long as the Lord lives" i'm telling you the truth, and nothing but the truth.

And These experiences have nothing to do with MY church. I already had some experiences before when i began reading the bible. Nobody laid hands on me, noone prayed over me, it was just there. and I was Catholic at that time. Had nothing to do with being born again.

And i heard on the radio from a preacher and it makes sense it helps me understand myself, that in the bible when an angel visited you, :roll: it wasn't pleasant, it wasn't a big beautiful thing. something hard and scarey usually came with it. They don't just sit on the clouds playing harps. (altho i want to do that when i get heaven) :P just 1 time for a short while like an hour according to God's clock. . And if you think God is going to come down and tell people how wonderful the world is, and how proud he is of them, and give us the thumbs up sign . That's not how it works does it?
Everyone thinks God is just a genie waiting to give you your 3 wishes when half the time God is the last person on your mind, Noone follows the bible.not even me.
Have you ever seen God not judging people? Usually he's saying how wicked their actions are. or he's in judgment of a nation, or just a group of people. And i believe if i were to tell people that, they'd never believe God could be like that.

God loved the world so much he gave his only begotten son, that whosoever should believe in him should be saved. That means in All of what he says not just that he exists. God so loved the world not all of everyones actions, and hearts, and minds.


In Jesus
Carrie

:smt060

 

[CarrieY]

How could i ever talk to a bunch of people who don't take the whole bible as God's word. You don't even believe Paul.
We no longer needed to be circumsised as our hearts now are our circumsision.
We no longer need to sacrafice animals for our sins as Jesus was the sacrafice. He IS our sacrafice, He is the only reson we can come to God with boldness, and a clean conscience. If you don't believe that, and you think your good enough to get there on your own behavior, and observance of the law, then Good for you. you'll only wind up in hell. Noone gets to father except through me. Understand your not good enough to follow the law perfectly. If you break 1 law you've broken the whole law. Following the law leads to death. Acknowleding your not able to keep the law, Jesus is your mercy as long as you obey him. Anything else leads to death (hell) At some point in your life you've sinned. you broke the law. so now death must come out of your sin. So here Jesus was, a perfect man, no flaw in him, perfect, even Herod found no flaw in him, not even Judas , he said i've shed innocent blood.
So If we can go to heaven even tho we are lawbreakers. What a great day that'll be.
Paul's writings to me are like reading a rule book.
But it's good, he never said if you don't like the wife you have, find another.
He never said you can have as marriages as you want (someone needs to tells professing christians this rule) You only get 1 unless there's a death.
Then it becomes adultery.
He never says if you really want to colorize your language use alot of cuss words. God says never let any fowl word come from thy lips.
I feel like i'm sitting with the ugliest bunch of people in the world.
Are we all sitting here professing to be Christians yet poking fun at Paul or spitting in God's face because he sent Paul to preach what he preached?
It's so simple yet you've made it a puzzle to yourselves
What a sick bunch

Carrie

 

[CarrieY]

PS . I think the Liberty Baptist people are a bad representation of God or christianity.

And they're a bunch of sick people to

Carrie

 

[sehad]

Carrie, I can tell that everything you write on here is heart felt. If it is not, then you do a good job of making it seem so. Just be careful, it seems to me(just my observation from your posts), that you're beginning to possibly judge people unintentionally. Afterall, in 3 of the 4 gospels, Jesus was asked why he was hanging out with the crowd he was and he replied that the whole do not the physician, but the sick(Matthew 9:12, Mark 2:17, Luke 5:31). We are called to be separate from the world but to also be in the world. In other words, you have found something special in GOD and you want others to share it with you. Especially those that are not saved. This is the great commission to all Christians(to teach GOD to the unbelievers). But how can you teach GOD to someone, and let them know how great GOD is if you do not get to know them as a friend? The greatest witness you'll ever have is your own personal walk with GOD. You basically have to 'sell' yourself to them before you can ever truly share your experience with them about GOD. How many times have you seen someone in public handing out tracks or trying to talk about Christ and you go out of your way to get around them even though you are saved yourself and really agree with what they're saying?

A quick message to sehad ...thanks for your above post. I do apologize for seemingly lumping you with some others and you have every right to be offended. I'm sure that there are Pentecostals and Pentecostals ...similarly with the particular denomination that I'm affiliated with ...SDA. I realize that you're learning and the truth is ...so am I. Anyway, I'll try to respond more fully to your post later in the day.

I'm glad to see this post SputnikBoy. Apology accepted with no remorse. There is a difference between Charasmatic Pentecostal and Pentecostal(just so you know). I've learned far more by reading other's posts on here than I ever did just searching for myself. Plus, the fact that you're willing to admit that you are still learning yourself, shows me that you are openminded to what others have to say. I would not dare say that I am right and everyone else is wrong. Then I'm placing myself in the place of Christ. Big NO NO!

 

[CarrieY]

My posts are very heartfelt.
Is it right for Christians to reject the bible here? yet profess Jesus is their Lord? while i'm criticized for speaking up? Am I to watch people Judge the Bible and God's word? You can't judge God. For God will judge you one day. The bible states And the books were open (judgement) those are the books of the bible. Not to mention the book of remembrance. For I believe God keeps track of your words and so forth.
And i'm sorry i didn't judge unintentional . I've never read anything bad about the bible except here. And i think when you sit and watch people refer to it as the pauline ministry they're not new at this.
Therefore i judged intentional. It makes me mad!
And i may not doubt that Jesus might agree with me.


Carrie

 

[John the Baptist]

A Quote:
"But how can you teach GOD to someone, and let them know how great GOD is if you do not get to know them as a friend? The greatest witness you'll ever have is your own personal walk with GOD. You basically have to 'sell' yourself to them before you can ever truly share your experience with them about GOD. How many times have you seen someone in public handing out tracks or trying to talk about Christ and you go out of your way to get around them even though you are saved yourself and really agree with what they're saying?"

John here: I just want to comment on this. (not the poster, just the thought here)
I know a mature friend who told a few of us men that when he was a kid, he heard a man one Sat. nite, street preaching. He preached that 'you were going to hell if you did not change your ways'. I don't know what effect that, that had of Cliff, but he is now an Elder in a large church.

Perhaps it was 'sown seed'? I always believed that we were to scatter 'seed' & it was the Lord that gave the harvest. We even see Paul under inspiration pen Romans 2:14-15. This seed sowing for these Gentils did not even need us, huh?? Still they are said to have the Law of God in their hearts! By & through the study of God's creative nature. Amazing :o! They did not even need us? Wow! I am going to cry : & here I thought that God needed me?

Then too, there is the verse of Jude 1:23-24 for a couple different means that God ordains to reach the lost. 'And of some have compassion, making a difference ... And others save with fear, hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.'

Can you believe that John? (me!) First off God does not even depend on my weak 'efforts' & then I even see God using 'fear'?? and yes, we see that some need compassion, and these other dudes need fear.

But, yes, I surely agree that God does not care how one (bottom line) comes to Him, or why, as long as they do!! Then and only then can He recreate them with the heart of Love. Acts 5:32

Just one parting thought, how many would you venture a guess of the 'Broad way' ones of Matthew 7:13-14 of fearing God???