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Do you support OSAS(once saved always saved)?

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Kathi

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Why do you support OSAS or why do you not support it?
I support it and this is why.
Once saved always saved?"

Answer: Once a person is saved are they always saved? When people come to know Christ as their Savior, they are brought into a relationship with God that guarantees their salvation as eternally secure. Numerous passages of Scripture declare this fact.

(a) Romans 8:30 declares, "And those He predestined, He also called; those He called, He also justified; those He justified, He also glorified." This verse tells us that from the moment God chooses us, it is as if we are glorified in His presence in heaven. There is nothing that can prevent a believer from one day being glorified because God has already purposed it in heaven. Once a person is justified, his salvation is guaranteed - he is as secure as if he is already glorified in heaven.

(b) Paul asks two crucial questions in Romans 8:33-34 "Who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen? It is God who justifies. Who is he that condemns? Christ Jesus, who died more than that, who was raised to life - is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us." Who will bring a charge against God's elect? No one will, because Christ is our advocate. Who will condemn us? No one will, because Christ, the One who died for us, is the one who condemns. We have both the advocate and judge as our Savior.

(c) Believers are born again (regenerated) when they believe (John 3:3; Titus 3:5). For a Christian to lose his salvation, he would have to be un-regenerated. The Bible gives no evidence that the new birth can be taken away.

(d) The Holy Spirit indwells all believers (John 14:17; Romans 8:9) and baptizes all believers into the Body of Christ (1 Corinthians 12:13). For a believer to become unsaved, he would have to be "un-indwelt" and detached from the Body of Christ.

(e) John 3:15 states that whoever believes in Jesus Christ will "have eternal life." If you believe in Christ today and have eternal life, but lose it tomorrow, then it was never "eternal" at all. Hence if you lose your salvation, the promises of eternal life in the Bible would be in error.

(f) For the most conclusive argument, Scripture says it best itself, "For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord" (Romans 8:38-39). Remember the same God who saved you is the same God who will keep you. Once we are saved we are always saved. Our salvation is most definitely eternally secure!

Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/once-saved-always-saved.html#ixzz2uGeYFy2o
 
Here is another good Christian article.
For some, once saved always saved is one of the most powerful and meaningful doctrines of the Christian faith. For others, once saved always saved seems to be a damnable heresy, straight from the lips of Satan. Why is this debate so heated?

For starters, there are biblical texts that seem to argue for once saved always saved (John 10:28-29; Romans 8:38-39; Ephesians 4:3), and there are biblical texts that seem to argue against once saved always saved (Galatians 5:4; Hebrews 6:4-6; 10:26). So, biblical interpretation is definitely part of the debate. Secondly, there are the theological systems of Calvinism and Arminianism, with “perseverance of the saints” being a core truth within Calvinism and with “conditional security” being a core belief of most Arminians. Firmly held biblical and theological beliefs are a major part of the once saved always saved debate.

In my experience answering questions for GotQuestions.org, though, the biblical and theological arguments are not the reason once saved always saved is opposed. It always seems to come back to the issue of: “If once saved always saved is true, then we can live our lives any way we want to.” So, in reality, most who reject once saved always saved do so for a practical reason: how can we teach people to stop sinning if they remain saved no matter what they do? According to this line of thought, hellfire and eternal damnation are the only threats powerful enough to get people to stop sinning.

As someone who firmly believes in once saved always saved, I am often asked, “If once saved always saved is true, does that mean we can live our lives any way we want to?” And, what is my answer to that question? Ultimately, I have to answer “yes.” The sacrifice of Jesus Christ is so absolutely perfect and sufficient that it did indeed pay the penalty for ALL of our sins. Christ’s death paid for the sins we committed before the moment we received Him as Savior, and Christ’s death paid for the sins we commit after we receive Him as Savior.

So, while I would say “yes” to the idea that we can live our lives any way we want to without losing salvation, I would also say that a person who has truly received Jesus Christ as Savior will not live his/her life any way he/she wants to. When you understand the depravity of your sin, the eternal penalty you have earned, and the tremendous price Jesus paid, it is a transformational experience. When you become saved, you are a new creation (2 Corinthians 5:17), all things have become new. Once saved always saved is not a license to sin. Rather, it is an understanding that we could not earn salvation on our own merit, and therefore, nothing we can do will cause us to lose the salvation God has purchased with the blood of Christ.

Once saved always saved is the realization that God’s plan of salvation is absolutely perfect. A person whom God has chosen for salvation cannot be unsaved, unredeemed, unreconciled, unforgiven, lost, forsaken, abandoned, or thrown away. Good works and obedience cannot earn salvation, and neither can a lack thereof result in the loss of salvation. The biblical truth of once saved always saved puts the focus of salvation where it should be – on the holy and omnipotent God who finishes what He starts and never fails (Jude 24).

Related GotQuestions.org article: once saved always saved
 
As a Methodist with Arminian heritage I don't believe in "once saved always saved." I believe that righteous men who have accepted Christ's sacrifice and salvation, can ultimately turn from righteousness, reject Christ and "fall from grace."

I'm not a great believer in proof texts, as one can easily find conflicting texts, but if pressed I would refer to two scripture verses for support.


"When the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity; in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die." Ezek. 18:24


"If we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sin; but a certain fearful looking for of judgement and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses. Of how much sorer punishment shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing?" Heb. 10:26-29.


At a fundamental level I'm willing to accept certain mysteries in our Christian theology, and am content to leave to God those things only God can know. I confess, I've never considered OSAS as being an important element of theology on which to build my faith. God is sovereign, God will save whom God will save.
 
"Surely goodness and love and kindness shall follow me all the days of my life, and I will dwell in the House of the Lord forever".
Question: How did David know that he would dwell in the House of the Lord forever?
 
The only concern I have ever had about OSAS is that a person could do anything he wants to and still get to heaven.But this statement helped me with that.
So, while I would say “yes” to the idea that we can live our lives any way we want to without losing salvation, I would also say that a person who has truly received Jesus Christ as Savior will not live his/her life any way he/she wants to. When you understand the depravity of your sin, the eternal penalty you have earned, and the tremendous price Jesus paid, it is a transformational experience.
Would a person who is a true Christian want to live a life in sin all the time?We have many,many people in this world who call themselves Christians and go to church but they will not inherit the Kingdom of Heaven.
 
allenwynne said:
"Surely goodness and love and kindness shall follow me all the days of my life, and I will dwell in the House of the Lord forever".
Question: How did David know that he would dwell in the House of the Lord forever?
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That's a really good question that I reconciled within the Psalm itself.
"Thy rod and Thy staff, they comfort me."
 
david also begged god not take his Holy Spirit from him.

and NO I don't either. if jesus was to endure for us why would he tell the church to do that?
 
Kathi said:
The only concern I have ever had about OSAS is that a person could do anything he wants to and still get to heaven.But this statement helped me with that.
So, while I would say “yes” to the idea that we can live our lives any way we want to without losing salvation, I would also say that a person who has truly received Jesus Christ as Savior will not live his/her life any way he/she wants to. When you understand the depravity of your sin, the eternal penalty you have earned, and the tremendous price Jesus paid, it is a transformational experience.
Would a person who is a true Christian want to live a life in sin all the time?We have many,many people in this world who call themselves Christians and go to church but they will not inherit the Kingdom of Heaven.
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Someone can believe they lost their salvation and not want to live in sin all the time. In fact, they can Almost live the same life they were living before (on the outside, what people see). People see that they are not running around drinking, stealing, whatever and not realize that person is no longer praying, witnessing, etc. because they believe they lost their salvation. People can backslide, even Spurgeon believed this.
I believe that we have a very powerful God and He is in the business of restoration, not only for the unsaved but for the backslider, as well.
 
Some people will just barely by the skin of their teeth get into heaven.I think the Bible describes it like a man escaping from a burning building with only his shirt on his back.They will not receive rewards but at least they will be in heaven.
 
Kathi said:
Some people will just barely by the skin of their teeth get into heaven.I think the Bible describes it like a man escaping from a burning building with only his shirt on his back.They will not receive rewards but at least they will be in heaven.
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:)
I have to say this....I have wondered sometimes where certain expressions come from.
"by the skin of one's teeth" I believe is in Job and I think that Job actually said it but I'd have to look that up.
 
1 Corinthians 3:15 If anyone’s work is burned, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.

Luke 13:23-24 Then one said to Him, “Lord, are there few who are saved?”
And He said to them, 24 “Strive to enter through the narrow gate, for many, I say to you, will seek to enter and will not be able.
 
Kathi said:
1 Corinthians 3:15 If anyone’s work is burned, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.

Luke 13:23-24 Then one said to Him, “Lord, are there few who are saved?”
And He said to them, 24 “Strive to enter through the narrow gate, for many, I say to you, will seek to enter and will not be able.
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I understand why you posted the first scripture, the NT, skin of ones teeth. :)

But the second one, I don't understand how it fits into OSAS or as a response to a post? Please explain.
 
allenwynne said:
"Surely goodness and love and kindness shall follow me all the days of my life, and I will dwell in the House of the Lord forever".
Question: How did David know that he would dwell in the House of the Lord forever?
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God told him I'd guess.

Mar 12:36 For David himself said by the Holy Ghost, The LORD said to my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool.
 
Deborah13 said:
I understand why you posted the first scripture, the NT, skin of ones teeth. :)

But the second one, I don't understand how it fits into OSAS or as a response to a post? Please explain.
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I was thinking about those who really are not saved.Does a person who is in continual unrepentenant sin really love the Lord?Yes,they may call themselves Christians.We as children of God mess up sometimes but we ask for repentence right away because we love and respect God.We do our best to be servants for our Lord,to do and say what we feel God wants us to do.What about the husband who continually abuses his wife.Emotionally,verbally and physically.Does he really love her?Has the person who is a Christian in name only really been saved.OSAS deals with a person who is truly saved.
 
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I don't personally, because I find nothing in Scripture that suggests it. I do, however, find much that suggests salvation can be lost.

We need to remember that salvation is something none of us deserve to begin with - but OSAS basically tells us we can take it for granted and get by.

If we're going to be saved, but continue to deliberately live in sin - why shouldn't God take it away?

Hebrews 10 has already been quoted here, so I'll point out John 15:6.
“Anyone who does not remain in me is thrown away like a useless branch and withers. Such branches are gathered into a pile to be burned.” - NLT

Let me point out something really important here, because instead of “remain”, the KJV renders it “abide”.

That word in the Greek is μένῃ - and it means to remain, or to stay. So Jesus tells us straight up that if we don’t stay with Him - if we go with Him for awhile and then walk away - we will be cast forth and burned. You can't "stay" with something you never had to begin with.
 
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