Does God LOVE everybody

[Tenchi]

It's a strange idea, one Calvinists seem over-eager to encourage, that God doesn't love some of the people He has created. As has been observed already, God loves His own, those who have chosen to trust in Christ as their Savior and have yielded to him as their Lord (Galatians 3:26; Romans 10:9-10), with a familial love not extended to those outside of His family and kingdom (Romans 8:15). But Scripture is crystal clear that, though God hates sin and will judge unrepentant sinners according to their wickedness, He also loves sinners - so much so that He gave His only Son in atonement for their sin (2 Corinthians 5:21; Hebrews 10:10) that they might, through His Son, be reconciled to Himself (Colossians 1:19-22).

John 1:29
29 The next day he saw Jesus coming to him and said, "Behold, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!

What did John the Baptist say about what Christ would do? He would take away the sin of the world. That's an all-encompassing statement that John made - one that challenges the Calvinist idea that God only actually loves a comparatively few people in the world.

Jesus offers us further insight into God the Father's attitude toward the lost when he said:

Luke 6:34-36
35 "But love your enemies, and do good, and lend, expecting nothing in return; and your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High; for He Himself is kind to ungrateful and evil men.
36 "Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful.

What of God's hatred of the wicked? It is a strange hatred of evil men that shows mercy and kindness to them. Yes, God will judge their sin, with just and holy wrath punishing their rebellion and wickedness should they die unrepentant of these things, but He would rather not since He takes no pleasure in the death of the wicked (Ezekiel 18:23), desiring, instead, that none would perish but all would come to repentance (2 Peter 3:9).

God must show such mercy and kindness to all who become His children because they are all of them as Paul the apostle described in Titus 3:3:

3 For we also once were foolish ourselves, disobedient, deceived, enslaved to various lusts and pleasures, spending our life in malice and envy, hateful, hating one another.

But Paul goes on:

4 But when the kindness of God our Savior and His love for mankind appeared,
5 He saved us...

God loves mankind, in Christ showing love to all humanity, foolish, hateful, deceived and disobedient though it is. And so, it is no surprise to read Paul's words to Timothy:

1 Timothy 2:3-6
3 This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior,
4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.
5 For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,
6 who gave Himself as a ransom for all, the testimony given at the proper time.

If the Calvinist doesn't rework these verses/passages so that they conform to the Calvinist doctrine of Limited Atonement, the Calvinist systematic collapses. And so, they rush to convince others that "mankind," and "the world," and "all men" are to be understood in exactly the opposite of the all-encompassing sense in which they would be understood if one is reading these phrases in a natural and straightforward way. And what contortions they are compelled to make in order to deny the plain statements of God's word! To this, I would simply say: Remember the principle of Occam's Razor.

John 3:16-17
16 "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.
17 "For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him.

 

[brightfame52]

You existed in God foreknowledge. Paul is simply showing in these passages that it is who God calls and chooses that makes the difference.

Rom 9:18 Therefore He has mercy on whom He wills, and whom He wills He hardens.
Rom 9:16 So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy.

That applies to us now 2,000 years later and for however many more years still have to go.

My point was, I had nothing to do with God hating esau, that was Gods Sovereign choice.

 

[robertantilla]

You hear this a lot, but everybody really defines what they mean by love.

Deut 10:15 The LORD delighted only in your fathers, to love them; and He chose their descendants after them, you above all peoples, as it is this day.

The word "delighted" according to Strongs:
Delighted = 2836. chashaq
Usage: The Hebrew verb "chashaq" primarily conveys a sense of deep affection, attachment, or love. It often implies a strong emotional bond or desire, whether between individuals or between God and His people. The term can denote both human and divine love, emphasizing a committed and intentional choice to love or be attached to someone or something.

It is clear that God is saying that He only delighted in and loved their fathers (Abraham, Isaac and Jacob) above everybody else.

Amo 3:2 "You only have I known of all the families of the earth; Therefore I will punish you for all your iniquities."

Known = H3045 Yada
Usage: The Hebrew verb "yada" encompasses a range of meanings related to knowledge and understanding. It is used to describe intellectual awareness, experiential knowledge, and intimate familiarity. In the biblical context, "yada" often implies a deep, personal, and relational knowledge, such as the intimate relationship between God and His people or between individuals.

I'm not trying to imply that God doesn't have some kind of benevolence toward everybody else, but God has said that there are some He delights in over others.

Everybody? What does God say?

Mal 1:3
And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritagewaste for the dragons of the wilderness.
Rom 9:13
As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

No, he doesn’t love everybody.

 

[Tenchi]

John 3:16-17
16 "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.
17 "For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him.

 

[WalterandDebbie]

It's a strange idea, one Calvinists seem over-eager to encourage, that God doesn't love some of the people He has created. As has been observed already, God loves His own, those who have chosen to trust in Christ as their Savior and have yielded to him as their Lord (Galatians 3:26; Romans 10:9-10), with a familial love not extended to those outside of His family and kingdom (Romans 8:15). But Scripture is crystal clear that, though God hates sin and will judge unrepentant sinners according to their wickedness, He also loves sinners - so much so that He gave His only Son in atonement for their sin (2 Corinthians 5:21; Hebrews 10:10) that they might, through His Son, be reconciled to Himself (Colossians 1:19-22).

John 1:29
29 The next day he saw Jesus coming to him and said, "Behold, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!

What did John the Baptist say about what Christ would do? He would take away the sin of the world. That's an all-encompassing statement that John made - one that challenges the Calvinist idea that God only actually loves a comparatively few people in the world.

Jesus offers us further insight into God the Father's attitude toward the lost when he said:

Luke 6:34-36
35 "But love your enemies, and do good, and lend, expecting nothing in return; and your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High; for He Himself is kind to ungrateful and evil men.
36 "Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful.

What of God's hatred of the wicked? It is a strange hatred of evil men that shows mercy and kindness to them. Yes, God will judge their sin, with just and holy wrath punishing their rebellion and wickedness should they die unrepentant of these things, but He would rather not since He takes no pleasure in the death of the wicked (Ezekiel 18:23), desiring, instead, that none would perish but all would come to repentance (2 Peter 3:9).

God must show such mercy and kindness to all who become His children because they are all of them as Paul the apostle described in Titus 3:3:

3 For we also once were foolish ourselves, disobedient, deceived, enslaved to various lusts and pleasures, spending our life in malice and envy, hateful, hating one another.

But Paul goes on:

4 But when the kindness of God our Savior and His love for mankind appeared,
5 He saved us...

God loves mankind, in Christ showing love to all humanity, foolish, hateful, deceived and disobedient though it is. And so, it is no surprise to read Paul's words to Timothy:

1 Timothy 2:3-6
3 This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior,
4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.
5 For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,
6 who gave Himself as a ransom for all, the testimony given at the proper time.

If the Calvinist doesn't rework these verses/passages so that they conform to the Calvinist doctrine of Limited Atonement, the Calvinist systematic collapses. And so, they rush to convince others that "mankind," and "the world," and "all men" are to be understood in exactly the opposite of the all-encompassing sense in which they would be understood if one is reading these phrases in a natural and straightforward way. And what contortions they are compelled to make in order to deny the plain statements of God's word! To this, I would simply say: Remember the principle of Occam's Razor.

John 3:16-17
16 "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.
17 "For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him.

Yea, He also says, If you Love Me Keep My Commandments.

 

[Tenchi]

Yea, He also says, If you Love Me Keep My Commandments.

There is no other motive for our obedience to God that He will accept than our love for Him. But don't confuse cause with effect. Love is the cause of the effect of obedience; these things aren't one-and-the-same thing.

 

[Tenchi]

Yea, He also says, If you Love Me Keep My Commandments.

There is no other motive for our obedience to God that He will accept than our love for Him. But don't confuse cause with effect. Love is the cause of the effect of obedience; these things aren't one-and-the-same thing.

 

[brightfame52]

His Great Love quickens the Dead !

I know that God does not Love everyone without exception because everyone without exception is not and will not be quickened because of His Great Love. Eph 2:4-5

4But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,

5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved )

God performed this deed for those He Loved while they were dead in sins. Not when they repented or when they came in Faith, but even while dead. In fact coming in repentance and faith are direct results of having been quickened or made alive.

The psalmist wrote once this Ps 80:18

18So will not we go back from thee: quicken us, and we will call upon thy name.

The calling upon the name of the Lord follows the quickening..

God's Love to those He Loves is not just a mere emotion, but it is also application. God's Love gives Life [spiritual] to dead sinners.

This was Illustrated with Jesus and the story of Lazarus See Jn 11:3,36

Lazarus was one for scripture says Jesus loved " behold, how He loved him"

Christ love was demonstrated by quickening Lazarus from the dead.

God nor Christ's Love could be of no lesser degree of that which they command of their followers. 1 Jn 3:16-18

16 Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.

17 But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?

18 My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.

Let us Love in deed. The word deed is the same word in the greek for work, its the word ergon and it means doing !

James using the almost same identical situation adds this James 2:


15If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,

16And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?

Does not God's Love give those He Loves what is needful for their souls.

God's Love gives those He loves, and sees them dead in trespasses and sins, He is mover with compassion and gives them life from the dead. Love expresses itself in deed to the brethren.

Now are not those Christ died for considered His brethren ? Heb 2:11,17

11For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren,


17Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.

Where they not His Brethren before they believed in Him ? Yes they were, thats why He was made like unto them to deliver them from their spiritual ruin and enmity against God.

Was He not the Firstborn of many Brethren who had not yet been born sinners ? Rom 8:29

29For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

If Christ sees one of His Brethren dead in trespasses and sins, and He has all Power in His Hands, will He suffer His Brethren, whom for sure He Loves, to remain helpless in that dead state ? Cannot and will He not quicken whomsoever He wills? Jn 5:21

21For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will. Certainly He will s to quicken those He Loves, He laid His life down for them. Jn 15:13

Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.

Scripture says that He died for them while they were yet enemies, and in spite of that, by His death He reconciled them to God, and those so reconciled [even while dead in sin and enemies] Shall be saved[Experientially] by His Life. That says it all.

It can read Shall be quickened by His Life, made alive. So, those who die in their sins, dead to God, alienated from Him, God did not Love them, nor did Christ Love them and Lay down His Life for them, if He did ,He would have quickened them, made them alive, saved them. Eph 2:5

5Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved)

Ye see that ? The quickening results in being saved by Grace. 3

 

[Tenchi]

How much needs to be said when denying the plain declaration of God's word! But in reply, one only needs to let Scripture speak for itself:


John 3:16-17
16 "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.
17 "For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him.

Titus 3:4-5
4 But when the kindness of God our Savior and His love for mankind appeared,
5 He saved us...

Acts 17:30
30 "Therefore having overlooked the times of ignorance, God is now declaring to men that all people everywhere should repent,

1 Timothy 2:5-6
5 For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,
6 who gave Himself as a ransom for all, the testimony given at the proper time.

John 12:46
46 I am come a light into the world, that whoever believes on me should not abide in darkness.

Romans 10:13
13 For whoever will call upon the name of the Lord will be saved.

John 1:29
29 The next day John saw Jesus coming unto him, and said, Behold the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world.

John 6:33
33 For the bread of God is he who comes down from heaven, and gives life unto the world.

John 6:51
51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.

2 Corinthians 5:19
19 namely, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself...

1 John 2:2
2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

1 John 4:14
14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

There is no other motive for our obedience to God that He will accept than our love for Him. But don't confuse cause with effect. Love is the cause of the effect of obedience; these things aren't one-and-the-same thing.

The other motive is to live peacefully, naturally and contently as God intended. If you don't, you automatically live as Satan intended, that's the only alternative.

 

[brightfame52]

Jer 31:3

Jer 31:3

3 The LORD hath appeared of old unto me, saying, Yea, I have loved thee with an everlasting love: therefore with lovingkindness have I drawn thee.

Those whom God Loves He Loves them with an everlasting Love, centered in Jesus Christ whom He Loved with an Everlasting Love Jn 17:23-24

23I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

24Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.

For God could never tell any Being He Loved them with an everlasting Love apart from Christ Rom 8:39

39Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

And since this True, He draws all so Loved to Himself. He does this by putting His Spirit in them.

The word lovingkindness is the word checed and can mean Faithfulness or mercy. Its translated mercy 149 times in the OT

The word drawn denotes the efficaciousness of His Grace.

This refers to the Church, which at that time was mostly confined to the jews, and this Love and Faithfulness is due to the Everlasting Covenant or the New Covenant. Later in the same Chapter we have this : Jer 31:31-34

31Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

32Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:

33But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

34And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

The Fruit and Effect of God's Love will always draw individuals to Christ, to find their Life in Him , which Life they had in Him as His Seed, being Chosen in Him before the foundation.

 

[Tenchi]

The other motive is to live peacefully, naturally and contently as God intended. If you don't, you automatically live as Satan intended, that's the only alternative.

Well, Scripture indicates no other motive for walking with God that He will accept than love. The apostle Paul wrote that without love - first for God and then for others (Matthew 22:36-39) - all that one might say, or know, or do is spiritually useless.

1 Corinthians 13:1-3
1 If I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but do not have love, I have become a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal.
2 If I have the gift of prophecy, and know all mysteries and all knowledge; and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing.
3 And if I give all my possessions to feed the poor, and if I surrender my body to be burned, but do not have love, it profits me nothing.

The First and Great Commandment of God isn't to live as you've described above, but to love God with all of one's being. Out of obedience to this commandment all the rest of the Christian life is to flow, and if it doesn't, God rejects it as useless, since every other motive we might fix on - fear, guilt, obligation, piety, self-righteousness - is ultimately self-centered rather than God-centered.

Fear, in particular, a craven cowering before God as a wrathful Punisher, has no place in Christian living. Such fear is cast out as God's love is perfected in His child.

1 John 4:16-19
16 We have come to know and have believed the love which God has for us. God is love, and the one who abides in love abides in God, and God abides in him.
17 By this, love is perfected with us, so that we may have confidence in the day of judgment; because as He is, so also are we in this world.
18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casts out fear, because fear involves punishment, and the one who fears is not perfected in love.
19 We love, because He first loved us.

The effect of walking with God in love is that we come to enjoy all the good things He is: Peace, joy, patience, gentleness, goodness, etc. (Galatians 5:22-23). This is where the Christian's contentment, and inner state of calm (peace), and desire to conform to God's design of things (natural living) is properly found.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

The First and Great Commandment of God isn't to live as you've described above, but to love God with all of one's being. Out of obedience to this commandment all the rest of the Christian life is to flow, and if it doesn't, God rejects it as useless, since every other motive we might fix on - fear, guilt, obligation, piety, self-righteousness - is ultimately self-centered rather than God-centered.

Nonetheless all will be judged according to how they live. Justified by God are the Gentiles who don't know the law and maybe don't even know God, yet God's law is written in their hearts and their conscience bears witness.

For not the hearers of the law are just in the sight of God, but the doers of the law will be justified; for when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do the things in the law, these, although not having the law, are a law to themselves, who show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and between themselves their thoughts accusing or else excusing them). - Rom. 2:13-15

Also, FEAR of God is a legitimate motive valued by God. God rejects reckless egomaniacs who have no fear of Him.

The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge, But fools despise wisdom and instruction. (Prov. 1:7)
There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was blameless and upright, and one who feared God and shunned evil. - Job 1:1

 

[Zceptre]

God loving people doesn't save them if they hate Him.

He proved He loves us all because He died for us while we were yet sinners.

Whether we accept salvation determines if we are saved.

God offers.

Most decline.

This is not a fault on God's part.

He made His move.

God loves them, but not everyone loves Him back...

 

[brightfame52]

God is Love !


1 Jn 4:8

He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.

God is Love has been one of the Truth's that false religion has used to deny other Truths about God, like for instance, what the bible sets forth as God's main Attribute, and That is God is Holy !

Ps 99:9

Exalt the LORD our God, and worship at his holy hill; for the LORD our God is holy.

Isa 5:16

But the LORD of hosts shall be exalted in judgment, and God that is holy shall be sanctified in righteousness.

Isa 43:3

For I am the LORD thy God, the Holy One of Israel, thy Saviour

This attribute so describes God that Isa says Thrice of Him Isa 6:3

3And one cried unto another, and said, Holy, holy, holy, is the LORD of hosts: the whole earth is full of his glory.

Never do we read in scripture Love,Love, Love is the Lord of Hosts !

So God's Love is and must be a Holy Love, a Love that arises from His Holiness, a Love directed by His Holiness and Justice for sin and evil which He hates. God cannot and will not Love anyone or anything He views as Unholy, because He hates evil and is of purer eyes to behold it favorably Hab 1:13

Thou art of purer eyes than to behold evil, and canst not look on iniquity: wherefore lookest thou upon them that deal treacherously, and holdest thy tongue when the wicked devoureth the man that is more righteous than he?

God hates evil which is to include wicked people or persons as individuals Ps 5:5

5The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.

God hates the foolish, that is such as have not had Christ made unto them wisdom 1 Cor 1:30

30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption

God has left them in their own foolish wisdom which is devilish James 2:14-15

14 But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth.

15 This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish.

They also are the workers of iniquity, emphasis on the individuals WORKERS of Iniquity, God hates them, because they are outside of God's Elective Purpose in Christ whereby their sins are not covered Ps 32:1-2

1Blessed is he whose transgression is forgiven, whose sin is covered.

2Blessed is the man unto whom the LORD imputeth not iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no guile.

They are not blessed of God and God charges their iniquities unto them, so they are justly called workers of iniquity, in contrast to those blessed in Election, and whom God will not impute iniquity to their Charge.

God hates any and all whom He did Love and Choose in Christ before the world began. Eph 1:4-5; Rom 8:39 Only those sinners God Loved in Christ are Loved by God Rom 8:39

39Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

In the original the definite article precedes Love of God It is the only Love God has, its anchored in Christ Jesus our Lord. All those Chosen in Him before the world began are Loved by God 2 Tim 1:9


9Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

These, though sinners by nature, are still viewed by God as Holy and without Blame before Him in Love Eph 1:4

4According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

They are already Holy and without blame positionally and legally,but God is fulfilling His purpose through Jesus Christ that they will also be that way experientially !

And that's why God can Love them as sinners, because He views them in Christ Jesus.

This however is in total contrast to those sinners He did choose in Christ, did not Love in Christ, these be the ones He hates Ps 5:5. So God is Love to those He sent Christ into the world to be a propitiation for their sins 1 Jn 4:10

Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.

If Christ was the propitiation for their sins, then they would not be viewed by God as workers of iniquity, who obviously have their sins charged to them, for God does not charge sin to those He loved, but charged it upon their Saviour Substitute Isa 53:6

6All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

That cannot include those who God calls the workers of iniquity Ps 5:5

These God has not been propitiated for by Christ, which if God Loved them, would have been !

So God is Love, but only and exclusively in Christ Jesus our Lord ! 3

 

[brightfame52]

Zceptre

God loving people doesn't save them if they hate Him.

False, Gods Love for them through Jesus Christ saves them from the sin of hating Him, Christ saves them He died for from their sins Matt 1:21

And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.
Saul hated Christ at first and His people, but when Christ saved him He gave him faith and love for Christ 1 Tim 1:12-15
12 And I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who hath enabled me, for that he counted me faithful, putting me into the ministry;

13 Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.

14 And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.

15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.

Now those who are never saved, they were never loved by God, because Gods love for one effects a return love for Him everytime

1 Jn 4 19


We love him, because he first loved us.

 

[Zceptre]

False, Gods Love for them through Jesus Christ saves them from the sin of hating Him, Christ saves them He died for from their sins Matt 1:21

John 3:36
He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.”

1 John 5:12
He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life.

 

[brightfame52]

John 3:36
He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.”

1 John 5:12
He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life.

Gods Love for them through Jesus Christ saves them from the sin of hating Him, Christ saves them He died for from their sins Matt 1:21; and no one Christ died for as the wrath of God abiding on them, Christ took away wrath for them.

 

[Zceptre]

Gods Love for them through Jesus Christ saves them from the sin of hating Him, Christ saves them He died for from their sins Matt 1:21; and no one Christ died for as the wrath of God abiding on them, Christ took away wrath for them.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say you are arguing for universalism, meaning that all people are saved by Christ's sacrificial gift of Himself on the cross for us.

If you are then there isn't really anything for me to say at this point. The scriptures are very, very clear here and if one does not perceive the reality thereof they are at odds with the Bible.

People can read these verses for themselves and decide if they think rejecting Christ and being saved anyway is what God meant when He wrote this through John and said it Himself.

I certainly am not getting into a debate over a point God so clearly outlined. It is just too abundantly obvious what God is saying. There isn't anything to add or explain.

To each their own. God didn't mince His words or speak in riddles here.

 

[brightfame52]

Zceptre

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say you are arguing for universalism

Not even close, I see this conversation is way over your head.