All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work. 2 Timothy 3:16
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All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work. 2 Timothy 3:16
You mean everything I addressed above?
Well, everyone has eyes and a mouse.
They can scroll and read them.
We know that Christ did not Love all men without exception because scripture teaches that those He Loved that He washed them with His blood and made them a king and priest unto God. Rev 1:5-7
5And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,
6And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
7Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
So these Three go together, Christ Loved, washed and made ! These three actions of Christ are not dependent upon the freewill of men, but attributed only to Him doing His Father's will and to Him alone belongs Glory and Dominion forever and ever !
Now unless we believe that Christ has washed all men without exception from their sins, and made all men without exception Kings and Priest unto God His Father, then there is no biblical warrant to believe nor teach that Christ, Loved all men without exception ! 3
5And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,
6And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
7Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
So these Three go together, Christ Loved, washed and made ! These three actions of Christ are not dependent upon the freewill of men, but attributed only to Him doing His Father's will and to Him alone belongs Glory and Dominion forever and ever !
Now unless we believe that Christ has washed all men without exception from their sins, and made all men without exception Kings and Priest unto God His Father, then there is no biblical warrant to believe nor teach that Christ, Loved all men without exception ! 3
More on Jn 3:16
Many have tried to use this verse to teach the lie that God loved all of mankind, but that is not even what the verse states. Salvation and the Love of God were not privileged secluded to the ethnic jews. Through Christ, the middle wall of partition is broken down Eph 2:11-16
by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
12That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
13But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
14For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
15Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
16And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
Gal 3:28-29
28There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Col 3:11
11Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.
There simply is no national, or political distinctions in the New Covenant, which is in Christ Blood 1 Cor 11:25
25After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, this cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me. 3
Many have tried to use this verse to teach the lie that God loved all of mankind, but that is not even what the verse states. Salvation and the Love of God were not privileged secluded to the ethnic jews. Through Christ, the middle wall of partition is broken down Eph 2:11-16
by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
12That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
13But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
14For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
15Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
16And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
Gal 3:28-29
28There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Col 3:11
11Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.
There simply is no national, or political distinctions in the New Covenant, which is in Christ Blood 1 Cor 11:25
25After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, this cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me. 3
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. John 3:16
- For God so loved the world
Where in this statement from Jesus Christ do you find where God’s love is excluded from the world?
What is it about… For God so loved the world that excludes His love for the world?
Why would Jesus lie about God’s love for the world?
Jesus' words later:
John 17:9 "I pray for them. I do not pray for the world but for those whom You have given Me, for they are Yours.
John 10:15 As the Father knows Me, even so I know the Father; and I lay down My life for the sheep.
John 10:16 And other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I must bring, and they will hear My voice; and there will be one flock and one shepherd.
Jesus foreknows those who are His through all Earth history.
John 10:26 But you do not believe, because you are not of My sheep . . .
If those in verse 26 weren't sheep, they must be:
Mat 25:33 And He will set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left.
You guys have to interpret John 3:16 with universalist language to make it say what you want.
Let's interpret it with other things Jesus says:
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, so that the sheep He lays His life down for - those whom You have given Him - should not perish but have everlasting life.
Do you believe Jesus changed His mind about God’s love for the world?
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. John 3:16
- For God so loved the world
Where in this statement from Jesus Christ do you find where God’s love is excluded from the world?
What is it about… For God so loved the world that excludes His love for the world?
Why would Jesus lie about God’s love for the world?
More on Jn 3:16
Now many today in their fleshly religious zeal, void of the Spirit, have imposed a most unscriptural meaning to the word world in Jn 3:16, they erroneously have it meaning all men and women without exception or the whole human race, but that's not what Jn 3:16 states or means. This fabrication does not pass the test of scripture. For example Jn 1:10
10He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
In this one verse we find the word world [kosmos] with three different meanings. The first instance means, He lived on this earth, He tabernacled among men, Second it means He created all things, He created the orderly arrangement, and third, the word world primarily means the Jewish world were He conducted His Ministry, and who hated Him without cause. So in this one verse alone we have diverse meanings, none of which honestly means all mankind without exception. Wherever the word world is found it should be subject to its context, a word should not dictated a subject, but the subject the word.
Now many today in their fleshly religious zeal, void of the Spirit, have imposed a most unscriptural meaning to the word world in Jn 3:16, they erroneously have it meaning all men and women without exception or the whole human race, but that's not what Jn 3:16 states or means. This fabrication does not pass the test of scripture. For example Jn 1:10
10He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
In this one verse we find the word world [kosmos] with three different meanings. The first instance means, He lived on this earth, He tabernacled among men, Second it means He created all things, He created the orderly arrangement, and third, the word world primarily means the Jewish world were He conducted His Ministry, and who hated Him without cause. So in this one verse alone we have diverse meanings, none of which honestly means all mankind without exception. Wherever the word world is found it should be subject to its context, a word should not dictated a subject, but the subject the word.
Yes, it makes the most sense to understand it in John 3:16 as the "whole creation."
Rom 8:19 For the earnest expectation of the creation eagerly waits for the revealing of the sons of God. 20 For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it in hope; 21 because the creation itself also will be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
Hosea 2:18 In that day I will make a covenant for them With the beasts of the field, With the birds of the air, And with the creeping things of the ground. Bow and sword of battle I will shatter from the earth, To make them lie down safely.
Mark 14:24 And He said to them, "This is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many.
But the plan was more than to just redeem people. In redeeming the elect, He redeems creation.
Im speaking about people, the rest of creation is for their sake, their inheritance Rom 4:13
13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.
I dont believe Christ died for trees , and Love is the catalyst of His Death Eph 5:25
5 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
2 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,
And Im not going to argue the point on whether He loved the Trees
Please address the words of Jesus and answer the questions I asked.
Do you believe Jesus changed His mind about God’s love for the world?
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. John 3:16
- For God so loved the world
Where in this statement from Jesus Christ do you find where God’s love is excluded from the world?
What is it about… For God so loved the world that excludes His love for the world?
Why would Jesus lie about God’s love for the world?
There was no change of mind. That's merely your straw man. Your 2nd question is invalid, because the world is not excluded. The people excluded are those who persist in unbelief until the end. IOW, the "many called" which are not the "few chosen."
It is error to pit scripture against scripture which you seem to be doing, that is, Jn 3:16 against Jn. 17:9. In Jn. 17:9 is it not obvious that those He is praying for are only the elect, who "will believe on account of their word"? If He says "I am not praying for the world", does this mean He is not praying for every person without exception? But the context demands that we understand "the world" in this sense has a scope, and that scope is all who will not ever believe in Him. Do you agree?
So Jn. 3:16 also has a context, and it is erroneous to assume anything about it without examining the context. It is also erroneous to assume something about it that is in conflict with other scripture. So interpretation is important in understanding the meaning. Would you agree that given Jn. 17:6 that the love of God is greater for believers than for unbelievers? Doesn't natural love tell us that love is not a switch either on or off, that it has degrees?
If we say that the context of Jn. 3:16 is the "whole world," then does this not imply that God's love is in greater degree for those who believe in Christ than those who perish? We cannot exclude the wider context of scripture in which God declares that He hates certain people who exhibit wickedness, malice, etc. So then, "the world" in the context of Jn. 3:16 must mean that God loves the whole world in a generic sense, so that He is not talking about every individual. The greater love goes toward those who believe, because they are given eternal life. But 3:36 says, "he who believes has eternal life, but he who does not believe will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him." Therefore, if anyone hears Jn. 3:16 and hopes that he is one of those whom God loves (because he is part of the world), then that person has the opportunity to be reconciled to God and obtain eternal life. But whoever disregards Jn. 3:16, that person does not have any opportunity. I think we could agree on that, couldn't we?
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Now lets look at Jn 15:18-19
18 If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.
19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.
In these Two verses the word world is used several times but it is limited to the meaning of those who persecuted them who stood for the Truth ! The word is never used here as all mankind without exception ! 4
Now lets look at Jn 15:18-19
18 If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.
19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.
In these Two verses the word world is used several times but it is limited to the meaning of those who persecuted them who stood for the Truth ! The word is never used here as all mankind without exception ! 4
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. John 3:16
- For God so loved the world
Do you believe this statement from our Lord about God loving the world?
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Now John 17:9
Lets look at the word world [kosmos] in John 17:9
9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.
The world here surely does not mean the same as it does in Jn 3:16, why would Christ deny it to be the object of His Intercession and Prayer ?
The world here are all those among mankind that do not belong to God, yes He is still their Creator, but He is not their Covenant God, they belong to the wicked one, the Devil, and they were never given to Christ in Election as His Sheep. The world in Jn 3:16 is the World that God gave to the Son as in those He prays for in Jn 17:9 " those thou hast given me"
So, those God the Father has given the Son which the Son does Pray for is a World Jn 3:16 and those whom the Father hath not given the Son which the Son does not Pray for as in Jn 17:9 is a world.
Lets look at the word world [kosmos] in John 17:9
9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.
The world here surely does not mean the same as it does in Jn 3:16, why would Christ deny it to be the object of His Intercession and Prayer ?
The world here are all those among mankind that do not belong to God, yes He is still their Creator, but He is not their Covenant God, they belong to the wicked one, the Devil, and they were never given to Christ in Election as His Sheep. The world in Jn 3:16 is the World that God gave to the Son as in those He prays for in Jn 17:9 " those thou hast given me"
So, those God the Father has given the Son which the Son does Pray for is a World Jn 3:16 and those whom the Father hath not given the Son which the Son does not Pray for as in Jn 17:9 is a world.