Jethro Bodine
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There is still a judgment by fire to come. Believers who are already saved and belong to God must continue to believe to the very end or else they will not be saved from the final judgement of fire.
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Desire to be a vessel of honor unto the Lord Jesus Christ?
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Depending upon the Holy Spirit for all you do?
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Bible Study Does James 2 Teach Works for Salvation?
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Jethro Bodine
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No, it's not unbiblical.
The danger of 'faith alone' is taught in James 2:24. But you think it means a person is not made righteous unless they have faith and works to make them righteous. That's not what it means. The argument you don't agree with that you confuse with James' argument is in Romans 4:6. Paul says, like Abraham, a person is MADE RIGHTEOUS by faith ALL BY ITSLELF APART FROM WORKS. But that faith will not be 'alone'. It will produce works to validate that faith as having made that person righteous. What James is talking about is having the faith that can be seen in one's deeds. He is not talking about having a faith that makes your righteous by what it does:
James 2:18
18...I will show you my faith by my deeds.
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How do you suppose sins were washed away when John the baptist was baptizing folks "for the remission of sins"?
"John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins." (Mark 1:4)
He used water.
"And there went out unto him all the land of Judaea, and they of Jerusalem, and were all baptized of him in the river of Jordan, confessing their sins." (Mark 1:5)
Jethro Bodine
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By the mercy and grace of God.
That's the only thing in all of creation that can remove sin guilt.
So you believe Jesus is glorifying Mary here for who did the will of God more perfectly than Mary? Lk 1:41-45
And we cannot praise her enough!
Her exalted dignity for out reaches our poor efforts of praise and veneration
Jn 2 Jesus says no to Mary, my hour hath not come (his hour is set by the father as a divine law) but He performs the miracle why?
What is the new song of salvation?
Psalm 33:3, 40:3, 96:1, 98:1, and 149:1
Biblical Mary, mother of God, ever Virgin, sinless, mother of our salvation!
Mother of God Lk 1:43
Immaculate conception (sinless) gen 3:15 enmity or total war none of satans works are found in Mary!
Also Lk 1:28 full of grace lk 1:49 great things plural (immaculate conception of Mary and the miraculous conception of Jesus) Rev12:1 woman clothed with the sun. Immaculate purity
Without Mary being immaculate the Holy Spirit could not conceive the “holy” son of God in Her!
Lk 1:30 found favor with God (the salvation lost by Adam) mother of our salvation Lk 2:30 and cos she consented to our salvation! Lk 1:38
Perpetual Virgin Isa 7:14 matt 1:21
Lk 1:31-34
Spiritual Mother Jn 19:26-27 rev 12:17
Mother of the creator is mother of all creation!
Mother of the Redeemer is the mother of all the redeemed!
Mother of our Savior is the mother of all those who obtain salvation!
Lk 1:30
ALL GENERATIONS (Christians) SHALL CALL ME BLESSED!
Lk 1:48 For he hath regarded the low estate of his handmaiden: for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.
Scripture expects Christians to call Mary blessed!
To do so would be to honor Mary!
To do so is to praise Mary!
To do so is to venerate Mary!
All Christians must say with the angels; “Hail Mary” ever blessed!
Praise of Mary and the saints redounds to the glory of God and Christ, cos Mary and the saints are what God made them, it is His handiwork (Lk 1:49 Lk 1:28) and the graces they have come from the merits of Christ’s passion and death.
Likewise an Attack on Mary and the saints, or the authority of the apostles or the church or rejection of such doctrines is and attack on God and on Christ!
Only fundamentalists and heretics violate scripture and call Mary sinner!
But it’s not Peter and the apostles on their own or by their nature, there are united to Christ and grace Jn 1:16-17 Jn 15:5 and guided the HS and angels acts 8
I never said to worship any but Hod alone! And how can you possibly worship God? You have no means to do so!
I have study the history of the church thru all the ages, not ashamed of the gospel the church has preached for 2000 years or the actions of holy mother church wielding the two edge sword of truth, on the one side declaring and proclaiming the truth on the other condemning all errors!
Truth must be revealed by God thru Christ to His church (the apostles Jude 1:3) then must be proposed by the church, (Matt 28:19 gal 3:23) without error by the Holy Spirit! (Jn 16:13)
Christ and His church are one! (Acts 9:4 eph 5:31 Jn 15:1-5)
The evidence of true faith is humble subjection and obedience to Christ & His holy church!
The rule of faith for Christians is Jesus Christ Jn 14:6 and His church! Matt 18:17 acts 2:42 1 Tim 3:15
True Christians cannot listen to the errors of excommunicated heretics, but we listen faithfully to Christ, in the bosom of holy mother church, the only ark of salvation!
1 pet 3:20-21 matt 18:17 matt 16:18-19 matt 28:19-20 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-23
2 Thessalonians 1:8
In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
Dorothy Mae
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Scary… I’m glad they no longer persecute bible owners in flaming fire!
The new covenant is catholic
The doctrine of Christ is catholic
God initiated each covenant and the mediator always remains on earth mediating the covenant except for Christ who made Peter His personal representative and vicar! (Matt 16:18-19) with the keys of jurisdictional authority over the kingdom or new covenant church!
Adam
(Marriage covenant)
Noah
(Family covenant)
Abraham
(Tribal covenant)
Moses:
(National covenant)
Jesus Christ:
(Universal covenant)
New and eternal covenant founded by Jesus Christ! Matt 16:18
Universal (Catholic)
World universal
Lk 2:10 And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people. ( catholic universal) All men!
Lk 2:31 prepared before the face of all (catholic) people. All men!
Jn 1:29 lamb of God who takes way the sins of the world. All men!
Jn 3:16 for God so loved the world
1 Jn 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. All men!
Lk 2: 10 And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people. All men!
11 For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord. (All people universal) All men!
1 Tim 2:5 one mediator
Jn 10:16 One new covenant church
Only Jesus Christ has authority to found the church on Peter and the apostles! Matt 16:18-19 Matt 18:18
Jn 20:21 eph 2:20
All others are heretical sects the tradition of men!
Christ is king and established a kingdom!
Obedience to the apostles who have the jurisdictional authority to govern the church and administer the kingdom is obedience to Christ!
Jesus Christ extends his mission, power, and authority to His church of His apostles! The apostles have the same mission, ministry, power, and authority as Christ! Jn 20:21 as the father sent me, so I send you!
Even His judging!
Matt 19:28 and 1 cor 6:2
His teaching authority!
Matt 28:19 and Jn 20:21
His power to forgive sins!
Jn 20:23
His being the light of the world!
Matt 5:14
His ministry of reconciliation!
2 cor 5:18
His authority in governing the church and administering the kingdom!
Matt 16:18-19 & 18:18 Jn 21:17
Lk 22:29
Apart from me you can do nothing. Jn 15:5
Acts 2:42 doctrine of the apostles!
So the church is subject to Christ!
Eph 5:24
Christ shares His glory! 2 thes 1:10 rev 12:1
The pillar and foundation of TRUTH!
1 Tim 3:15
The TWO EDGE SWORD!
To proclaim the truth! Matt 28:19
To condemn error! 1 cor 16:22
Jesus Christ founded the new covenant church for the salvation of all men! (Jn 1:16-17) Christ is the truth! (Jn 14:6) Christ and his church are one!
(Acts 9;4 eph 5:32)
The church is the pillar of truth
(1 Tim 3:15) that must teach all men (Matt 28:19) without error guided by the Holy Spirit
(Jn 16:13) Thru the grace of God in the sanctification of souls applied in the seven sacraments!
Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Matt 18:17 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 acts 9:4 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20 acts 2:42
1 Tim 3:15
It’s all good, you welcome here
Baptismal regeneration a new creation in Christ! 2 Cor 5:17
A sacrament is an oath! A sacred promise from God! Ez 36:25-27
Acts 2:38-39 (this promise)
No baptism no grace!
A sacrament is an outward sign for all men including infants And a gift from God to help us see what he does inwardly and invisibly by his grace!
As grace Washes our souls in the merits of Jesus blood from original and personal sin, so the outward action of washing is visible!
without the outward action the inward action cannot take place!
Jn 3:5 Titus 3:5 water and washing
acts 22:16 wash away your sin!
Jn 3:5 Born again BY water and the spirit! Not by “faith alone”!
They did not go to Jerusalem and preach “accept Christ as you’re personal Lord and savior “
They went to the river (water) and they baptized! Jn 3:22
A covenant requires an outward sign of the inward action of grace!
Ez 36:25 I will sprinkle you with clean water and you shall be made white as snow.
Acts 22:16 washing away your sins.
Eph 4:5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism.
1 pet 3:21 baptism saves you.
You cannot enter on you’re own or by faith alone!
2 pet 1: 11 For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
The biblical mandate of God’s work of creation!
Water and the spirit!
First creation:
Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. 2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
(water and the spirit)
Noah:
Gen 8:8 Also he sent forth a dove (representing the spirit) from him…
(Water and the spirit)
Red Sea:
Led thru the waters by the spirit.
Exodus 13:21
And the Lord went before them by day in a pillar of a cloud, to lead them the way; and by night in a pillar of fire, to give them light; to go by day and night:
(Water and the spirit)
Josuha
Joshua and the people of Israel crossing of the Jordan led by the spirit.
Joshua 1:1 Now after the death of Moses the servant of the Lord it came to pass, that the Lord spake unto Joshua the son of Nun, Moses’ minister, saying, 2 Moses my servant is dead; now therefore arise, go over this Jordan, thou, and all this people, unto the land which I do give to them, even to the children of Israel.
(Water and the spirit)
Prophecy of the new creation: (new covenant)
Ez 36:25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you. 26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. 27 And I will put my spirit within you…
acts 2:38-39 “this promise”
(Water and the Spirit)
Baptism of Jesus
Jn 1:31 I come baptizing with water. 32 And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him.
(Water and the spirit)
New creation by water and the spirit
Jn 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
(Water and the spirit)
Christian sacrament of baptismal regeneration is by: WATER AND THE SPIRIT!
No one is born again by:
“the spirit alone”!
Or
“Faith alone”!
Water AND the spirit is the biblical mandate!
Hope this helps or you can always ask me anything
How do we obtain mercy?
Then why do you insist on saying it’s “faith alone”?
We don’t need to be actually righteous by the grace of God?
Do you suppose it’s unjust to do so?
And it’s not bible owners or publisher of non Latin or approved versions but heretics who refuse to stop spreading their errors!
And it’s the duty of the state not the church!
You have to understand we’re speaking of small closed Christian kingdoms and teachers and teachings contrary to the revealed truth were proscribed and their adherents banished from the realm!
You can ask me anything
Then why do you need to increase you’re faith? Is not one act of faith enough to save? why more grace?
Why abide in Christ? Why resist sin?
Why worry about when the master shall return as the real gospel says?
How do we obtain mercy?
Jethro Bodine
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That's what cults do to control their people.
Jethro Bodine
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Water baptism is only one of many, many obediences that the believer in God is expected to walk in. But NONE of them MAKES a person righteous. Only the forgiveness of God and the giving of the Holy Spirit does that.