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Thinking of changing your opinion? ... (giggle ... j/k)Locking thread for further review .
Thats funny.Thinking of changing your opinion? ... (giggle ... j/k)
Let me ask you this .Indeed , but when did God first start loving us ?
Before the foundations of the world, when He elected (chose) us.Indeed , but when did God first start loving us ?
Definition: Love (agape) = goodwill, benevolence, favor, and willful delight in the object of love.Indeed , but when did God first start loving us ?
We are created beings , we had a start .God is eternal and unchanging. He never "started" loving us (where "us" = the elect), He always loved (favored) the elect
All sins originated from Adam, and ever increasing like entropy. As long as one is born in this sinful world, one is born in sin, doesn’t matter whether it’s their own or inherited from their parents, see Jn. 9:1-3. What matters is the choice of salvation and the repentance of sins, which lead to the second birth.Who has said there is no sin? I haven't.
Already asked and answered.
Irrelevant. The question was:We are created beings , we had a start .
Note the subject is God in the question. God did not have a start; I could give you a verse but I assume you know that. His knowledge of each of us did not have a start; I could give you a verse but I assume you know that.when did God first start loving us ?
God is eternal and unchanging. He never "started" loving us
How did you get that trust (belief)?
Why is that an issue?
I am not an educated man and can not articulate my thoughts properly like others on this forum.
If it was not an issue for you, you would not bring it up.Where does anyone obtain the capacity to believe, or have faith, in anything? From our Creator, of course. But our exercise of that capacity to believe and trust is ours to determine.
Because it means that all you must do on your end is cut-and-paste - no thinking, no writing, no explaining yourself, just posting the work of others. If this is how you want to have a "discussion," why shouldn't those to whom you're just offering cut-and-paste replies do the same? Seems reasonable to me...
Well, in the realms of more arcane doctrinal questions, neither was I when I first started to engage in online discussions. But I learned. And so can you.
By the way, it isn't an "issue for me" that you're an uneducated man. The issue I have with you just cutting and pasting stuff is what I've described above.
My question , guilty as charged .Irrelevant. The question was:
No arguments from me on that .Note the subject is God in the question. God did not have a start; I could give you a verse but I assume you know that.
Are we created beings yes or no ?His knowledge of each of us did not have a start; I could give you a verse but I assume you know that.
If it was not an issue for you, you would not bring it up.
I have learned much from theologians from past to present. The copy and paste support my beliefs and are written better than I can achieve.
Would you say this to Theologians an Pastors who quote others in sermons and their commentaries to prove a point or explain things better?
If you do not like my threads or posts you do not have to reply to them.
I do not have the grammar skills to articulate my thoughts on paper as most people.
I do not poit our if people copy and paste or their grammar.It seems to me it's more an issue for you than me. Originally, I made a single comment about cutting-and-pasting stuff but you've gone on about it rather a lot. Why is that?
If you've learned well from them, this is demonstrated, at least in part, by being able to communicate their teaching clearly in your own words.
When those to whom you're just cutting-and-pasting stuff offer their own thoughts and words, it takes them a good deal longer to do so than it takes you to respond by quotation. Surely, you can see how lopsided in terms of effort this makes the discussion. Where it takes the one who is speaking for themselves perhaps an hour or more to form a post from their own thoughts and with their own words, the cut-and-paster just dumps a series of quotations into a post in two or three minutes (or less). Inevitably, this lopsidedness in effort stifles discussion. Perhaps this is your goal, though...
I actually have. I served for a decade as an Elder/Pastor and so, had this very discussion with the Senior Pastor a couple of times. He would regularly quote extra-biblical sources in making points in his sermons rather than allow Scripture to explain itself. His sermons were often filled with empty slogans and catch-phrases and the ideas of popular "Christian leaders" rather than with his own careful exegesis of God's word. In this sort of preaching, he was setting a very poor example for his congregation in how to handle Scripture well.
??? Yes, I know. Do you think I've made the effort that I have to post in this thread because I didn't like the thread? That's an...odd conclusion to come to...
I've not noticed a particularly poor grasp of grammar or words in your posts. Really, it seems to me, you use the excuse of being "uneducated" in order to justify your cutting-and-pasting, not because you can't express yourself well.
Regardless, if you want to cut-and-paste in reply to folks, well, its a free internet (mostly) so you can do as you like - just don't object when others do the same in response to your cutting-and-pasting.
I actually have. I served for a decade as an Elder/Pastor and so, had this very discussion with the Senior Pastor a couple of times. He would regularly quote extra-biblical sources in making points in his sermons rather than allow Scripture to explain itself. His sermons were often filled with empty slogans and catch-phrases and the ideas of popular "Christian leaders" rather than with his own careful exegesis of God's word. In this sort of preaching, he was setting a very poor example for his congregation in how to handle Scripture well.
Premise 1: God does not change (James 1:17; Malachi 3:6a For I the Lord do not change; Psalm 102:27 But you remain the same; Job 23:13 But He is unchangeable, and who can turn Him?, etc. )Yes sir I would like that verse please sir .
You are a created being and your desires and everything about you was created. You cannot pick your desires. But, assuming you could pick your desires, when did you do so and what was the cause for you to desire "X" and not "Y".But our exercise of that capacity to believe and trust is ours to determine.
I do not poit our if people copy and paste or their grammar.
Of course you make many assumptions about me.
So you are an authority, great.
Other members have not complained about my posts, except those that do not read any extra Biblical materials.
I will let you have the last word becuae you seem to do that in every thread that rubs you the wrong way.
So after this post have at it.
Are we created beings yes or no ?
He knows the person from the person's creation
I think I am wasting time.
Praise God !I'm done.
You are a created being and your desires and everything about you was created.
You cannot pick your desires.
But, assuming you could pick your desires, when did you do so and what was the cause for you to desire "X" and not "Y".
God is the first cause of all things ...
you can't create your self-determined desires out of nothing for from nothing nothing comes and you were nothing at one time.